Cluster Swap Immo Solution?

[skdone]

I'm in the middle of a cluster swap. I grabbed a great used one from an old B6 I stripped for parts awhile back and the cluster on my daily driver has been on its way out for quite sometime now. Seeing as I don't have SKC pins for either immo, has anyone physically swapped the immobilizer chip on the cluster? Ive seen videos where people have done chip swaps on used ecm's and had no issues. In theory it should work if I do an immo chip swap on the cluster, no?

[rollerton]

It wont work on the B6. At least I don't think so, kind of hard to explain, but the B6 IMMO encryption is unique to each cluster. Never heard of anyone being able to swap the chip on an Rb4 cluster..especially since it's pretty easy to pull SKC's these days.


https://sites.google.com/site/imnuts/

[skdone]

It wont work on the B6. At least I don't think so, kind of hard to explain, but the B6 IMMO encryption is unique to each cluster. Never heard of anyone being able to swap the chip on an Rb4 cluster..especially since it's pretty easy to pull SKC's these days.


https://sites.google.com/site/imnuts/

Thanks for the quick response. I had someone tell me he's done tons of them that way, but before I start soldering on my cluster I HAD to get another opinion.

[EuroxS4]

I believe it could still be done.As the 95040 chip stores the immobilizer code.With some very simple software and and a ftdi cable you can adapt the cluster or turn off immobilizer if you wish.You can also read the skc and adapter the cluster your need.Piece of cake.


Only thing that matters is that you have the correct cluster for the car.2002 color screen cluster will not work in a 2003-2005 B6 a4.

[visabroke]

Will a s4 cluster work in a 2003 a4? and if so whats the easiest way to code it in?

[eljay]

Will a s4 cluster work in a 2003 a4? and if so whats the easiest way to code it in?

All the info you need: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...retrieve-SKC-s

[skdone]

I believe it could still be done.As the 95040 chip stores the immobilizer code.With some very simple software and and a ftdi cable you can adapt the cluster or turn off immobilizer if you wish.You can also read the skc and adapter the cluster your need.Piece of cake.


Only thing that matters is that you have the correct cluster for the car.2002 color screen cluster will not work in a 2003-2005 B6 a4.

I'm swapping exact clusters from an '02 to an '02. The only difference is one was a 3.0 and one is a 1.8t which I don't think should matter. Also, I was told the immo was an 8 leg chip on the front (gauge side) of the cluster circuit board starting with 24C08 not 95040.

[skdone]

Where can I find a legit version of Vag Commander? Or for that matter, any other program that would extract my SKC code(s)?

[EuroxS4]

I'm swapping exact clusters from an '02 to an '02. The only difference is one was a 3.0 and one is a 1.8t which I don't think should matter. Also, I was told the immo was an 8 leg chip on the front (gauge side) of the cluster circuit board starting with 24C08 not 95040.

It is possible that it has 24c08,but it really depends on the cluster. I dont think youor should have any issues with the cluster.You will need to recode it probably.Otherwise the tach might be off because its looking for 2 more pulses of a 6 cylinder instead of the 4 its got.So a recode should take care of that I believe.I would not use vag can commander as you can easily damage the cluster if you dont know what you are doing. But if thats your choice of software im sure you can find a copy on nefmoto.com I think a better solution might be vag eeprom programmer.You still have to be careful.But the good thing is you can backup the flash for the cluster once its in decrypted mode.So if anything ever goes wrong you can just flash back and try again.

[EuroxS4]

Will a s4 cluster work in a 2003 a4? and if so whats the easiest way to code it in?

code it meaning set the correct coding to the vehicle in regards to engine and transmission?Or code it as in adapt the cluster to the car???Either way vcds is the best way in my opinion if you have both skc codes for original and new(used) clusters.

[skdone]

I believe it could still be done.As the 95040 chip stores the immobilizer code.With some very simple software and and a ftdi cable you can adapt the cluster or turn off immobilizer if you wish.You can also read the skc and adapter the cluster your need.Piece of cake.


Only thing that matters is that you have the correct cluster for the car.2002 color screen cluster will not work in a 2003-2005 B6 a4.

It is possible that it has 24c08,but it really depends on the cluster. I dont think youor should have any issues with the cluster.You will need to recode it probably.Otherwise the tach might be off because its looking for 2 more pulses of a 6 cylinder instead of the 4 its got.So a recode should take care of that I believe.I would not use vag can commander as you can easily damage the cluster if you dont know what you are doing. But if thats your choice of software im sure you can find a copy on nefmoto.com I think a better solution might be vag eeprom programmer.You still have to be careful.But the good thing is you can backup the flash for the cluster once its in decrypted mode.So if anything ever goes wrong you can just flash back and try again.

So just to be clear, you don't think I can just physically swap the chips a without hooking it up to a FTDI? The tachometer adjustment makes sense, but wouldn't I be able to edit those settings via VCDS once I figure "unlock" the immo?

[EuroxS4]

Yes coding could be done via VCDS before or after immo procedure.Personally I think its less of a head ache to pull skc from both clusters and adapt via vcds rather than take the cluster apart to swap the chip.More tedious and more.Where a cluster swap and read is literally just minutes.

Personally swapping the chip is possible but wether it will work in the other cluster no one knows.Each RB4 cypto mask in the cluster is a little different.It would be more time efficient to read both skc's and adapter cluster rather than disassemble.

[diagnosticator]

I have installed an S4 cluster in my 1.8T Avant. The tach uses CAN message packets for RPM from the ECU. Coding is important but it does not use impulses according to the number of cylinders. My S4 cluster was virginized, then I used VCDS to adapt the "new" cluster to my A4.

[visabroke]

code it meaning set the correct coding to the vehicle in regards to engine and transmission?Or code it as in adapt the cluster to the car???Either way vcds is the best way in my opinion if you have both skc codes for original and new(used) clusters.

Yes its going from a s4 (not sure what transmission as it came off ebay) to a 3.0 auto. I will have a look at the links that was posted up earlier and have a read up. I'm not in any major hurry to do the swap and would prefer to avoid downtime with the car. I unfortunately don't have the skc for the used cluster unless i'm fine getting that when its plugged into my car?

Thanks guys for your help its appreciated.

I was trying to find a thread on either here or vwvortex might have been the other site of a dolphin gray v6 auto b6 the owner converted over to an s4 rep and was switching between the stock s4 bumper/usp bumper but no matter how I try I can't find it, shame as that was a very interesting read. I can't even find it in my history on my computer as it doesn't go back that far after a fresh install.

[EuroxS4]

Yes its going from a s4 (not sure what transmission as it came off ebay) to a 3.0 auto. I will have a look at the links that was posted up earlier and have a read up. I'm not in any major hurry to do the swap and would prefer to avoid downtime with the car. I unfortunately don't have the skc for the used cluster unless i'm fine getting that when its plugged into my car?

Thanks guys for your help its appreciated.

I was trying to find a thread on either here or vwvortex might have been the other site of a dolphin gray v6 auto b6 the owner converted over to an s4 rep and was switching between the stock s4 bumper/usp bumper but no matter how I try I can't find it, shame as that was a very interesting read. I can't even find it in my history on my computer as it doesn't go back that far after a fresh install.

Yes your good there.When your ready to do the swap.If you have software and a cable.Hook up through obdII.Set cluster to new mode using software.Read decrypted cluster.Save decrypted cluster,skc will be shown.Then remove and install your used cluster.Perform the same procedure.Now you have both skc's and can adapt the used cluster to vehicle using vcds and both skc's.