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    Looking for current reviews on coilovers out there. Currently looking at ST's, vogtland, and h&r street. Do ST's still clunk? I heard a while back they did. Looking for soft/stiff ride. How do you guys like yours?


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    pretty sure there are like 500+ threads on this already
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiTechS4 View Post
    pretty sure there are like 500+ threads on this already
    Yeah there is, I've gone through them looking for what people have to say today.


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    Why not just go to Banchwerks in Providence and talk to Theo and Jesse since the threads here are uninformative for you ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by moyenecorniche View Post
    Why not just go to Banchwerks in Providence and talk to Theo and Jesse since the threads here are uninformative for you ..
    Might take a stop by thanks.


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    Here is what i found in .46 seconds.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...and-lil-review
    http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818269
    https://cleanaudi.com/2013/04/30/vog...ilover-review/
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...initial-review
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...land-Coilovers

    https://cleanaudi.com/2014/02/05/st-coilover-review/

    And for what its worth, I have run and tested STs, Solocraps, Vogtlands, H&R and Koni's as well as the Stasis track sports. Also reviewed V2s and V3s on BMWs. My advice to you, if you have a grand to spend is vogtlands hands down. They were by far the best entry level coilover I have run. Loved those things and will most likely be replacing the solowerks with them in the near future.

    Sts are a great product, but had problems with binding when the car was slammed to the ground. Have had no problems on my A6, but its also a conservative drop. Also STs are the closest to factory spring rates, meaning they are the softest of the bunch. Good for maintaining factory rife quality, not good for people looking to get hard. Yeah, i said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrillBlackb5S4 View Post
    Might take a stop by thanks.


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    I was being sarcastic since the info is here on A-zine, but you do have to search a bit once the basic threads pull up ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by moyenecorniche View Post
    I was being sarcastic since the info is here on A-zine, but you do have to search a bit once the basic threads pull up ..
    I was being sarcastic too lmao, and I went with St's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrillBlackb5S4 View Post
    I was being sarcastic too lmao, and I went with St's.
    Do you want the softness? Or are you looking for more performance?
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    Not the op. But I look for oem ride quality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoon009 View Post
    Do you want the softness? Or are you looking for more performance?
    I am looking for a little of both, more of street performance. Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrillBlackb5S4 View Post
    I am looking for a little of both, more of street performance. Thanks


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    If it's not too late you may want to consider canceling your order on St and go with the vogtlands instead. If you use the normal ones and not the GT3 kit I think you'll be much happier with that balance having had both

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoon009 View Post
    If it's not too late you may want to consider canceling your order on St and go with the vogtlands instead. If you use the normal ones and not the GT3 kit I think you'll be much happier with that balance having had both

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    Ok thanks a lot, I will do that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoon009 View Post
    If it's not too late you may want to consider canceling your order on St and go with the vogtlands instead. If you use the normal ones and not the GT3 kit I think you'll be much happier with that balance having had both

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    Does the GT3 kit really make that much of an improvement over the normal set? I k ow they have stiffer springs, but I've never seen info on exactly how much stiffer they are. What would the GT3s compare to?

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    I had Tein coilovers on my B5 and they had a lot of miles and still worked great, but if your really trying to improve handling get a rear sway bar with the brackets and end links

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    Quote Originally Posted by GKTS4 View Post
    Does the GT3 kit really make that much of an improvement over the normal set? I k ow they have stiffer springs, but I've never seen info on exactly how much stiffer they are. What would the GT3s compare to?
    The GT3 kit swaps the rear springs for stiffer ones, I think it's aprrox 650 working rate. it makes a huge difference when paired with a RSB, the shocks are also adjusted for the stiffer springs. Overall the GT3 kit supposedly competes with the Bilstein PSS kit, without offering the adjustable damping. I will say the the difference between the non gt3 kit and the gt3 is noticeable, especially when it comes to retaining ride quality on crappy roads. While both offer good ride quality, the non gt3 is definitely more street friendly.

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    After reading this and checking into the Gt3s. I am certainly making the change when my STs go bad. I also second the ST review they ride very comfortably on my s4, great for carting the family around, they are not the least bit rough. But I am not slammed either, I have no fender gap and am running 225s on 8.5x18s.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoon009 View Post
    The GT3 kit swaps the rear springs for stiffer ones, I think it's aprrox 650 working rate. it makes a huge difference when paired with a RSB, the shocks are also adjusted for the stiffer springs. Overall the GT3 kit supposedly competes with the Bilstein PSS kit, without offering the adjustable damping. I will say the the difference between the non gt3 kit and the gt3 is noticeable, especially when it comes to retaining ride quality on crappy roads. While both offer good ride quality, the non gt3 is definitely more street friendly.

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    Thanks for the input. It's funny you mentioned the Bilsteins, I'm looking to get rid of my current coilovers and have been going back and forth between the PSS9s and the GT3s. The pricing of the vogtlands is a big bonus for sure.

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    Glad some other people got information out of this thread. I will be buying vogtland regular ones within the next couple of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrillBlackb5S4 View Post
    Glad some other people got information out of this thread. I will be buying vogtland regular ones within the next couple of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GKTS4 View Post
    Thanks for the input. It's funny you mentioned the Bilsteins, I'm looking to get rid of my current coilovers and have been going back and forth between the PSS9s and the GT3s. The pricing of the vogtlands is a big bonus for sure.
    Yeah the Vogtlands are definitely a great option for street and mild track use. And it's hard to argue with the price for sure. Something else to consider though is that they are fixed damping. I have never personally compared GT3 to the Bilsteins but I have talked about it a few friends and colleagues. I here alot of good things about the Bilsteins but I did have a friend who tracks his car regularly tell me he likes them, but he found the adjustable damping on them to be a bit basic. His one complaint what that the damper was not as responsive as he wanted. Basically he said that the only real difference he could feel was between 1 and 9 and everything in the middle was sort of lost. So he would drive the car at 1, and turn it up to 9 at the track. Even so, I personally feel like the best fixed setup still won't be as responsive as a basic adjustable setup. I think what it comes down to is how you use the car. If PSS are the best of both worlds, and you have the money then go for it. But if your S4 is not your daily, then mby the GT3s are the right choice and you can put that money saved into other mods. I know there are guys on here that daily there cars with GT3s, maybe they can chime in on what it's like. Hope that helps you

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    Quote Originally Posted by GKTS4 View Post
    Thanks for the input. It's funny you mentioned the Bilsteins, I'm looking to get rid of my current coilovers and have been going back and forth between the PSS9s and the GT3s. The pricing of the vogtlands is a big bonus for sure.
    Also, not to make your life any harder, but at the PSS price point, have you considered these: https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B5_S4...ers/ES2215014/

    KW makes some amazing stuff. Their V2 kit is worth a look if you are considering PSS.

    Forgot to add - General consensus is that PSS9s are better fro track, V2s are better for ride quality overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoon009 View Post
    Also, not to make your life any harder, but at the PSS price point, have you considered these: https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B5_S4...ers/ES2215014/

    KW makes some amazing stuff. Their V2 kit is worth a look if you are considering PSS.

    Forgot to add - General consensus is that PSS9s are better fro track, V2s are better for ride quality overall.
    Lots of good information on your last post. I definitely considered the V2s as well, was kind of writing them off because I heard adjusting the damping was kind of a pain to get to compared to the bilsteins.

    I hadn't heard about the difference in settings being vague on them, that raises some concern. Honestly my car doesn't really get to the track at all only street use and some moderately aggressive mountain driving, so I don't need the most ridiculous set up for that, nor is it my daily driver, so I would likely be just fine with an aggressively damped fixed set up. And if I'm honest with myself, once I get a setting I like I probably won't ever go in to adjust it. So I should probably just opt for the gt3s and save some money over both the pss and the v2s.

    This thread is pretty helpful so far. Thanks for all the information.

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    OP,
    I have had both on my B5. Not the Vogland GT3, but the Original Vogland GTs. Let me know if you want some insight, Cause I could ramble on

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    I've had STs that clunked, STs that didn't clunk and rode okay, and GT3s that clunked.

    When the GT3s didn't clunk (about 1 week) I was extremely pleased for the price point. Unfortunately they are of no help in replacing them under warranty, so I will be switching to a Bilstein B12 cup kit as the car is just a slow daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathKing View Post
    I've had STs that clunked, STs that didn't clunk and rode okay, and GT3s that clunked.

    When the GT3s didn't clunk (about 1 week) I was extremely pleased for the price point. Unfortunately they are of no help in replacing them under warranty, so I will be switching to a Bilstein B12 cup kit as the car is just a slow daily.
    I bought the regular vogtland ones ,and used rear shock towers with no rust. Good to know though thanks.


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    Nice, let us know how you like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathKing View Post
    Nice, let us know how you like them.
    I will ,doing 034,street motor, trans, and snub mount w/ bracket. Along with all front 034 controls arms. Should feel a lot different after all that.


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    So what's recommended for the all out mountain racers ? Ohlins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awd2ks4 View Post
    So what's recommended for the all out mountain racers ? Ohlins?
    The rich ones? Or the poor ones? Lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by awd2ks4 View Post
    So what's recommended for the all out mountain racers ? Ohlins?
    Mountain racing like how? Tarmac, dirt and gravel or both? If you are building a serious pikes peak type car, you would absolutely benefit from an adjustable damping system.
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    So you're asking people their opinions on suspension, you will get nothing but opinion - many of which will be uneducated. This is the same as all the prior forum posts, so stop wasting people's time. You're gaining absolutely nothing by asking this question nor reading forum posts about it. Sorry, that's just how it is.

    Now occassionally you'll get a post like Cgoon's where he's tried all the crapper suspensions under the sun. Now you can take his recommendation, or like me, you'll wonder: what exactly makes them better? Is it handling? ride quality? customer experience? Longevity? Now how good is he at measuring this stuff? Suspension is a dark art, especially when manufacturers hide their shock dynos.

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    If I were you, I'd be PMing guys like Cgoon to ask him questions, or grab a tuner that's tried a bunch (beware many tuners and especially their sales reps have no friggen clue).
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    Quote Originally Posted by awd2ks4 View Post
    So what's recommended for the all out mountain racers ? Ohlins?
    so having tried many in the mountains I'll tell you: all my buddies have ended up on ohlins before they were satisfied. There's plenty of others that provide handling benefits, or ridequality benefits, and there's competitors like penske (and i forget the newer/cheaper one) that are just as good. There's tradeoffs to all of them, and at the end of the day, you need to play with spring rates and adjust your struts before you get it right for your intended use. Why do Ohlins get such uninamously good reviews? Cause they've been tested, the settings are readily available, and you basically drop them in and smile.

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    oh, cgoon, btw those pss9s were tested on a shock dyno (and rumor is they fixed it in a later version) and were proven to only have 2 settings. the 7 other clicks didn't do anything at all whatsoever.

    the guy whose shock dyno was used developed his own kit because for track use he determined the PSS9s were garbage. But this was like 10 years ago, I'd hope they'd made some revisions.

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    If you want to have any clue what you're buying, you need to collect shock dynos. There's really no other way. There's spring rates, high speed and low speed compression and rebound; then there's a whole curve on how those things interrelate. A rally suspension has a completely different curve for dirt versus tarmac (there's wrc tech videos that might give you a good overview) -- and both of them are nowhere near your standard $1000 coilover because they are 1) cheap 2) hybridized for daily driving

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    Final piece: I've won autocrosses on H&R street coilovers. There are comprimises made, they porpose over bumps, aren't ideal for either street or track, don't react well to high-speed bumps and allow the car to roll too much because the soft low-speed compression. So in order to fix the soft low-speed compression, you sacrifice it feeling like it has no suspension in the parking lot. So for your intended use, I probably wouldn't sweat it too much and whatever you settle on just know you're picking a point of comprimise.

    Also the binding thing he mentioned, the progressive rate springs tend to have that spherical shape (they stick out further). My H&Rs rubbed/bound a bit on the control arms too. Didn't happen much, but they were actually worn into pretty good (paint removed and dented/scraped away). This includes catching air and high speed bumps around corners, so it isn't from driving around town to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james 408 View Post
    so having tried many in the mountains I'll tell you: all my buddies have ended up on ohlins before they were satisfied. There's plenty of others that provide handling benefits, or ridequality benefits, and there's competitors like penske (and i forget the newer/cheaper one) that are just as good. There's tradeoffs to all of them, and at the end of the day, you need to play with spring rates and adjust your struts before you get it right for your intended use. Why do Ohlins get such uninamously good reviews? Cause they've been tested, the settings are readily available, and you basically drop them in and smile.
    I was wondering when you would chime in on the hill climb question, you are on PSI/Ohlins as well correct? I don't do hill climbs, yet, but I am not surprised at the fact that most guys opt for Ohlins. I will be using Ohlins for the track car I am currently building. I agree with you on most of what you said, and having tested most of the "regular" coilover systems out there by using them, I know what you mean when you say compromise. In terms of what I look for, I am talking mainly about handling (Very basically) and ride quality. I am careful to qualify my opinions as well because without truly testing them, its impossible to say what the best may be. There are also too many variables to really compare these systems directly to each other, for example ST and Vogtlands are both decent coilovers for under 1k and fixed damping, but they do very different things when on a car. But from a basic stand point we can figure out what the best compromise may be for some looking to lower there car and get rid of some sloppiness.

    I currently run Koni adjustable on my VW daily. (Like them alot), Stasis TrackSports on my Sedan (Changing to PSI/Ohlins) and I will most likely go with Vogtlands for my wagon - its a cruiser. Also fwiw, Ohlins, although amazingly good are not the only option for us. Take a look at MCS, they are not cheap but have a proven track record. (Monotube design with 3 way adjusablity)
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