TD1 on a lease

[treejs4]

Does anyone know what happens if you get TD1'd on a lease? For example, if I get flagged will I have to pay a penalty at the end of me lease or anything?

Only reasons I ask is Bc I've been tuned for a while now and normally do all work myself on the car but now I'm getting some electrical gremlins show up and a misfire I can't track down so I'd like to take it to the dealer. I have a bunch of friends that work there but know that it's not up to them whether I get flagged or not.

[lochs]

If your car gets TD1 you will loose the full warranty on the car


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[mintytoo]

Does anyone know what happens if you get TD1'd on a lease? For example, if I get flagged will I have to pay a penalty at the end of me lease or anything?

Only reasons I ask is Bc I've been tuned for a while now and normally do all work myself on the car but now I'm getting some electrical gremlins show up and a misfire I can't track down so I'd like to take it to the dealer. I have a bunch of friends that work there but know that it's not up to them whether I get flagged or not.

I think hes asking about end of lease penalty

[GRUMPY-S4]

Just flash back to stock


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[treejs4]

I think hes asking about end of lease penalty

Yes, that's exactly what I was curious about

[osspasha]

some info here
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ght=tune+lease

[Thurston]

I'd imagine the best kind of td1 is a td1 while on a lease. Also, it's not the end of the world, they won't deny your every claim as td1 they just have more leverage in proving that the increased air or fuel led to whatever issue you came in for.. Will that extend to a water pump or a control arm? I don't see how it could. At least that's my understanding but each dealer is a little different.

[doug97gxe]

they can either take the car back with TD1 and then resell it like that or they can charge you to "UN-TD1" the car

[Albertaoil]

If your car gets TD1 you will loose the full warranty on the car


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I got TD1'd and they still good willed my sensor in my transmission.

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[S4Flyer]

If you trashed the interior of the car, ripped the seats, had the car wrapped, changed out the rims, etc, the dealership would charge you to have the car put back into good order at lease return. Likely the same would apply to removing tunes, if detected

What would be sketchy is if you blew up a motor and they found the tune. Whether related to the tune or not, they'd have an out, and could try to stick you for the repairs.

[d.p]

Better question is who leases an Audi? Audi lease deals are the worst.

[bayonet14]

Are you in a opened lease? So at the end you can return the car....but your dealer will want the car OEM as the day you took delivery - anything you did must be reversed...if say you installed a honeycomb grill, you would re-install the stock. Depending on the dealer, say you turn it in w/the aftermarket grill - you sold the original OEM grill - the dealer could
A: Say it cool... and you move on
B: Say not cool - do you have the original grill? If not, and you still desire to turn in the car they will order a OEM grill and charge you for the part and labor to bring the car back to OEM specs...i.e they want to re-sell the car as certified pre-owned

If your Audi of N. America is cool - they will work/w you...bottom line they want to maintain your loyalty and loyalty to Audi brand - and of-course sell you another car ;) - so de-tune and return the car to stock as much as possible to marginalize what YOU may have done to the lease vehicle while in your possession/ownership...either way you pay to play my friend - and no need to burn a dealership that is willing to work w/you

[amz]

I'd imagine the best kind of td1 is a td1 while on a lease. Also, it's not the end of the world, they won't deny your every claim as td1 they just have more leverage in proving that the increased air or fuel led to whatever issue you came in for.. Will that extend to a water pump or a control arm? I don't see how it could. At least that's my understanding but each dealer is a little different.

A buddy of mine was stage 2 on his A4. Audi denied a wheel bearing at 76,000km because he was TD1...

[treejs4]

Thank you guys for the help! I knew I had to put it back to 100% stock at lease end, I was just curious what the would do if I got td1 in the mean time.

[mitko]

Just flash the tune back to stock each time before bringing it in, takes about 15 min. I have Unitronic stage 2 as well and took it in twice for warranty work and didnt get TD1'd after flashing to stock each time.

[Thurston]

A buddy of mine was stage 2 on his A4. Audi denied a wheel bearing at 76,000km because he was TD1...

that is a good point to take note of and I don't want to mislead anyone. I do know members on here that have been asked to return the car to stock in order to warranty a sport diff. and other items for other cars sometimes not having to return to stock also others that are hung out to dry. If you get a td1 I think it puts you in position where you have to rely on either the dealer and or audi of america or w/e countries good graces and that rarely goes good. I'd think that with a lease, at least you could get out quickly if you fear imminent catastrophe after being td1'd. I would like to know if there is a charge to reverse that?

[Dr GP]

Better question is who leases an Audi? Audi lease deals are the worst.

I've leased 4. On 3 of them, I had equity at end of lease which means I did not turn the car back to AFS at lease end. One I bought and resold at a $3k profit. Another, I traded in on a new S4 and had $6k which i could have easily just put back in my pocket. Instead , I used it as down money on a new lease . The first one I had an offer from Audi to trade up to another Audi and the remaining lease responsibility was forgiven. I then Leased a B6 S4 which I made the $3k profit on resale. So although the lease rates are not as good as you might get on a BMW(which subsidizes its leases) leasing an S4 is not always a bad thing financially

[weaselp1]

I've leased 4. On 3 of them, I had equity at end of lease which means I did not turn the car back to AFS at lease end. One I bought and resold at a $3k profit. Another, I traded in on a new S4 and had $6k which i could have easily just put back in my pocket. Instead , I used it as down money on a new lease . The first one I had an offer from Audi to trade up to another Audi and the remaining lease responsibility was forgiven. I then Leased a B6 S4 which I made the $3k profit on resale. So although the lease rates are not as good as you might get on a BMW(which subsidizes its leases) leasing an S4 is not always a bad thing financially

^This - all depends on money factor, negotiated purchase price, buyout price and time of year when the car is leased. My brother leased a 2015 S4 because it would be cheaper overall to lease for 36 months and then buy it out at the end of the lease as compared to buying the car outright and financing through AOA.

[Lamprey]

If your car gets TD1 you will loose the full warranty on the car


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I assume you are joking. So please put a smiley or something after to make it more clear. If you are not joking, well then, you don't know what you are talking about.

[lochs]

I assume you are joking. So please put a smiley or something after to make it more clear. If you are not joking, well then, you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm not joking, I've spoken to the manager of the dealership I leased my S4 from and he told me the exact same thing? Unless it's dealership discretion. in that case I'm wrong. don't appreciate you trying to discredit my post


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[Lamprey]

I'm not joking, I've spoken to the manager of the dealership I leased my S4 from and he told me the exact same thing? Unless it's dealership discretion. in that case I'm wrong. don't appreciate you trying to discredit my post


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I didn't notice that you are from Canada, so maybe you don't have the same protection laws that we have in the US. In the US that isn't true but, perhaps, in Canada it is?

[lochs]

I didn't notice that you are from Canada, so maybe you don't have the same protection laws that we have in the US. In the US that isn't true but, perhaps, in Canada it is?

I've heard of the legislation, something about if your modification didn't cause the issue then you can't be held liable? I'm not 100% if the same thing stands in Canada, I'm just going off of what I was told by my dealership. The law makes sense though.


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[DGVR6]

Yep, they can't CPO the car after so dealer gonna take a hit. They'll come after you, unless you're not upside down on the lease.

[darkstarghost]

I've heard of the legislation, something about if your modification didn't cause the issue then you can't be held liable? I'm not 100% if the same thing stands in Canada, I'm just going off of what I was told by my dealership. The law makes sense though.


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we do not have the same legislation in canada, i can't remember the exact legislation that i found for this but it was old and does not cover us the same way as the american law for this does. I researched this a long time ago and don't have the documents anymore so i can't give exacts but i do know it differs with provinces.

[treejs4]

Yep, they can't CPO the car after so dealer gonna take a hit. They'll come after you, unless you're not upside down on the lease.

After reading some other posts and doing some of my own research I don't believe this is true. As someone else mentioned, they can un-td1 a car so why would they come after me unless something is wrong?

[DGVR6]

After reading some other posts and doing some of my own research I don't believe this is true. As someone else mentioned, they can un-td1 a car so why would they come after me unless something is wrong?

Asked my SA, he told me it'll devalue the car. I would think so to, not many people want to buy an Audi with no warranty. I think someone here actually bought a car that was claimed to be CPO by the dealer after a member had gotten TD1 on a lease and traded it in. The guy who bought it threw a fit and they ended up buying it back and he went into a S6. They wasn't able to "un-td1" it. Plus.. You're probably breaking the contract.

I'll try to find the thread when I get the chance.


Edit: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...my-audi-dealer

Can't find the thread of the guy who bought the white s4.
Anywho, I've heard of rare cases where Audi flashed a TD1 back to stock and TD1 gets lifted but it's up to Audi, not the dealer.

[treejs4]

Asked my SA, he told me it'll devalue the car. I would think so to, not many people want to buy an Audi with no warranty. I think someone here actually bought a car that was claimed to be CPO by the dealer after a member had gotten TD1 on a lease and traded it in. The guy who bought it threw a fit and they ended up buying it back and he went into a S6. They wasn't able to "un-td1" it. Plus.. You're probably breaking the contract.

I'll try to find the thread when I get the chance.


Edit: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...my-audi-dealer

Can't find the thread of the guy who bought the white s4.
Anywho, I've heard of rare cases where Audi flashed a TD1 back to stock and TD1 gets lifted but it's up to Audi, not the dealer.

I just went through that link and it was 6 pages of the OP defending himself on the deal he got on his s5. And when it did mention TD1, he said he had no issues when trading it in. In fact, that is why he traded his car in, bc he got TD1'd. Am I missing something from there? lol

It makes sense for them to do so, as you and your SA have stated, but that's why I was curious to begin with.

[DGVR6]

That was for the "un-td1" claim.

As for that return, you should read your contract thoroughly. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd hit you with penalties at the end of term though, they're not called stealerships for nothing.
Whatever's on the contract though, is on the contract. If it doesn't directly state no modifications on the car without dealers authorization or something along those lines, you're more than likely safe.

[treejs4]

That was for the "un-td1" claim.

As for that return, you should read your contract thoroughly. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd hit you with penalties at the end of term though, they're not called stealerships for nothing.
Whatever's on the contract though, is on the contract. If it doesn't directly state no modifications on the car without dealers authorization or something along those lines, you're more than likely safe.

Ohhh ok makes sense now. And yeah, either way I'm going to play it safe and flash back to stock but I was just curious what happens if it didn't go as planned. Thank you!