S4 vs CTS-V

[evil35r]

Stage 1 epl w/ tcu exhaust and intake 2013 S4

2013 cts-v exhaust intake tune pulley

I kept up with him but probably would of beaten me by a car or two. I was very happy with my stage 1 seeing as though he probably had close to 600hp. What would need to be done to my car to get that extra car length or two back or beat a car like that? If you only had $1000 to do it. Is it possible? All pulls were done at 60 - 120

[Dirt]

Race from a dig.

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[jimrobbington]

Fluidampr larger crank pulley and stage 2 upgrade should be well under $1000 I would think.

[bhvrdr]

Pulley is your next step. Yeah keep racing from a dig and you can beat higher hp rwd cars

[RLB6]

Stage 1 epl w/ tcu exhaust and intake 2013 S4

2013 cts-v exhaust intake tune pulley

I kept up with him but probably would of beaten me by a car or two. I was very happy with my stage 1 seeing as though he probably had close to 600hp. What would need to be done to my car to get that extra car length or two back or beat a car like that? If you only had $1000 to do it. Is it possible? All pulls were done at 60 - 120

Dual pulley setup and tune + upgraded charge cooler system and you should own that caddy all day. An upgraded cooler system is a MUST for a dual pulley setup. Last thing you need is for the ECU to pull timing due to IAT's

[BlownOne]

A bone stock ctsV runs a 12.5-12.3 1/4 mile. A basic stage1 V runs around 11.8. The fastest stage1 s4 (any tune that I'm aware of) runs around 12.3-12.2. You're going to need a strong stage2 tune with upper pulley to have a chance or go stage3 dual pulley and you should do well, as long as he doesn't add anything lol.

Will

[mrmomo313]

On my setup I prefer roll racing now (40-130 is kill mode on my car)... Get yourself dual pulley and a race gas file. I raced a tune+cam V coupe last week. All I saw were his headlights at 130 :)

Do get a boost cooler though if you go this route.

[evil35r]

Thanks guys for all the replies. I'm really contemplating going with a 183mm crank fluidampr pulley and a stage 2 tune. Want to keep the cooling stock and the 183mm crank will give me between stage 2 and dual pulley power.

[cspcrx]

Coworker has an XFR jaguar. 510 hp v8 that weights almost exactly 200lbs more than my car, per published curb weights. Played the other day on a 30mph roll he was creeping away from me. Want to try again after I get my AMS installed. I know from a dig I have him easily.

[forcefed7]

I hate to be the negative nancy here, but of all the things that didn't happen today, this story didn't happen the most.
Or he was as bone stock as they come with zero mods.

A tune & pulley CST-V is easily a 520-540wheel horsepower car. Even with the weight difference between the two cars, that kind of power will pretty much rape you anywhere.
Stock they are putting down 445WHP, which I would think even a stage 1 S4 would struggle with on a roll race like OP mentioned.
For reference, here is the dyno chart and this is the thread it came from:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...s-wait4me.html

[cnair]

^ What he said... A stock Gen 2 CTS-V is a 118 mph trap speed car.

[hotleadsingergu]

Yup, I'm with the last few. A stock CTS-V runs faster than most Stage 1 S4s. A Stage 1 CTS-V (which that one is on the long end of it, by the looks) beats a Stage 2 S4 most of the time.

With an exhaust, intake, pulley, and tune, that CTS-V would slap a Stage 2 S4 around all day. That thing would probably run mid- to high-11s, and you're probably around a second slower than that. Either he lied about what's in his car or there was something wrong. From anything but a dig he'd walk away.

[KnewJack]

I roll raced a stock CTS-V 2014 model and he barely walked me after about 110 mph. I'm stage 2 APR trapping 112mph with a 1834DA. This race was the same night as my 112mph run. This same CTS-V was trapping 114-116 that night. A Stage one CTS-V? You would need Dual pulley cooling and race gas or 93 E85 mix. Stage one CTS-V's trap 120-122 at my local track.

[evil35r]

Thank you all for the replies.

[hotleadsingergu]

Thank you all for the replies.

So not gonna reply to any of those comments, eh?

[Trent212]

My buddy runs E85 on his CTS V with a pulley, exhaust and tune. It's making around 550-560 WHP.

So you would need to be stage 2 plus a crank pulley and some race gas to even think about hanging with that thing.

[BlownOne]

I hate to be the negative nancy here, but of all the things that didn't happen today, this story didn't happen the most.
Or he was as bone stock as they come with zero mods.

A tune & pulley CST-V is easily a 520-540wheel horsepower car. Even with the weight difference between the two cars, that kind of power will pretty much rape you anywhere.
Stock they are putting down 445WHP, which I would think even a stage 1 S4 would struggle with on a roll race like OP mentioned.
For reference, here is the dyno chart and this is the thread it came from:
[url]http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-2015-cadillac-cts-v-performance/219128-cts-v-dyno-stock-vs-wait4me.html[/url

I lol'd at the bold! Even bone stock gen2 V's trap 115-116 mph and are only a few hundred pounds heavier than a s4 sitting about 4300 before any weight eduction mods. For reference, my new setup should put me around 750whp on e85 after I get it retuned.

^ What he said... A stock Gen 2 CTS-V is a 118 mph trap speed car.

That would be a factory freak or a fast track like atco.

Yup, I'm with the last few. A stock CTS-V runs faster than most Stage 1 S4s. A Stage 1 CTS-V (which that one is on the long end of it, by the looks) beats a Stage 2 S4 most of the time.

With an exhaust, intake, pulley, and tune, that CTS-V would slap a Stage 2 S4 around all day. That thing would probably run mid- to high-11s, and you're probably around a second slower than that. Either he lied about what's in his car or there was something wrong. From anything but a dig he'd walk away.

Logically thinking about it a V has two more cylinders, over twice the cubic inches and almost a liter bigger blower. Let guys do both an upper and a lower pulley, which depending on the combo and setup, makes +/-20psi. Just a 2.4 upper should make around 12psi. You have to keep in mind that most modded V's sit on Mickey Thompson drag radials so you still might get drug from a dig.

I roll raced a stock CTS-V 2014 model and he barely walked me after about 110 mph. I'm stage 2 APR trapping 112mph with a 1834DA. This race was the same night as my 112mph run. This same CTS-V was trapping 114-116 that night. A Stage one CTS-V? You would need Dual pulley cooling and race gas or 93 E85 mix. Stage one CTS-V's trap 120-122 at my local track.

That sounds about right.

Thanks for the comments fellas as I'm partially biased and couldn't come in here ranting without being a fanboy Hahahaha

[MaGomes92]

My bolt on V1 pulled on my friends stage 2 s4. 40-120 i had him the entire time.... V2? NO SHOT.

[Hofahome]

My bolt on V1 pulled on my friends stage 2 s4. 40-120 i had him the entire time.... V2? NO SHOT.

Ya my friend's FBO V1 will hang pretty good with me. I'll still beat him but not by much from a 30-100 roll. He can't go from a dig though or that thing will hop.

[cnair]

That would be a factory freak or a fast track like atco.

I used to own a stock 2012 CTS-V AT sedan and frequented CTSVowners forum a lot. There are enough people who have trapped 117.x - 118 mph in their stock Gen 2 Vs to not make that a factory freak number Granted 115 - 116 mph is probably more common but still tough for a Stage 1 S4 to beat. Maybe OP has a factory freak S4? What do those run stock? Fastest magazine times seem to be in the 108 - 109 mph range but how realistic is that?

[cspcrx]

Those things are fast!

[BlownOne]

I used to own a stock 2012 CTS-V AT sedan and frequented CTSVowners forum a lot. There are enough people who have trapped 117.x - 118 mph in their stock Gen 2 Vs to not make that a factory freak number Granted 115 - 116 mph is probably more common but still tough for a Stage 1 S4 to beat. Maybe OP has a factory freak S4? What do those run stock? Fastest magazine times seem to be in the 108 - 109 mph range but how realistic is that?

Yea 115-116mph is average with 117-118 being the exception in good da/track prep of course. Not entirely sure as I never ran my s4 stock but I would guess 106-107mph (with dsg) bone stock. For comparison, I ran 111mph with my intake and stage1 tune in my s4.

[rwtzero]

My stage 1 vs. my friends stock 2009 CTS-V on the highway at 40mph, three beeps... HE RUINED ME!!!! I did not have a CHANCE IN HELL! so... now that I'm stage 2, I would like to try again. I imagine that I will still lose. 565hp is a LOT of power!

[MaGomes92]

Ya my friend's FBO V1 will hang pretty good with me. I'll still beat him but not by much from a 30-100 roll. He can't go from a dig though or that thing will hop.

from a dig forget it, V1s can't hook up. I did all the wheel hop mods so i could just lay rubber. But the thing was an absolute animal from a roll. it was my first car and i will say it was much more fun to drive then my S5.

[BlownOne]

My stage 1 vs. my friends stock 2009 CTS-V on the highway at 40mph, three beeps... HE RUINED ME!!!! I did not have a CHANCE IN HELL! so... now that I'm stage 2, I would like to try again. I imagine that I will still lose. 565hp is a LOT of power!

Hahahaha yea 2nd gear at 40mph V's are snappy on the hit.

from a dig forget it, V1s can't hook up. I did all the wheel hop mods so i could just lay rubber. But the thing was an absolute animal from a roll. it was my first car and i will say it was much more fun to drive then my S5.

V2's hook just fine with the right setup

[forcefed7]

V2 wagon with FBO = no can defend. They are sexy.

[chrisucf99]

I've raced a couple tuned CTS-V's at the dragstrip, I'll dig up some videos... When I was running consistent 12.1's and 12.2's (in horrible heat an humidity) they were running 12.4's. They were trapping higher then me, but I think their main issue (at the dragstrip) is that the S4 get's better traction off the line and rips out of the gate, where they were spinning tires before hooking up.