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    Why my car keeps beating bigger engines?

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    So today i was driving at the highway normally, i was on 80 km and there is a car in front of me i want to pass, i took my left and in a matter of seconds i looked at the mirror to see a Toyota Camry right behind me flashing me with the headlights, that car i bypassed it like a minute ago, so i shifted down and start to run, the car was behind me until we reached 220km/h i played with the turn signals (Keep up where you at?) after that it was slowing down and took a different way.
    The car was having a 3.5 V6 with 268hp (Research)
    Mine was 2.0 i4
    It was obvious he was racing because all the way he was behind me.

    Sorry for the long story but can anyone explain how?
    Engineering? Parts??
    It did happen a lot with jap and kor cars, Sonata , Forte, Elantra....
    I wanted to ask this question long time ago... Thanks.

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    You are just a kick ass driver and they are scared of you. Your aura just commands respect. Men wants to be you and women wants to be with you👍

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    Established Member Two Rings Rubba's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by hightime80 View Post
    You are just a kick ass driver and they are scared of you. Your aura just commands respect. Men wants to be you and women wants to be with you👍
    Thanks man! 👈

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    'Cause race car....
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    Because das auto. You must have bigger bawls oO

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    Very impressive story, keep us posted with new developments
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    Established Member Two Rings Rubba's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    'Cause race car....
    Yep 💪

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotov View Post
    Because das auto. You must have bigger bawls oO
    Lol, Yes i do 😂

    Quote Originally Posted by teg2audi View Post
    Very impressive story, keep us posted with new developments
    Thanks bro, will do 👌

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    Waiting on MurkyMike to chime in on this very interesting thread.

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    I think there should be a "A4 v.s. ___" thread, like on the MKV GTI fourm.
    I dont know just a thought, maybe the B6 guys are more mature haha

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    thanks! this thread made me smile me smile
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    Must have a "Special" 2.0, because mine is slow as hell

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    Please inform us with other times you beat a camry. We are all very interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 123lilc View Post
    I think there should be a "A4 v.s. ___" thread, like on the MKV GTI fourm.
    I dont know just a thought, maybe the B6 guys are more mature haha
    We should have that xD

    Quote Originally Posted by 19jdog View Post
    thanks! this thread made me smile me smile
    Glad to hear that!
    Quote Originally Posted by DeutscheB6 View Post
    Must have a "Special" 2.0, because mine is slow as hell

    Sent from the Beer Cloud
    I,don't know 😂
    But my car max speed 250 km/h
    Quote Originally Posted by evo_ski View Post
    Please inform us with other times you beat a camry. We are all very interested.
    Beaten lots of cars, i wish i have a dashcam ✊

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    You do realize when a car pulls up next to you at a stoplight, and leaves at the same time as you because the light turned green, doesn't mean they're racing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoparFreak69 View Post
    You do realize when a car pulls up next to you at a stoplight, and leaves at the same time as you because the light turned green, doesn't mean they're racing you.
    A story for a Mopar guy....

    I remember way back when, my friends had a 440 six pack Superbird and I happened to be behind them pulling onto the highway. Driver floored it, I could see a back seat passenger with a huge smile on his face jumping up and down cause they were pulling on my Charger. They beat me pretty good, mostly because I wasn't racing

    They then went around town telling the grand tale how how they tromped my Charger. It was pretty funny.

    Rematch #1 Side by side roll at 40 mph.

    We both had 727 autos. I had a modified valve body that let me drop back to first at a higher speed to take advantage of a cammed up motor. The Superbird, not so much. I dropped a gear got into the power band and was easily a car length ahead by 65mph.

    It was proclaimed: Unfair, you have the special modified tranny... If not for that, we would have beat your since we have race car with many more carburetors!

    Race # 2 65 MPH roll.

    My 71 Charger has a nice even pull, I slowly gain on them, by 110, it was clear that they will never catch me.

    The response? Your car pulls better at mid speeds but we have a 440 and you only have a 360 (Swapped from a 74 duster) and we have the pointy nose Superbird with better aerodynamics! For top speed, we would beat you and your single carbureted small block. That and you don't even have a real carb! What is that foolish thing with the plastic fuel bowl? (it was a modded Thermoquad that flowed 850 cfm)

    They might have a point.. But they also had a Dana rear axle with shortish gears that limited the top speed. That and they built the motor with way too much compression ratio for pump gas and had to pull the timing way back to prevent detonation. Add in a poorly setup six pack and 80 cu inches won't help. On paper I had less, but it ran right.

    Fun times...

    Short story? Make sure you are actually being raced. Also, to this day they superbird owner swears his car was faster. Same group that when given a ride in my Duster that at the time was running in the low 12's said it didn't feel that fast, the pull was not very good (compared to their 14.8 second big block). Same group of guys that went through a 426 Hemi to freshen it up. Pre-freshen up it ran a 14.3, the fresh motor ran solid 15's How can you do that to a Hemi?

    Way back when, running a 13 with a V8 was a bigger deal.
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    Your age is showing, Kevin ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Your age is showing, Kevin ;-)
    I was realizing that as I typed it.... On that subject, do you remember when running a radial tire was a controversial thing? It came with bias plys from the factory, you can't put radials on that!

    Also, I'm pretty sure you remember those same days. I was on the east coast at the time, just north of Boston.
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    I sure do! And if you put radials one the front and bias ply on the back your car was going to veer into the nearest bridge abutment, burst into flames and kill everyone in a ¼ mile radius.
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    Doing 220KM/h on a public road = Uber tool.

    Please do not assume you have the right to take other peoples life in your hands just because your think you are safe, no one is safe @ 220KM/h.

    Be a responsible adult and go to a track. Stop racing Toyota's on a public road like a 17 year old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoparFreak69 View Post
    You do realize when a car pulls up next to you at a stoplight, and leaves at the same time as you because the light turned green, doesn't mean they're racing you.
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin C View Post
    A story for a Mopar guy....
    The old adage "there's no replacement for displacement" only held true when all other things were equal. A poorly tuned 440 can easily be beaten by a highly tuned small block. Heck I have seen the lowly built 318 lay the smack down on a 440 that was pinging itself to death because the owner was too proud to accept advice that his distributor was not set up properly.

    The same is more true today with all of the advancements in powerplant technology. When I was running my 1.8t MK4 GTI @20 PSI I easily handed many Hondas their pride, even with swapped 2.0 engines, turboed to 25PSI this and custom that, simply because my car had a better tune and was set up properly. Just because you dump 25PSI into any engine doesn't mean it's making full use of it.

    Either way, I'm not going to preach the whole "street racing is dangerous and you're a douche if you do it" because I sure have done my fair share of it. Just pay attention to your surroundings and make sure your equipment is safe to run the way you are running it.

    Oh, and be realistic. You didn't beat grandma's Camry because she most certainly wasn't racing you.

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