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    Parking brake just engaged at 60MPH! (2017 S6)

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    Just had quite a scare...my friend was testing out my new S6. I set it all up for him (Traction off, Dynamic, Sport), I told him how to launch. He takes off and the first thing I notice is the rear squats down which indicated to me it wasn't in proper launch mode. Anyway, he takes off and just as he hits about 60MPH the P-brake engages and the car completely locks up for about 120ft! I was in shock...I thought something/someone ran out in front of him, but then realized the brake lights weren't on. He came back around and told me the dash in front of him said "parking brake engaged". He was pretty shaken up, as was I. Does anyone know why the hell that would happen?

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    Wait...so you were NOT in the car?
    Boris... why always Boris? You come at the king you best not miss. I dont know nobody named Barksdale B. My name is my name! You Mcnulty, are a gaping as#$%^le. On a sunday morning , on a sunday morning.../// And now the coffee maker sucks, howdya like them apples? 'The F%$K does that have to do with cold medicine. Friend of a friend, not a friend of ours. Either you take it into your heart that I did not do this, or this is as far as we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post
    Wait...so you were NOT in the car?
    I was not in the car, I was shooting video. (yes I have it on video)

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    this is why i dont let people drive my car, ever. the story always starts with "so my friend was driving..." not saying he did anything wrong at all, just odd that it happens when someone who doesnt own it is driving
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    so he pulled the emergency brake.... by accident...on purpose.... he pulled the brake.


    Youtube that shit. must have been quite the sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black3.2 View Post
    this is why i dont let people drive my car, ever. the story always starts with "so my friend was driving..." not saying he did anything wrong at all, just odd that it happens when someone who doesnt own it is driving
    Yeah but this is a 46 year old guy who has driven every super car under the sun, and has road raced. According to him, both hands on the wheel, gas pedal mashed. Not sure what a driver can do to engage the p-brake at 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black3.2 View Post
    this is why i dont let people drive my car, ever. the story always starts with "so my friend was driving..." not saying he did anything wrong at all, just odd that it happens when someone who doesnt own it is driving
    uh huh .
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    so he pulled the emergency brake.... by accident...on purpose.... he pulled the brake.


    Youtube that shit. must have been quite the sight.
    uh huh



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    More importantly...wheres the video?!?!

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    Video please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I'm pretty sure the electronic parking brake won't engage if you are driving. Something went pretty wrong there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpgutter View Post
    I'm pretty sure the electronic parking brake won't engage if you are driving. Something went pretty wrong there.
    Exactly...we watched the vid a few times.... they lock up, he taps the brakes in a panic, brake lights go off, still locked up.

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    LOL That was perfect!!!!

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    That is scary...

    Even with the parking brake engaged at high speed, shouldn't the car go in to emergency braking mode and stop as fast as ABS will allow it to without locking up the wheels?
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    Wow, definitely an issue there. He was lucky he maintained control.

    I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Putting the parking brake on needs a positive action in pulling the switch to engage it, and even then l don't know if there is a safety override if the car is moving.

    The emergency braking (using the ACC radar) brings the stop lights on.

    Can you imagine this happening on the freeway, and no stop lights?? This needs to do to your dealer for follow up....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black3.2 View Post
    ....the story always starts with "so my friend was driving..." .....
    I thought it was "Hold my beer and watch this" :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilveR316 View Post

    Even with the parking brake engaged at high speed, shouldn't the car go in to emergency braking mode and stop as fast as ABS will allow it to without locking up the wheels?
    Yep. It "should"
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    Daaamn Just saw vid. Looks like he took off with brake engaged and the wheels locked when the weight shifted (either from shifting or lifting).

    Looked sluggish off the line , and that squat ..well.....................

























































    Boris... why always Boris? You come at the king you best not miss. I dont know nobody named Barksdale B. My name is my name! You Mcnulty, are a gaping as#$%^le. On a sunday morning , on a sunday morning.../// And now the coffee maker sucks, howdya like them apples? 'The F%$K does that have to do with cold medicine. Friend of a friend, not a friend of ours. Either you take it into your heart that I did not do this, or this is as far as we go.

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    Wow - that video is scary. Does the car log electronically what happened? Maybe the dealer can pull some data.


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    Another possibility...
    Did you accidentally get out of the car with it in drive to switch drivers?
    In that case the parking brake would engage automatically when the door was opened and was maybe still engaged when he tried to launch which would account for the strange launch, and then when he lifts off the accelerator it would already have the parking brake engaged and slam on the brakes like that.
    It's a thought anyway, I don't really know if you try to launch with parking brake on if it can even overpower the brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post
    Daaamn Just saw vid. Looks like he took off with brake engaged and the wheels locked when the weight shifted (either from shifting or lifting).

    Looked sluggish off the line , and that squat ..well.....................
    Honestly this seems like the most feasible option as it did look extremely sluggish off the line.
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    Ask him if he had a chime in the cabin.

    The electronic parking bake if pulled back will give you about 500 ms before it chimes in the cabin, then it will lock up the rear wheels.

    The only other thing I can think of is the immobilizer kicked in. To my knowledge that won't kick in until the car comes to a complete stop I would take it to Audi, a lot of this info is logged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gk1 View Post
    Another possibility...
    Did you accidentally get out of the car with it in drive to switch drivers?
    In that case the parking brake would engage automatically when the door was opened and was maybe still engaged when he tried to launch which would account for the strange launch, and then when he lifts off the accelerator it would already have the parking brake engaged and slam on the brakes like that.
    It's a thought anyway, I don't really know if you try to launch with parking brake on if it can even overpower the brake.
    Yes! I opened the passenger door while it was in drive to make sure it was in Dynamic. It probably engaged then, but would it allow you to launch and get to almost 60MPH??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-three View Post
    Yes! I opened the passenger door while it was in drive to make sure it was in Dynamic. It probably engaged then, but would it allow you to launch and get to almost 60MPH??
    Have you been able to reproduce the issue since then? Did the wheels unlock after it stopped?
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    So no launching with parking brake engaged, just made a mental note!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilveR316 View Post
    Have you been able to reproduce the issue since then? Did the wheels unlock after it stopped?
    I haven't tried to reproduce it, and probably wont. I just asked my friend if he had to disengage the brake once it came to a stop and indeed he had to.

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    Just for reference, you can absolutely manually engage the EPB while the car is in motion. I had my car on the ice this past winter for an event and was playing with it. Unfortunately, there is no fun to be had but I confirmed it will engage in motion, (25mph+).
    Do it right, or don't bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-three View Post
    Yes! I opened the passenger door while it was in drive to make sure it was in Dynamic. It probably engaged then, but would it allow you to launch and get to almost 60MPH??
    Yes, it would, and it would look and sound just like what we saw in the video clip. Very slow, labored takeoff and acceleration, followed by screeching to a halt with the rear wheels locked...that's why the car slewed sideways as it came to a stop.

    This is what a true, 5200 RPM "Launch Control" launch looks like: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...E-1_3YluHpfGKA

    (bonus points for the involuntary cackling caused by the launch...;-)

    The parking brake doesn't have anything like the clamping force of the regular brakes. As has been demonstrated countless times, the brakes on any modern car can easily overwhelm the engine power when fully applied. The parking brake, notsomuch...
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    Well, FWIW at a standstill then just the rear parking brake brake was engaged so I guess we see it can overcome that on a launch, but once above 5 mph the emergency braking function is initiated where the car brakes all four wheels by activating the hydraulic brake system. That would indeed be frightening at 60MPH.
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    Unintended Deceleration:

    I guess Toyota had probelems with this: http://www.automotive-fleet.com/news/story/2014/05/toyota-recalling-380-5-k-vehicles-for-corrosion-unintended-deceleration.aspx


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    My money is on him taking off with the parking brake on. Something about the way I must get out of my car, but my car constantly puts the parking brake on when I exit the car, and I have to turn it off. I've taken off with the brake still on. Never launched the car with the brake on, but hit the gas pretty hard and the car moved. Obviously, I figured the brake was on and I didn't get above 10mph. But I could see a launch with the foot flat on the accelerator letting you get to 60, even with the parking brake on. Cool video. And you most certainly have some bald spots on your tires. Check for some sweet slapping noises from your tires at 80+mph
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    Does the car not release the parking brake once the car starts moving? My S4 releases the parking brake when you apply engine load and start moving...


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    The C7/7.5 platform has a lot of onboard driver assistance technology, including automatic parking brake engagement and release. At least it does on the European models with Hold Assist (2nd button immediately below the handbrake button)

    If I come to a halt in my S7 and press and hold the footbrake for a second or two, the parking brake is engaged and l get a 'handbrake on light' on the dashboard that you can't miss.

    If all doors are closed and the drivers seatbelt is on, the electronic parking brake auto releases as soon as l press the accelerator.

    If l attempt to drive off with the parking brake engaged (no seatbelt on - coming out of my garage for example) the car absolutely does NOT move, and I get a warning on the DIS screen.

    Finally, if the car applies emergency braking (or ACC controlled braking) for whatever reason, the brake lights are immediately activated.

    In order to be in launch mode, as well as actually activating launch control, you need to be standing on the brakes while flooring the accelerator to high RPM.

    I've watched the video a couple of times, including frame by frame, and observe the following.

    1. The car is not launched - Launch control (assuming properly selected) requires you to stand on the brake pedal while flooring the accelerator, in effect using both feet. You then lift off on the brake and off you go. It's not a natural movement and takes a little practice to get right. In this instance the driver is on the brake (brake light is on) however he is not on the accelerator. You can hear the engine gun as soon as the brake lights go out. At this point he's simply driving it like a regular car, albeit he's driving it fast. However he's flooring the accelerator with stability control switched off (assuming set for launch control)

    2. When the wheels lock up the brake lights are not on. You can just see the brake lights illuminate after the lock up actually happens. I think this is the drivers natural reaction to what occurred. He hit the brake.

    3. The car haunching down at the start of the acceleration is normal dynamic forces at work when you floor the accelerator.

    4. There is no evidence that the parking brake is engaged. He lifts off the footbrake and immeadiately accelerates with no hesitation. You cannot hear the parking brake disengage.

    Let's give the driver the benefit of the doubt.

    There is no reason whatsoever for him to take his hand off the wheel (in the midst of a high speed run) and apply the electronic parking brake. The brake lights do not come on until after the lock up occurs. Even if the driver decided to abort the drive, manually standing on the brakes would have initiated the ABS system, preventing the full lockup of the wheels. The electronic parking brake is normally only applied to the rear wheels, however if the car is travelling over a certain MPH, manually pulling the parking brake switch, and holding it in the pulled position, will apply emergency braking to all four wheels. It's not clear from the video if all four wheels locked, or just the rear. But for emergency braking to continue to be applied, you must keep pulling on the switch. If you release the parking brake switch (or accelerate) emergency braking is disengaged.

    Pulling and continuing to pull on the parking brake switch in order to initiate emergency braking is absolutely not something you can do by accident.

    I still say you should engage your dealer for advice, as this simply doesn't look right.

    You (or someone) should also try and duplicate the fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkwelsh View Post
    There is no reason whatsoever for him to take his hand off the wheel (in the midst of a high speed run) and apply the electronic parking brake. The brake lights do not come on until after the lock up occurs. Even if the driver decided to abort the drive, manually standing on the brakes would have initiated the ABS system, preventing the full lockup of the wheels. The electronic parking brake is normally only applied to the rear wheels, however if the car is travelling over a certain MPH, manually pulling the parking brake switch, and holding it in the pulled position, will apply emergency braking to all four wheels. It's not clear from the video if all four wheels locked, or just the rear. But for emergency braking to continue to be applied, you must keep pulling on the switch. If you release the parking brake switch (or accelerate) emergency braking is disengaged.
    Confirmed and agree.The EPB at speed does engage all 4 corners. When I posted and said, "no fun to be had" this is exactly what I meant and I should have verbalized it.
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    My thought as well. If the key wasn't in the car, it might be a "car-jacking" response by the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevemmg View Post
    My thought as well. If the key wasn't in the car, it might be a "car-jacking" response by the car.
    There is no anti-hijacking feature on the C7.5 platform.

    If the car is running and the key is removed from the cabin, you get a warning on the DIS that says something like "Key not recognised" The car does not stop if its already running. However if the vehicle is subsequently stopped with no key present, you cannot restart the car (or lock the doors)

    if you think about it, an anti-hijack feature that slams the brakes on is only going to end in a bad way if the "thief" is in traffic and accelerating away from the scene of the theft!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkwelsh View Post
    The C7/7.5 platform has a lot of onboard driver assistance technology, including automatic parking brake engagement and release. At least it does on the European models with Hold Assist (2nd button immediately below the handbrake button)

    If I come to a halt in my S7 and press and hold the footbrake for a second or two, the parking brake is engaged and l get a 'handbrake on light' on the dashboard that you can't miss.

    If all doors are closed and the drivers seatbelt is on, the electronic parking brake auto releases as soon as l press the accelerator.

    If l attempt to drive off with the parking brake engaged (no seatbelt on - coming out of my garage for example) the car absolutely does NOT move, and I get a warning on the DIS screen.

    Finally, if the car applies emergency braking (or ACC controlled braking) for whatever reason, the brake lights are immediately activated.

    In order to be in launch mode, as well as actually activating launch control, you need to be standing on the brakes while flooring the accelerator to high RPM.

    I've watched the video a couple of times, including frame by frame, and observe the following.

    1. The car is not launched - Launch control (assuming properly selected) requires you to stand on the brake pedal while flooring the accelerator, in effect using both feet. You then lift off on the brake and off you go. It's not a natural movement and takes a little practice to get right. In this instance the driver is on the brake (brake light is on) however he is not on the accelerator. You can hear the engine gun as soon as the brake lights go out. At this point he's simply driving it like a regular car, albeit he's driving it fast. However he's flooring the accelerator with stability control switched off (assuming set for launch control)

    2. When the wheels lock up the brake lights are not on. You can just see the brake lights illuminate after the lock up actually happens. I think this is the drivers natural reaction to what occurred. He hit the brake.

    3. The car haunching down at the start of the acceleration is normal dynamic forces at work when you floor the accelerator.

    4. There is no evidence that the parking brake is engaged. He lifts off the footbrake and immeadiately accelerates with no hesitation. You cannot hear the parking brake disengage.

    Let's give the driver the benefit of the doubt.

    There is no reason whatsoever for him to take his hand off the wheel (in the midst of a high speed run) and apply the electronic parking brake. The brake lights do not come on until after the lock up occurs. Even if the driver decided to abort the drive, manually standing on the brakes would have initiated the ABS system, preventing the full lockup of the wheels. The electronic parking brake is normally only applied to the rear wheels, however if the car is travelling over a certain MPH, manually pulling the parking brake switch, and holding it in the pulled position, will apply emergency braking to all four wheels. It's not clear from the video if all four wheels locked, or just the rear. But for emergency braking to continue to be applied, you must keep pulling on the switch. If you release the parking brake switch (or accelerate) emergency braking is disengaged.

    Pulling and continuing to pull on the parking brake switch in order to initiate emergency braking is absolutely not something you can do by accident.

    I still say you should engage your dealer for advice, as this simply doesn't look right.

    You (or someone) should also try and duplicate the fault.
    All great information, thank you. Also, I had the key with me, not sure that matters. Again, this is my friend of almost 20 years. He has driven all of my cars, I know for a fact he didn't accidentally do anything wrong. The above feedback is very informative and am concluding that the brake was on when he left due to me opening the passenger door with the car in drive.

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    EPB activated when door opened. Friend launches car with brake engaged which accounts for the ultra sluggish acceleration in video. Car chimes at xxMPH and park brake message appears. Friend driving the car responds to the chime/message by instinctively lifting off the throttle. Engine power is reduced and can no longer overcome EPB clamping force and rear wheels lock up. Seems like that is the likely scenario.

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