APR - 3.0 TDI Stage 1 ECU Tune

[AudiA6TDI]

Anyone have any first hand experience with the APR 3.0 TDI Stage 1 ECU tune? I'm contemplating purchasing the tune in the next 6 months, just wanting to see if anyone can chime in with their experience.

I understand that 426ftlb of torque is probably enough, but I really wouldn't mind having a bit more for $600. ;)

I don't plan on removing the DPF. Keeping everything stock except the tune and K&N filter.

2014 Audi A6 3.0 TDI Prestige with SLine and Black Optics.

Thanks.


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[Kevin1]

I am also interested.

[/dev/null]

Im at 43k on my '14 A6TDI.... soon as that passes 50k Ill probably apply it. The 30 day policy is essentially no-risk (albeit not sure if the car would still flag TD1 after removal). The local techs are pretty tight lipped about that topic - although they love the torque /power/mileage of the TDI.

DFP delete would also be of interest at some point.... guess Ill wait for that to plug up before spending the extra $$ on another mod that Im not sure is necessary. Extra power and torque is nice to 'play' with, but I dont need "driving awards" nor do I race the car. In fact its my wife's everyday driver!

(if I wanted to go real fast Id buy a RS7 or S8+)

[Kevin1]

So who is going to be the Guinea Pig?

[AudiA6TDI]

I'll buy it after I pass 50k miles. I was just checking to see if anyone on the forums have tried it out.

/dev/null, definitely not looking for a race car. Just looking to get the most out of it. I could have easily bought an S6 or S7 for all out power, and I was tempted to do so. However, the TDI engine has a decent amount of power and gives me the MPG I desired. Adding a little more power will make it perfect. :)


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[cjpatel]

Actually scheduled to get the Stage 1 ECU upgrade on Wednesday morning. Will certianly report back.

I hate how "slow" the mid range and top end are.

[AudiA6TDI]

cjpatel

Sounds great. Looking forwarding to hearing about experience with the tune!


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[Kevin1]

Actually scheduled to get the Stage 1 ECU upgrade on Wednesday morning. Will certianly report back.

I hate how "slow" the mid range and top end are.

It's much quicker if you up shift at 3800 rpms. I look forward to to hearing your review of the tune.

[BarryT82]

I purchased the JR Auto Tuning stage 2 tune for my Q5. A few others have it or the Malone tune. I bought it from Buzzken.

[cjpatel]

It's much quicker if you up shift at 3800 rpms. I look forward to to hearing your review of the tune.

Do you think it would be wise to go with the Stage II? It apparently only adds a few more horsepower, but while its going in?

[phast_a6]

I have a 2016 A6 TDI and I tried to get the APR Stage 1 with no luck. It seems the tune is not available for download. I was told it might take a few weeks for them to make it available. I was nervous about getting it done because I have not heard any reviews on the tune. I guess partly because no one has it completed just yet.

[cjpatel]

Got this Tune done, had to go with the Stage I 91 Octane tune, because many gas stations near me only have 92 octane. I didn't want to risk any damage for 10 hp, in case I get caught at a Wawa gas station with only 92.

Will report back in a few days once I let the car power marinate.


Thanks,

[Kevin1]

Got this Tune done, had to go with the Stage I 91 Octane tune, because many gas stations near me only have 92 octane. I didn't want to risk any damage for 10 hp, in case I get caught at a Wawa gas station with only 92.

Will report back in a few days once I let the car power marinate.


Thanks,

Looking forward to hearing about your observations.

[Sean@APR]

I drove the test car that we used to develop this file. It's a good improvement.

DPF delete won't ever happen. Sorry guys, but we have to stay on the right side of the EPA.

[AudiA6TDI]

Cjpatel,

Do you have a 3.0T or 3.0TDI? At this time, I believe there is only Low Sulfur Diesel available as fuel :)

Sean,

Totally understand. I'm not going to do a DPF delete. Just wanting to see if anyone here has the tune and what their experiences were. I'll gladly being a sponsored Guinea Pig if needed ;)


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[09tuxedo]

I purchased the APR stage 1 tune for my 2014 A6 TDI prestige s-line about 6 months back. I would do it over again in a heart beat. The increase isn't MASSIVE, but it is definitely noticeable. Lag off the line is gone, 2 foot driving is allowed, governor is removed, throttle response improved, power increased throughout the entire RPM range. Bang for buck and reversibility you can't beat it. I do wonder if other companies take a more aggressive approach with tuning and see more gains, but you can't go wrong with the APR name. I have had one instance within a month of the tune where it threw a code (turbo overboost) that sent it into limp mode. Given this was on a 5+ mile stretch at WOT to test top speed. The code threw right around 150 MPH after sustained full boost. After shutting it down and starting it back up the code went away and hasn't happened since, even after other top speed runs. All in all it gives that little bit of performance edge this car was missing.

[Kevin1]

Do you have any before and after dynos?

[mikemartin88]

I purchased the APR stage 1 tune for my 2014 A6 TDI prestige s-line about 6 months back. I would do it over again in a heart beat. The increase isn't MASSIVE, but it is definitely noticeable. Lag off the line is gone, 2 foot driving is allowed, governor is removed, throttle response improved, power increased throughout the entire RPM range. Bang for buck and reversibility you can't beat it. I do wonder if other companies take a more aggressive approach with tuning and see more gains, but you can't go wrong with the APR name. I have had one instance within a month of the tune where it threw a code (turbo overboost) that sent it into limp mode. Given this was on a 5+ mile stretch at WOT to test top speed. The code threw right around 150 MPH after sustained full boost. After shutting it down and starting it back up the code went away and hasn't happened since, even after other top speed runs. All in all it gives that little bit of performance edge this car was missing.

Glad to hear your experience has been positive, I definitely plan to go APR Stage 1 for my 3.0 TDI once I'm out of factory warranty

[AudiA6TDI]

Thanks for the info!


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[Kevin1]

Glad to hear your experience has been positive, I definitely plan to go APR Stage 1 for my 3.0 TDI once I'm out of factory warranty

Probably also want to wait to see what Audi does with a TDI settlement. Would hate to be disqualified from getting a settlement check simply because the car was tuned.

[Stan77]

For a TDI go with Revo



270 whp is very good for TDI, i think. This dyno was made without any mods, all stock, only tune. Now my TDI have RS7/KN intake, straight pipe exhoust, will do a de-cat and install FMIC and dyno it again. Want to find 285-290WHP. It will be a deasel beast ) Right now it runs 0-100 (63mph) kmh in 4.8 sec and 1/4 within 13.3, not quite fast according to the times of alot of S and RS out there, but it's diesel which can run 1000+ km on 1 tank, have shitload of torque and have average consumption in mixed cycle 50% city traffic / 50 % highway 9 liters per 100kmm i have no idea how are you calculating mpg )

[durallymax]

Not APR, but in the process of installing a JR tune and BK exhaust.

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[hoodis]

bumping thread to see if anyone has done this post-fix dont tell my gf im here

[WhiteWhiteS7]

Being very involved with the diesel truck world, DPF deletes are almost a necessity on any newer diesel engine. The massive choke on the engine kills so many other components, its not wonder why so many companies make EGR and DPF delete kits for trucks. When I was shopping around for Audis, I seriously considered an A7 TDI, based on what Bobby Singh has proven with his A4 3.0 TDI in the UK. If you are unfamiliar with common rail diesel tuning technics, hit up his threads and look at what Darkside has to offer.

https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...thread.248899/

[Audibot]

bumping thread to see if anyone has done this post-fix dont tell my gf im here

Bought mine in March with 30.5k miles on it. I'm waiting until my factory warranty is expired at 50k miles before I get the car tuned. Probably Malone but we'll see. Been checking out Darkside's site and am actually interested in seeing what a high flow DPF could do, similar to HFC I had on my B7.

Maryland recently passed a law making it illegal to roll coal, so I gotta avoid that if I can.

[flyfishing]

Wow that linked thread was awesome to read. What a beast wagon


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[WhiteWhiteS7]

Maryland recently passed a law making it illegal to roll coal, so I gotta avoid that if I can.

So did Colorado. I don't care. My engine's efficiency and longevity are more important.

[Audibot]

There's a difference between being an a-hole and throwing out soot everywhere, and what that guy Bobby did and not blowing smoke.

[baldy]

Had the Malone stage 2 remap done last week at the local dyno. Couldn't be happier. The power stays on until shift points, and doesn't feel like much of a taper. Stock, it would fall on its face at 4k RPM. Any lag off the line has been eliminated and driving up hills on the highway it holds gear while slightly accelerating versus dropping down a gear on the stock tune. Fuel economy is slightly better on the highway (around 8%). In town, driving like a normal person, no change in economy, however enjoying the gain in torque it's around 10% less frugal. No smoke, no noticeable sound difference either. Ended up getting the FlashZilla so I can switch back to stock if I need to and it's ridiculously easy. Owain, Mark, and Keir were great answering any questions I had. Top notch service.

[Audibot]

Had the Malone stage 2 remap done last week at the local dyno. Couldn't be happier. The power stays on until shift points, and doesn't feel like much of a taper. Stock, it would fall on its face at 4k RPM. Any lag off the line has been eliminated and driving up hills on the highway it holds gear while slightly accelerating versus dropping down a gear on the stock tune. Fuel economy is slightly better on the highway (around 8%). In town, driving like a normal person, no change in economy, however enjoying the gain in torque it's around 10% less frugal. No smoke, no noticeable sound difference either. Ended up getting the FlashZilla so I can switch back to stock if I need to and it's ridiculously easy. Owain, Mark, and Keir were great answering any questions I had. Top notch service.

Thanks for the feedback!

[WhiteWhiteS7]

Had the Malone stage 2 remap done last week at the local dyno. Couldn't be happier. The power stays on until shift points, and doesn't feel like much of a taper. Stock, it would fall on its face at 4k RPM. Any lag off the line has been eliminated and driving up hills on the highway it holds gear while slightly accelerating versus dropping down a gear on the stock tune. Fuel economy is slightly better on the highway (around 8%). In town, driving like a normal person, no change in economy, however enjoying the gain in torque it's around 10% less frugal. No smoke, no noticeable sound difference either. Ended up getting the FlashZilla so I can switch back to stock if I need to and it's ridiculously easy. Owain, Mark, and Keir were great answering any questions I had. Top notch service.

DPF delete? Any plans on going to the larger Garrett GTB2566VK or the newer GTD2872VRK?

[WhiteWhiteS7]

I'm really interested to see if somebody has the knowledge and balls to really rip into a 3.0 TDI system. There is a ton of Bosch CP3 intelligence in the diesel truck world in the US that the Europeans simply don't have that could be a huge benefit to someone willing to go the distance. I would love to see somebody try to stroke out a CP3, go with huge nozzles, and a huge S300 turbo and really see what the engine is capable of. I'm Industrial Injection or Exergy would be really excited to break into this market.

[Audibot]

I'm really interested to see if somebody has the knowledge and balls to really rip into a 3.0 TDI system.

I've been leaning more and more towards this but it wouldn't happen until the spring when I will likely exceed 50k miles. My work colleague (another huge car guy; he's looking to get into self-tuning his already 800+ hp Vette) is starting to get into and it sounds like we're going to both be pushing and helping each other. A lot of research to do still. But that thread you posted really stroked my interest.

But talk is cheap so we'll see how we get along. Luckily I have a couple close facilities with dynos I could go for runs on.

[baldy]

DPF delete? Any plans on going to the larger Garrett GTB2566VK or the newer GTD2872VRK?

No deletes yet, as I'm waiting to see if the so called TDI fix gets updated...then I might go in and have it done to get the payment. At this point, I don't think I'll be getting it done seeing as how everyone that has had it done has had nothing but issues after.

The 2872 looks interesting, I just don't know if the fuel pumps and injectors will handle it without mods. I'm thinking of looking into the OE BiTurbo to see how easy / difficult that would be to transplant since they are fairly inexpensive for low mileage units from Europe.

[Kevin1]

No deletes yet, as I'm waiting to see if the so called TDI fix gets updated...then I might go in and have it done to get the payment. At this point, I don't think I'll be getting it done seeing as how everyone that has had it done has had nothing but issues after.

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Plus 1 on the EPA fix.

[202009]

Has anyone else joined the dark side yet and tuned their North American TDI's?

Another person used the Malone stage 2 and looks like the support and results are pretty impressive:

https://forums.tdiclub.com/showthrea...=485559&page=3

[Coolrunning]

I’m getting close to doing that here soon! I have a Kerma tuned 14 golf TDI and no issues for over 20k miles. Just deciding if I want to go Kerma or Malone for this platform. With Malone, I could delete the EGR/DPF etc with tuning software. Kerma won’t upgrade your ECU past a stege 1 so no deletes. I was told this over the phone by a KERMA rep.

[Coolrunning]

From my searching, I couldn’t find any different style intakes for our TDI’s. I went ahead and pulled out the box and Swiss cheesed the bottom of it with a 1-inch drill bit. Definitely gets up and moves a bit more now that she has more airflow coming in.

[202009]

Bump, curious to see if anyone has feedback on their C7 TDI with a Malone tune. I am starting to get really annoyed with the lag/delay of acceleration and leaning toward doing the tune to get the responsiveness back.

[Audibot]

Bump, curious to see if anyone has feedback on their C7 TDI with a Malone tune. I am starting to get really annoyed with the lag/delay of acceleration and leaning toward doing the tune to get the responsiveness back.

I should be getting my car back with Malone Stage 2 today or tomorrow. Can let you know the feedback. Afterwards will be looking into trans tune