75K DSG Service Question / Poll

[Rbb1485]

Hi All,
My 2012 S4 with DSG is coming up on 75k miles. Therefore I have been shopping around for prices at reputable independent Audi/VW shops in the CT, RI, MA area.

My question is, for those of you who had the DSG 75k service, have you had both external and internal filters changed, or just external? Some of the shops have only quoted me to have external only changed, others have quoted me the option to have both external/internal filters changed.

The prices I am seeing are around $450 for external + fluid, and about $750 for both external/internal + fluid. So the $300 difference comes from having to drop the trans oil pan to access internal filter.

Thanks!

Note: The regularly scheduled 35K DSG service was completed.

part# external: 0B5325330A
part # internal: 0B5325429E

[SwankP3RF3ct10n]

If you've not ever changed the internal and it's the factory one, I'd go ahead and change it. It's a large filter and I (possibly, don't quote me on it) thought I read somewhere that it was a life long filter and didn't need changing at the factory intervals, but the last time I had the fluid changed in the DSG at like 40kish or so miles, I had them change that filter. The thing is, I know some of the DL501's have an external filter and some don't, but I can't remember where the difference is. I want to say that the first ones did not and then the later units did, but again, don't quote me on that one either. But go ahead and change it at 75k if you're going to keep the car for a while and you wanna make sure everything is done right. Just remember to also get a pan gasket because a new one will need to be installed. Dropping the pan and replacing that filter adds like 15 to the time of the job, so don't let anyone tell you it's another our or some shit like that to do that filter also.

[Rbb1485]

If you've not ever changed the internal and it's the factory one, I'd go ahead and change it. It's a large filter and I (possibly, don't quote me on it) thought I read somewhere that it was a life long filter and didn't need changing at the factory intervals, but the last time I had the fluid changed in the DSG at like 40kish or so miles, I had them change that filter. The thing is, I know some of the DL501's have an external filter and some don't, but I can't remember where the difference is. I want to say that the first ones did not and then the later units did, but again, don't quote me on that one either. But go ahead and change it at 75k if you're going to keep the car for a while and you wanna make sure everything is done right. Just remember to also get a pan gasket because a new one will need to be installed. Dropping the pan and replacing that filter adds like 15 to the time of the job, so don't let anyone tell you it's another our or some shit like that to do that filter also.

Hmm, that is exactly what one company quoted the additional $300 of labor was for, dropping the pan. I can't really quote it as I have never done this job, so guess i'll just have to wait and let prices roll in from a few other shops I am working with and compare. Thanks for your info!

[Rbb1485]

Can anyone else share their experience on the 75K DSG service? The majority of places I have compared so far are around the same....$400-500 for external filter + fluid, and adding around another $300 for dropping the pan and changing internal as well.

On a separate note, have you had your accessory belt, super charger belt changed at this time? The factory maintenance schedule says to "check condition, replace if necessary" for the ribbed V-belt and to "replace only" for the super charger V-belt. Thoughts??

[jsh139]

The crank pulley to S/C pulley belt is supposed to be replaced at 75K. I just replaced mine at 70K, but I also put on a smaller CTS pulley

[B18b1ex]

I was told the supercharger belt is to be changed at the 55k service. My pulley failed a little under 59. That may be why the 75k says "check".

I know the B7 and B6's were 75k, but apparently not B8's.



This confirms it.


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[VenturiRS]

s'wait... if you're tuned and go do your 55k at the dealer, you run the risk of having your *insert tuner* belt switched out for an OEM belt?

[14S4GWM]

s'wait... if you're tuned and go do your 55k at the dealer, you run the risk of having your *insert tuner* belt switched out for an OEM belt?

Aren't the tuner belts oem and same size?

[B18b1ex]

s'wait... if you're tuned and go do your 55k at the dealer, you run the risk of having your *insert tuner* belt switched out for an OEM belt?

You might want to just do that service on your own?


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[MagillaGorilla]

I was told the supercharger belt is to be changed at the 55k service. My pulley failed a little under 59. That may be why the 75k says "check".

I know the B7 and B6's were 75k, but apparently not B8's.


This confirms it.


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The document on Audi's site says 75k.

https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2010.pdf

[z_curtis_s4]

If you've not ever changed the internal and it's the factory one, I'd go ahead and change it. It's a large filter and I (possibly, don't quote me on it) thought I read somewhere that it was a life long filter and didn't need changing at the factory intervals, but the last time I had the fluid changed in the DSG at like 40kish or so miles, I had them change that filter. The thing is, I know some of the DL501's have an external filter and some don't, but I can't remember where the difference is. I want to say that the first ones did not and then the later units did, but again, don't quote me on that one either. But go ahead and change it at 75k if you're going to keep the car for a while and you wanna make sure everything is done right. Just remember to also get a pan gasket because a new one will need to be installed. Dropping the pan and replacing that filter adds like 15 to the time of the job, so don't let anyone tell you it's another our or some shit like that to do that filter also.

So I'm about to get my DSG fluid changed tomorrow for a quote of $500. I'm guessing that's for external filter and fluids only. After seeing this I'll ask the shop tom if that includes changing the "internal" filter as well. Just curious does the 35k service recommended to change both the internal and external DSG filters? Also can anyone elaborate why you need to buy a new pan gasket? Thanks in advance

[MagillaGorilla]

Aren't the tuner belts oem and same size?

Yeah. The tensioner can compensate for the smaller pulley.

[z_curtis_s4]

So I'm about to get my DSG fluid changed tomorrow for a quote of $500. I'm guessing that's for external filter and fluids only. After seeing this I'll ask the shop tom if that includes changing the "internal" filter as well. Just curious does the 35k service recommended to change both the internal and external DSG filters? Also can anyone elaborate why you need to buy a new pan gasket? Thanks in advance

Anyone have any thoughts about the paragraph I wrote above??

[14S4GWM]

The document on Audi's site says 75k.

https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2010.pdf

B8.5 must be 55k then
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2014.pdf

[14S4GWM]

Yeah. The tensioner can compensate for the smaller pulley.

That's what I thought

[beans912]

I'm a tech at a shop in bellingham, we don't specialize in audi's but I have extensive experience with them and other european cars. I can ask the service writer tomorrow for an estimate but I'm guessing it'll be close to the quotes you got.

[B18b1ex]

B8.5 must be 55k then
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2014.pdf

I just had the discussion with my old service writer telling him 75k and brought up his service writer thing and showed me for my 2013 it's 55k. So it's funny the same engine have different std's, but some docs say all 3.0t at 55k!


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[MagillaGorilla]

I just had the discussion with my old service writer telling him 75k and brought up his service writer thing and showed me for my 2013 it's 55k. So it's funny the same engine have different std's, but some docs say all 3.0t at 55k!


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FWIW I'm at just under 75k on my 2010 and my belts do not have a single crack or the slightest sign of wear. I'll still replace them though because people smarter than me came up with the interval for a reason.

Also to get back on topic I'm going to call around tomorrow and see what's what on the DSG service. I might throw the circuit repair kit at it and see what happens because I'm having some symptoms of a bad mechatronics unit. I'll let you know how many Canadian pesos it is gonna cost me.

[BlownOne]

Anyone have any thoughts about the paragraph I wrote above??

None of the Audi service intervals include or recommend changing the internal filter, but in my opinion, it should be done in addition to your regular Trans service. My pan had a decent amount of metal on the magnets at 47k miles and needed a good cleaning. You need a new pan gasket because they are a crush type of gasket that can only be used once. Also, I used oem fluids which I also recommend.

Will

[jsh139]

B8.5 must be 55k then
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-Year-2014.pdf

Yeah, it must be different for the B8.5. Not sure why, though. It doesn't appear that Audi updated the maintenance schedule for the B8. My belt at 70K was in very good shape.

[MagillaGorilla]

Just got it done. 1443 CAD.

[scottycs]

I did mine @ 33k for its first change (external filter only), its slightly more difficult than a oil change.

[Silverrotor]

Just got it done. 1443 CAD.

Eternal filter Aswell?

[Silverrotor]

Eternal filter Aswell?

I'm sorry. I meant to say internal filter.

[Militant-Grunt]

For reference guys.


There are two different ATF filter versions depending on the engine and the date of manufacture.
From MY 2011 all vehicles are equipped with a replaceable filter.
Only transmission with a replaceable filter are available as a replacement part, for this reason a vehicle from before MY 2011 may be equipped with a replaceable filter.
The ATF filter must be changed each time the ATF is changed.

The internal filter you guys are thinking about is the ATF suction filter. They got rid of it in later production due to problems with them falling out of the pump, causing all sorts of fun problems. The later cars still have a ATF 'filler' internally, but it does not contain a filter. The external 'pipe' filter is the only filter that needs to be replaced. And it is replaced both during the 35k mile service, and 75k mile service.

[MagillaGorilla]

I'm sorry. I meant to say internal filter.

Nope. Just the standard service.

[I CU2]

For reference guys.


There are two different ATF filter versions depending on the engine and the date of manufacture.
From MY 2011 all vehicles are equipped with a replaceable filter.
Only transmission with a replaceable filter are available as a replacement part, for this reason a vehicle from before MY 2011 may be equipped with a replaceable filter.
The ATF filter must be changed each time the ATF is changed.

The internal filter you guys are thinking about is the ATF suction filter. They got rid of it in later production due to problems with them falling out of the pump, causing all sorts of fun problems. The later cars still have a ATF 'filler' internally, but it does not contain a filter. The external 'pipe' filter is the only filter that needs to be replaced. And it is replaced both during the 35k mile service, and 75k mile service.

Hi,

Looking here it looks like there's some filter material within the suction filter: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...al-Service-DIY

Would you recommend replacing it as a preventative measure anyway even if it's not Audi recommended?

[BlandySanderson]

Charleston Wagen Worx down here in South Carolina does the entire service (including flider fluids and gasket) for 295, best deal around here.

Can anyone else share their experience on the 75K DSG service? The majority of places I have compared so far are around the same....$400-500 for external filter + fluid, and adding around another $300 for dropping the pan and changing internal as well.

On a separate note, have you had your accessory belt, super charger belt changed at this time? The factory maintenance schedule says to "check condition, replace if necessary" for the ribbed V-belt and to "replace only" for the super charger V-belt. Thoughts??

[Phoang1988]

For reference guys.


There are two different ATF filter versions depending on the engine and the date of manufacture.
From MY 2011 all vehicles are equipped with a replaceable filter.
Only transmission with a replaceable filter are available as a replacement part, for this reason a vehicle from before MY 2011 may be equipped with a replaceable filter.
The ATF filter must be changed each time the ATF is changed.

The internal filter you guys are thinking about is the ATF suction filter. They got rid of it in later production due to problems with them falling out of the pump, causing all sorts of fun problems. The later cars still have a ATF 'filler' internally, but it does not contain a filter. The external 'pipe' filter is the only filter that needs to be replaced. And it is replaced both during the 35k mile service, and 75k mile service.

So is this internal filter is just a filler and doesnt actually contain a filter element in newer cars? Just wondering as in my car, the dealer did not replace the internal part at 35k, just the external.

[tsitalon1]

So is this internal filter is just a filler and doesnt actually contain a filter element in newer cars? Just wondering as in my car, the dealer did not replace the internal part at 35k, just the external.

Yes, there is a filter element in the interrnal filter cartridge, I looked as I performed this 2 weeks ago.

[Phoang1988]

Yes, there is a filter element in the interrnal filter cartridge, I looked as I performed this 2 weeks ago.

you opened up the cartridge to see if there is filter element? what year is your car?

[I CU2]

you opened up the cartridge to see if there is filter element? what year is your car?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6f24782b83.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post11750573

It's not in the service book to be changed, is it still best practice to change it?