EPL tune on SQ5, anyone running it?

[LW3]

If so, any info on your impressions, experience or issues you are willing to share?

If stage 2, what pulley did you opt for?

Was leaning towards APR but the $50 charge and > 2 hour round trip per flash got me looking into other tuners. EPL can be flashed at home but there is not a lot of info on the tune for SQ5s.

Thanks

[jpsjr]

Wow, this is going to be a sticky thread....
I looked in to them also but really never found any great feedback from the forum. I personally went with APR because I've used them on every VW/Audi I ever purchased. I know that everyone has their opinions, rightfully so, but I'm a believer of them and feel they are the best option for our cars. Yes, it's a hassle that I can't do my own work or that I can't remove the programs before I go to service, but keep in mind that once you mess with any car, all responsibilities goes on to you. If your a good talker and a loyal dealership customer, the dealership will work with you if things go wrong. Case in point, I had a Jeep SRT8, put a supercharger into it, blew the tranny within the warranty time, dealership helped big time with getting my cost down! If I ever get another Jeep I would use that dealership again in a heartbeat.
Good Luck with your choice and I would recommend APR to anyone I know. Btw, do the Stage 2, it's worth every penny. Brings the beast out of our SQ5's!

Jose

[BG SQ5]

I'm about to make the leap to stage 2 myself. While you can list all sorts of pros/cons for all of the available tuners, at this point I think the pulley is my main concern. With that said, I am pretty much certain I'm going to run a Fluidampr 179mm crank pulley instead of a 57mm s/c pulley. The benefits of a crank pulley that doesn't fail and has improved torsional damping is something that I can really appreciate and is almost enough to sell me. However, the ability to easily swap between stage 1, 2, and dual ratio in 30 mins seals the deal for me on the new iABED/Fluidampr setup.

EPL and Unitronic appear to the only ones that don't require their s/c pulley to be purchased. Even with the current APR sale, stage 2 would cost me ~$1850. GIAC isn't an option due to lack of local dealer but would be $1750 if it was. Unitronic stage 2 is currently $1350. EPL is $1450.

Flash at home is big for me, so that turns into GIAC $1750 (included), Unitronic $1500, and EPL $1650. However, it appears only Uni and EPL can flash back to the original Audi calibration image. Paying a dealer 1/2 hour of labor for every flash (1 hr labor per trip to dealer) is something I also have a very hard time with. Sure- it's money, but it's also such an inconvenience. Along those lines, EPL appears to be the one who is the most concerned and the most confident with the TD1 scenario...even if they aren't resetting the flash counter (neither does Uni).

Icing on the cake is Tony's attention and customer service. He is clearly the tuner who is most concerned and engaged with each of his customers. That's extremely important to me. I want to feel that my tuner cares about how my car is running and is willing to provide support (review logs, tweaks, etc.). I don't need peak numbers (especially if it's pushing limits or removing safety features) as much as I need piece of mind that my expensive vehicle is in good hands. I want reliable, safe power. Not that the other tuners aren't providing that, as I'm sure a lot are. However, I am most confident in Tony based on extensive researching. GIAC is nonexistent around here (and have a horrendous website to boot), and something is just off about Arin /APR that I have trouble trusting. Unitronic I just don't know enough about.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure any of the above reasons are THAT important (aside from the crank pulley), as their seems to be plenty of happy people with each tuner...been reading a ton over on the B8 S4 forum. Ideally, I wish APR let you flash back to the official stock file at home and didn't force you to buy their s/c pulley. I think they have a great facility and are doing legitimate R&D on the platform. They also appear to be the only one with a tune specific to the SQ5...or at least the only one advertising such with the different dyno graphs. However, let's be honest- they haven't released even an update in the last 16 months let alone brought a new product to market for the platform. I'm anxious to see what they have coming and think they have a lot of solid results on the cars out there, but I'll probably be purchasing EPL stage 2 w/fluidampr tomorrow.

[Q5OnTheMove]

I'm about to make the leap to stage 2 myself. While you can list all sorts of pros/cons for all of the available tuners, at this point I think the pulley is my main concern. With that said, I am pretty much certain I'm going to run a Fluidampr 179mm crank pulley instead of a 57mm s/c pulley. The benefits of a crank pulley that doesn't fail and has improved torsional damping is something that I can really appreciate and is almost enough to sell me. However, the ability to easily swap between stage 1, 2, and dual ratio in 30 mins seals the deal for me on the new iABED/Fluidampr setup.

EPL and Unitronic appear to the only ones that don't require their s/c pulley to be purchased. Even with the current APR sale, stage 2 would cost me ~$1850. GIAC isn't an option due to lack of local dealer but would be $1750 if it was. Unitronic stage 2 is currently $1350. EPL is $1450.

Flash at home is big for me, so that turns into GIAC $1750 (included), Unitronic $1500, and EPL $1650. However, it appears only Uni and EPL can flash back to the original Audi calibration image. Paying a dealer 1/2 hour of labor for every flash (1 hr labor per trip to dealer) is something I also have a very hard time with. Sure- it's money, but it's also such an inconvenience. Along those lines, EPL appears to be the one who is the most concerned and the most confident with the TD1 scenario...even if they aren't resetting the flash counter (neither does Uni).

Icing on the cake is Tony's attention and customer service. He is clearly the tuner who is most concerned and engaged with each of his customers. That's extremely important to me. I want to feel that my tuner cares about how my car is running and is willing to provide support (review logs, tweaks, etc.). I don't need peak numbers (especially if it's pushing limits or removing safety features) as much as I need piece of mind that my expensive vehicle is in good hands. I want reliable, safe power. Not that the other tuners aren't providing that, as I'm sure a lot are. However, I am most confident in Tony based on extensive researching. GIAC is nonexistent around here (and have a horrendous website to boot), and something is just off about Arin /APR that I have trouble trusting. Unitronic I just don't know enough about.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure any of the above reasons are THAT important (aside from the crank pulley), as their seems to be plenty of happy people with each tuner...been reading a ton over on the B8 S4 forum. Ideally, I wish APR let you flash back to the official stock file at home and didn't force you to buy their s/c pulley. I think they have a great facility and are doing legitimate R&D on the platform. They also appear to be the only one with a tune specific to the SQ5...or at least the only one advertising such with the different dyno graphs. However, let's be honest- they haven't released even an update in the last 16 months let alone brought a new product to market for the platform. I'm anxious to see what they have coming and think they have a lot of solid results on the cars out there, but I'll probably be purchasing EPL stage 2 w/fluidampr tomorrow.

Just an fyi that GIAC Can certainly be flashed back to stock. Check the foruks for folks whom have done it.

[BG SQ5]

Just an fyi that GIAC Can certainly be flashed back to stock. Check the foruks for folks whom have done it.

At a GIAC dealer maybe (same with APR), but not on the handheld. You might be able to get away without a TD1, but it's not the true stock mirror. GIACs program switching is still installed on the ecu. That's why it has to be bench flashed at a dealer in the first place. Straight from the horse's mouth...http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...ort-flash.html

Forgot to mention before that EPL lets you sell your tune for a $250 transfer fee, which is nice. Sorry, now onto the OP and those that actually have an EPL tune...

[riceboy22]

@BG SQ5, I was making a similar choice a couple of months ago, but I went in the opposite direction from what it sounds like you've decided to do. I actually live close enough to EPL that I could probably make it into their shop, and I talked a bit with Tony and definitely appreciate the attentive and customized service they can provide. From my perspective though, I felt like EPL was actually going to be a less "safe" choice (to clarify, that doesn't mean I thought it was unsafe). If I was trying to make max power with what's available now, I'd probably have gone with EPL because they will customize your tune. That cuts both ways though. If they're tweaking tunes on-the-fly, then your car is ultimately a test subject as well, since you're running something that hasn't been otherwise fully tested. EPL also just doesn't have the same resources available to them for R&D and testing. I ultimately felt more comfortable knowing that OTS 3.0T tunes like APR and GIAC have been so thoroughly tested and run on so many cars at this point that most of the issues have been worked out. And when they release an update, that's generally going through that same testing process as well before it gets to my car. I know that's not 100% of course, but the amount of in-house and beta testing they do helps reduce the risk to your car at the end of the day. I'm not saying one choice or the other is "right" but figured I'd share my perspective.

For TD1, I've seen posts and exchanged messages with various tuners on it. APR seems to be about as thorough as you can be as far as resetting things to be as close to TD1-proof as possible. I know the current assumption is that flash count doesn't matter, but I'd personally prefer to and expect tuners to reset as much as possible to stock even if it's not part of the current flagging process. Sean@APR has posted some pretty informative stuff about what they do to reset everything and also has been transparent about the times when APR-tuned cars have been flagged. There's so many possible reasons you could end up getting flagged though that you just need to be prepared for the possibility no matter what anyway.

[Chris@EPL]

We have most box codes and software versions and unlike others will not flash a car until we have the full OEM file and exact software version, not just s "stock" power file or a stock file. But your exact stock OEM file and version that was on your car. We have been doing lots of Dual pulley, Dual pulley E85, 91, 93, 100 and 104 developments lately and once the temps go down in CA will probably have the fastest SQ5/Q5 in the USA if not the world. We also will soon have some more interesting possible TCU upgrades for the SQ5/Q5/Q7. We would like to verify customer's box codes prior to order either via VAGCOM or we can send out our flashing cable to get the ECU info.

[BG SQ5]

@BG SQ5, I was making a similar choice a couple of months ago, but I went in the opposite direction from what it sounds like you've decided to do. I actually live close enough to EPL that I could probably make it into their shop, and I talked a bit with Tony and definitely appreciate the attentive and customized service they can provide. From my perspective though, I felt like EPL was actually going to be a less "safe" choice (to clarify, that doesn't mean I thought it was unsafe). If I was trying to make max power with what's available now, I'd probably have gone with EPL because they will customize your tune. That cuts both ways though. If they're tweaking tunes on-the-fly, then your car is ultimately a test subject as well, since you're running something that hasn't been otherwise fully tested. EPL also just doesn't have the same resources available to them for R&D and testing. I ultimately felt more comfortable knowing that OTS 3.0T tunes like APR and GIAC have been so thoroughly tested and run on so many cars at this point that most of the issues have been worked out. And when they release an update, that's generally going through that same testing process as well before it gets to my car. I know that's not 100% of course, but the amount of in-house and beta testing they do helps reduce the risk to your car at the end of the day. I'm not saying one choice or the other is "right" but figured I'd share my perspective.

For TD1, I've seen posts and exchanged messages with various tuners on it. APR seems to be about as thorough as you can be as far as resetting things to be as close to TD1-proof as possible. I know the current assumption is that flash count doesn't matter, but I'd personally prefer to and expect tuners to reset as much as possible to stock even if it's not part of the current flagging process. Sean@APR has posted some pretty informative stuff about what they do to reset everything and also has been transparent about the times when APR-tuned cars have been flagged. There's so many possible reasons you could end up getting flagged though that you just need to be prepared for the possibility no matter what anyway.

You're killing me!! Like pretty much everything you say, I agree...and now you're playing on APR strings. Like I said- ideally I'd like to go with APR just based on their resources (I come from a serious, corporate R&D background). Hell, I'd love to work for them, but who lives in Al?! But, it's weighing all the pros/cons, as they all have something to be desired. When I think of safety, I think if my car is running a little too lean, aggressive or something is off. Tony will review and tweak, but getting APR to do something like that is not trivial, if it's even possible. I really need to either call Chris and order EPL stage 2 or swing by the local dealer and get APR stage 1 flash this afternoon before their deals are over.

[riceboy22]

LOL. I'm glad we can have actual adult discussions in this section of the forum unlike the madness in the B8 S4 APR teaser thread.

It is a nice benefit with EPL that you get pretty much a direct line to Tony if you log something that appears to be a problem. I still think though that the most important thing is having a good indy shop that can help you to diagnose problems. If you're running a tune that's been tested on the platform, my thinking is that most issues you'd log would be indicators of other underlying problems with the car or external factors.

I honestly don't think there's a wrong way to go. You'll be happy either way. Just do it!

[Chris@EPL]

With us it is more of getting the most out of your tune and the mods done to the car based on logs. Where other shops can't do that they have to make the tunes work for every car the same when there is the ability to fine tune more based on what the car is actually doing.

[mmth_ski_bum]

We have most box codes and software versions and unlike others will not flash a car until we have the full OEM file and exact software version, not just s "stock" power file or a stock file. But your exact stock OEM file and version that was on your car. We have been doing lots of Dual pulley, Dual pulley E85, 91, 93, 100 and 104 developments lately and once the temps go down in CA will probably have the fastest SQ5/Q5 in the USA if not the world. We also will soon have some more interesting possible TCU upgrades for the SQ5/Q5/Q7. We would like to verify customer's box codes prior to order either via VAGCOM or we can send out our flashing cable to get the ECU info.

Sure, go ahead and tease us with TCU magic!!

In all seriousness, nobody has touched the TCU on this platform and it's disappointing that we don't get the same treatment as the S4/S5 guys. I know it's apples vs/ oranges, DSG vs. Slushbox, but this would serious sway me if I were making this decision again. This platform desperately needs a TCU flash, not a VAG COM hack that may or may not send you into limp mode if you don't upshift at the right time. I don't think any Tuner's OTS Stage 2 map is unsafe at this point, the platform and powertrain has been around for long enough with lots of Community R&D...but if you're going to push the limits (E85, Dual Pulley, etc...) then a personal touch is definitely a must in my book.

Regardless of which way you go, most shops I know of in my area aren't going to charge you for a reflash, or will have a one time "upgrade" at the time of purchase for lifetime flashes. If they're not offering you that to create a loyal customer, then I would look elsewhere, because the reality is the mod bug hits hard once you start with a tune or suspension or anything else, they should want to retain your business instead of just churning and burning customers.

[spijun]

We have most box codes and software versions and unlike others will not flash a car until we have the full OEM file and exact software version, not just s "stock" power file or a stock file. But your exact stock OEM file and version that was on your car. We have been doing lots of Dual pulley, Dual pulley E85, 91, 93, 100 and 104 developments lately and once the temps go down in CA will probably have the fastest SQ5/Q5 in the USA if not the world. We also will soon have some more interesting possible TCU upgrades for the SQ5/Q5/Q7. We would like to verify customer's box codes prior to order either via VAGCOM or we can send out our flashing cable to get the ECU info.

You have a better and faster than this ?
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...fsi/index.html
http://www.mtm-online.de/en/Audi/SQ5...T=msq5354440qc
http://www.abt-sportsline.de/en/audi...ne-technology/

Or maybe something like this
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...fsi/index.html

FYI SQ 3.0TDI with 313PS 650 Nm is faster than SQ5 3.0TFSI with 354PS 470 Nm, of course, because much larger torque, imagine then 305 kW / 415PS / 825 Nm
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...tdi/index.html
Being faster than this would have to have a minimum of 510PS and 650 Nm approximately - mission impossible on 3.0TFSI w/o Twin Turbo

[OneBadSS]

We have most box codes and software versions and unlike others will not flash a car until we have the full OEM file and exact software version, not just s "stock" power file or a stock file. But your exact stock OEM file and version that was on your car.

While the wait has been quite frustrating, I can attest to this comment from Chris. I've been running their tune on my S5 for a couple months now without issue and plan to do the same on our SQ once they have the current OEM file that it received during the 25k service at the dealer a couple weeks back.

[colby7]

You have a better and faster than this ?
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...fsi/index.html
http://www.mtm-online.de/en/Audi/SQ5...T=msq5354440qc
http://www.abt-sportsline.de/en/audi...ne-technology/

Or maybe something like this
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...fsi/index.html

FYI SQ 3.0TDI with 313PS 650 Nm is faster than SQ5 3.0TFSI with 354PS 470 Nm, of course, because much larger torque, imagine then 305 kW / 415PS / 825 Nm
http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...tdi/index.html
Being faster than this would have to have a minimum of 510PS and 650 Nm approximately - mission impossible on 3.0TFSI w/o Twin Turbo

Are there any 1/4 mile times for these tunes? I'm interested too see how fast they go.

[colby7]

I found a YouTube clip of a APR tuned TDI SQ5 that cut an insane 1.58 60ft. I'm not even sure S4 TFSIs can do that. The problem is it doesn't have the horsepower for the top end. It ran a 12.135, which is really good, but not record setting.

[spijun]

Are there any 1/4 mile times for these tunes? I'm interested too see how fast they go.

In Europe it is not used often ( 1/4 mile times)

For previous generation of engines 3.0BiTDI 313PS/650Nm B&B tuning – 294kW/400PS/800Nm from 0-100 km/h in 4.5 seconds, top speed of 275 km/h
http://www.motor1.com/news/40698/aud...-400-hp-by-bb/

[Q5OnTheMove]

At a GIAC dealer maybe (same with APR), but not on the handheld. You might be able to get away without a TD1, but it's not the true stock mirror. GIACs program switching is still installed on the ecu. That's why it has to be bench flashed at a dealer in the first place. Straight from the horse's mouth...http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...ort-flash.html

Forgot to mention before that EPL lets you sell your tune for a $250 transfer fee, which is nice. Sorry, now onto the OP and those that actually have an EPL tune...

Correct, that handheld switcher places the stock tune on your ecu but not a reset of the programming on the ecu. None the less, find yourself an awesome dealer for this and other things you want done on your car.


I also wont be visiting audi except for maintenance so i habe no problem heading to Induktion Motorsports once in a blue moon for a quick reflash.

[Chris@EPL]

FYI we have secured the new hard to find SQ5 OEM ECU file and will have the OEM and tuned files ready late this week or early next week. Most if not all newer still dealer serviced SQ5's are probably running this file.

[spijun]

FYI: ABT have all OEM ECU file and even in their work they use OEM ECU processors (plug and play ECU)

What happened with the information for the fastest SQ5 / Q5 and the USA if not the world ?

[Chris@EPL]

I think he is waiting for less than 90 degree temps to run and yes maybe not in the world, but certainly will be in the running for the fastest 3.0T Q5 in the USA.

[Chris@EPL]

For a limited time we are doing a Back to school sale time. For a limited time we are doing a deal on Stage 1 3.0T tunes and cables for B8S4, B8.5S4, B8.5S5, Q5, SQ5, A6, A7 and more.

Stage 1 with a flash cable for $1048 shipped in the USA.

Stage 2 with SC pulley, belt and flashing cable for $1748 shipped in the USA.

Message or email me at [email protected] for other quotes for Stage 2, Dual pulley, E85, DSG TCU tune, etc

[Shaggymatt]

Thanks for the help today Chris. Didn't have much free time tonight, but tomorrow after work I will. Should be adapted by then too.

Ran a 4.88 0-60 recorded by a phone app prior to applying the stage 1. I'll try again on the same stretch of road.


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[colby7]

In Europe it is not used often ( 1/4 mile times)

For previous generation of engines 3.0BiTDI 313PS/650Nm B&B tuning – 294kW/400PS/800Nm from 0-100 km/h in 4.5 seconds, top speed of 275 km/h
http://www.motor1.com/news/40698/aud...-400-hp-by-bb/

I ran a 4.09 0-60 at the drag strip tonight. I clocked it with my VBox, which is consistent, and conservative. All of my VBox 1/4 mile times were consistently .03 slower than the official times on the time slips.

[sshah]

I ran a 4.09 0-60 at the drag strip tonight. I clocked it with my VBox, which is consistent, and conservative. All of my VBox 1/4 mile times were consistently .03 slower than the official times on the time slips.

With stage 2 epl?


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[colby7]

With stage 2 epl?


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EPL's dual pulley E85 tune.

[spijun]

I ran a 4.09 0-60 at the drag strip tonight. I clocked it with my VBox, which is consistent, and conservative. All of my VBox 1/4 mile times were consistently .03 slower than the official times on the time slips.

Congratulations, but .....
Sorry but to me it incredibly and here's why:

These are just some examples of similar times
Audi A7's 3993 cc (243.6 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 552 bhp (411 kW) @ 5700 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.1 seconds

Porsche Panamera 4806 cc (293.2 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 512 bhp (381 kW) @ 6000 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.0 second

BMW 6 Series 4395 cc (268.1 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 552 bhp (411 kW) @ 6000 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.1 seconds

BMW 5 Series Power M5 4395 cc (268.1 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 567 bhp (422 kW) @ 6000 rpm Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.1 seconds

Audi A8 S8 3993 cc (243.6 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 512 bhp (381 kW) @ 5800 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.0 seconds

Bentley Continental 5998 cc (366.0 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 626 bhp (466 kW) @ 6000 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.0 seconds

Mercedes CLS Class 5461 cc (333.2 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 550 bhp (410 kW) @ 5250 rpm. Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.0 seconds

Mercedes-Benz GLE63 S AMG , 5.5-liter twin-turbo V8 577bhp Acceleration 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 4.2 seconds


Achieved time 4,09s , the ratio of weight / horsepower, aerodynamics of vehicles your SQ5 has more than 550 HP from the engine 3.0 - I doubt that it is possible

[colby7]

I think you're going to have to accept the time, as it's accurate. In fact, it's a bit conservative, and here's why:

I clocked the 4.09 during a 1/4 run at an NHRA track. My VBox logged the splits of the 1/4 mile run so I could compare them to the NHRA track's laser times for accuracy. All of the VBox times are slightly SLOWER than the NHRA track times. Here they are:

NHRA Track Times:

60ft: 1.841
330ft: 5.139
660ft: 7.889
1000ft: 10.283
1/4 mile: 12.328

VBox times:

60ft: 1.90 (.059 slower)
330ft: 5.16 (.021 slower)
660ft: 7.91 (.021 slower)
1000ft: 10.31 (.027 slower)
1/4 mile: 12.36 (.032 slower)

The VBox times are consistent with the NHRA track times, and all on the conservative side. In fact my Q5 was a bit heat soaked on the run. It will be interesting to see how fast it can go once we get out of the summer, and into "boost season".

[Chris@EPL]

And we have B8S4 customers running 3.5 to 4.0 0-60 times as well.

[spijun]

And we have B8S4 customers running 3.5 to 4.0 0-60 times as well.

NO COMMENT:

Aston-Martin Vantage Power: The Vantage's 5935 cc (362.1 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 591 bhp (440 kW) @ 7000 rpm. 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.5 seconds

Audi R8 Plus S-Tronic 5.2 V10 5204 cc (317.5 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 542 bhp (404 kW) @ 8000 rpm. 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.5 seconds

Audi A6 RS6 or RS7 Power: 3993 cc (243.6 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 597 bhp (445 kW) @ 6100 rpm 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.6 seconds

Ferrari California Power: The California's 3855 cc (235.2 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 552 bhp (411 kW) @ 7500 rpm. 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.5 seconds

Pagani Huayra Power: The Huayra's 5980 cc (364.9 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 700 bhp (521 kW) @ 6300 rpm. 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.5 seconds

BMW 6 Series Power: The 6 Series's 4395 cc (268.1 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 592 bhp (441 kW) @ 6000 rpm 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.8 seconds


S4 with your tuning, faster than RS6 / RS7 - I'm sorry but just cannot believe

[spijun]

I think you're going to have to accept the time, as it's accurate. In fact, it's a bit conservative, and here's why:

I clocked the 4.09 during a 1/4 run at an NHRA track. My VBox logged the splits of the 1/4 mile run so I could compare them to the NHRA track's laser times for accuracy. All of the VBox times are slightly SLOWER than the NHRA track times. Here they are:

NHRA Track Times:

60ft: 1.841
330ft: 5.139
660ft: 7.889
1000ft: 10.283
1/4 mile: 12.328

VBox times:

60ft: 1.90 (.059 slower)
330ft: 5.16 (.021 slower)
660ft: 7.91 (.021 slower)
1000ft: 10.31 (.027 slower)
1/4 mile: 12.36 (.032 slower)

The VBox times are consistent with the NHRA track times, and all on the conservative side. In fact my Q5 was a bit heat soaked on the run. It will be interesting to see how fast it can go once we get out of the summer, and into "boost season".

Porsche Cayenne Power: The Cayenne's 4806 cc (293.2 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 562 bhp (419 kW) @ 6000 rpm.
Porsche Cayenne Acceleration: This Cayenne reaches 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.8 seconds and can cover a 1/4 mile in an estimated 12.48 seconds.

If you have on 1/4 mile: 12.36s it is faster than a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S 4.8 V8. Congratulations

[Chris@EPL]

Yes and from our in house dyno earlier this year we had a dual pulley E85 B8S4 with a 178mm crank pulley with 445whp assuming the normal 20% drivetrain loss that would be 534 bhp and those cars have launch control. Not sure how many of the other cars that you have listed have launch control and with our DSG TCU tune the LC is set at 4000RPMs so yes the times make sense. Now we have a lot more dual pulley development and have larger dampered crank pulleys as well. Also those S4's are running 11.4 to 12.0 sec 1/4 mile times as well. And every car you listed is probably also a lot larger ie heavier than the S4.

[colby7]

Porsche Cayenne Power: The Cayenne's 4806 cc (293.2 ci) engine reaches its peak power of 562 bhp (419 kW) @ 6000 rpm.
Porsche Cayenne Acceleration: This Cayenne reaches 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.8 seconds and can cover a 1/4 mile in an estimated 12.48 seconds.

If you have on 1/4 mile: 12.36s it is faster than a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S 4.8 V8. Congratulations

That wasn't even my fastest pass of the day. Here's my fastest pass (12.291). Unfortunately I didn't get my VBox set up in time for this run as it included a slightly faster launch.

[spijun]

Yes and from our in house dyno earlier this year we had a dual pulley E85 B8S4 with a 178mm crank pulley with 445whp assuming the normal 20% drivetrain loss that would be 534 bhp and those cars have launch control. Not sure how many of the other cars that you have listed have launch control and with our DSG TCU tune the LC is set at 4000RPMs so yes the times make sense. Now we have a lot more dual pulley development and have larger dampered crank pulleys as well. Also those S4's are running 11.4 to 12.0 sec 1/4 mile times as well. And every car you listed is probably also a lot larger ie heavier than the S4.

I do not want to get into a discussion with you

http://www.mtm-online.de/en/Audi/S4-...m3s4333460qmvf

http://www.bb-automobiltechnik.de/de...fsi/index.html

http://www.abt-configurator.com/de/A.../8K2/30TFSI333

Some of the leading European tuning companies offer max tuning of 430-460hp with much lower performances than of your, strange is not it

[BlackSVT]

spijun, I think you are missing one incredibly big point in all of your comparisons - the 8-speed auto, with advantage of torque converter launch, plus AWD, plus really low gearing is one hell of an advantage over a higher power RWD car on 0-60 and to a lesser extent 1/4 mile. Look at all the time slips for tuned S/Q5s, the MPH isn't that high (indicating lower hp), but the 60' time's are incredibly consistent and low. That indicates a really hard, efficient, repeatable launch - necessary for really low 0-60 times and good 1/4 mile. Put racing slicks on most of those cars you mention, and the times are going to get much lower. Put racing slicks on the S/Q5? Ain't gonna make much difference. It's doing everything it can already.

You can dispute it, but hp only counts if you can put it all to the ground, and this platform is one of the best I've seen, stock, for making the most of any power under the hood.

[spijun]

BlackSVT FYI all RS models have quattro drive and 8-speed auto same as SQ5

Porsche Cayenne 8 speed/ Auto gearbox with the power being delivered through it's AWD system , Porsche Panamera 7 speed/ Auto gearbox AWD system

BMW has seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox and active limited-slip differential

R8 has quattro with S-tronic ( not standard from other Audi models) price for S-tronic R8 cca 25.000 EUR , for other model 7-9.000EUR

Bentley Continental Transmission has a 8 speed/ Auto gearbox with the power being delivered through it's AWD system.


Do not forget that the most important torque
SQ 3.0TDI with 313PS 650 Nm is faster than SQ5 3.0TFSI with 354PS 470 Nm

[phs0316]

This is interesting and common problem with Keyboard warriors.. what you see on date or MAGAZINE is not the same as real life... you can read all about porsche or whatever and think you know about the car.... spijun.. please get out of magazine or keyboard and start to get some hands on real nice car...

[colby7]

I figured I should post in here for the EPL folks: Last night I ran a 12.19 @ 110.94 in a 1200 DA. My 0-60 on the run was 4.05 (VBox). Here's the timeslip:

[Chris@EPL]

Nice time Colby, you will be in the 11s in no time.

[rgvsq5]

My best 0-60 in my SQ5 which was recorded using P3 gauge (not sure on the accuracy of this), is 3.97. However I've never been able to get sub 4 second 0-60 again. Using "launch control"... 0-60 times are consistent 4.03-4.07 range.

Without "launch control"... Consistent 4.3'ish

[Tony@EPL]

Nice time Colby, you will be in the 11s in no time.

I agree! The logs Colby just sent still have some "room" left in them. I love seeing things go fast when they are no were near their limits. Congrats Colby!