Stage 3 B5 E85 vs Stage 2 B8 on race gas

[01audia4]

***B8 isn't on race gas it's on E85 / 93 mix using the race gas file, I left the keyword "file" out of the title now I can't edit it.***

Well since Andrew's FTG car is slow as shit I needed to get some redemption for the B5. On the first pull we basically hit a ramp, my car / suspension didn't like it to much and TC freaked out.

I had a passenger in my car, B8 did not. We only got one really good pull, we'll meet up sometime in the future and wind out the gears - for now.

B8 Car:



My Car:



On a side note, i'll be leaving the B5 scene soon after 8 years - Jesse's car has made me want to get a B8.

[mikeb17]

What's your build? Nice pulls btw. Which stage 2 tune is he running?

[01audia4]

What's your build? Nice pulls btw. Which stage 2 tune is he running?

No build on my car, stock motor - F21 Daz tuned E85. Plain Jane.

B8 is DSG w/ the GIAC tune.

[christianb5s4]

Great pulls guys, makes me even more excited to get on that corn juice life. Don't give up on the B5 yet!

[01audia4]

Great pulls guys, makes me even more excited to get on that corn juice life. Don't give up on the B5 yet!

I love E85, whenever I have to switch back to pump I hate driving my car - sucks that my local E85 station is 20 miles away.

Don't get me wrong, I love my B5, I have since my first one, however I drive my car maybe 10k miles a year - I am tired of getting into my B5 that has to Tri-pod to get up my driveway because my RSB, creeks over bumps, worries about CV boots, valve cover gaskets, and turbos - thing is, it's just old. I will miss the countless hours of just wrenching on it because i'm bored - but i'm sure i'll be able to do that with the B8. It's time for a newer car, doesn't matter if it's slower - just time for an update.

[christianb5s4]

I definitely know what you mean, that's one thing that I can see making it hard to hang onto these cars long term like some of you. There's never not something to do with B5s, versus newer cars being less work just to keep on the road. Just sad to see some of the OGs leave the platform.

[vavJETTAw36]

My first car I paid for in cash back in 2002, Mk3 Jetta VR6. I purchased the B5 in 2011 under credit and paid it all off the following year. My wife keeps trying to talk me into buying some large new vehicle like a Q5 or something. Its just her and I and we own 2000 Expedition, 2006 Jetta, 2000 S4, 2001 S4... Whats with people trying to borrow money to drive newer cars? Sure, if you can pay for it and not have to borrow money, that is completely understandable.

I love that I can take that a portion of that $500 that I would be spending per month on a newer car and put it towards my B5 if I want. Or if I want, I can put it in the bank.

[01audia4]

I definitely know what you mean, that's one thing that I can see making it hard to hang onto these cars long term like some of you. There's never not something to do with B5s, versus newer cars being less work just to keep on the road. Just sad to see some of the OGs leave the platform.

I would hang onto the S4, but I know I would rarely drive it over the B8 - I would keep it if it was Noggy and go big power, but silver and spending a boat ton of money on engine work just doesn't do anything for me; and at this time, i'm not interested in buying a roller and swapping everything over. It's like this -if i had a Noggy avant, I would keep it and build it, I don't so i'll sell my silver eventually.

I also don't plan on leaving the B5 scene immediately, first I have to find the right B8 which is proving to be pretty difficult, I need the sport diff w/o the Audi Adaptive damping w/ the correct interior I want - also I really think I want a manual again (even though they can't hold much power stock) so this search is proving to be a bit difficult on a local level.

My first car I paid for in cash back in 2002, Mk3 Jetta VR6. I purchased the B5 in 2011 under credit and paid it all off the following year. My wife keeps trying to talk me into buying some large new vehicle like a Q5 or something. Its just her and I and we own 2000 Expedition, 2006 Jetta, 2000 S4, 2001 S4... Whats with people trying to borrow money to drive newer cars? Sure, if you can pay for it and not have to borrow money, that is completely understandable.

I love that I can take that a portion of that $500 that I would be spending per month on a newer car and put it towards my B5 if I want. Or if I want, I can put it in the bank.

All my cars have been cash - no one said anything about needing to borrow money to buy a B8...In any regard,even if you CAN buy outright, in most cases if done right your credit will reflect better with a loan / mortgage.

Also, don't know why you own that many cars, seems pointless to me between two people - even if you have kids. Why not sell all your cars and have two nice ones? I agree with your wife.

[redline380]

Also, don't know why you own that many cars, seems pointless to me between two people - even if you have kids. Why not sell all your cars and have two nice ones? I agree with your wife.

Whats wrong with having multiple cars? The more the merrier!

[01audia4]

Whats wrong with having multiple cars? The more the merrier!

Sorry - I was trying not to be mean. Trust me - I will eventually have more cars then the days in the week, but they will all be nice, some collectible some not. But for someone who is driving 3 cars from the 2000's and 1 from 2006 - why not get two new cars - or 1 nice one and sell two old ones?

To each their own - I am not telling anyone how to live, that is my own personal opinion I could care less if he had 7 Daewoo's, if that's what makes him happy can't trash talk that.

Either way - we digress from the actual topic at hand - A b5 beating a b8, I think we can all cheers to that.

[redline380]

Either way - we digress from the actual topic at hand - A b5 beating a b8, I think we can all cheers to that.

I mostly brought that up because I own three b5's, my fiance owns a B8. My a4 can beat her a4!

Give me $20k to waste on cars, and I'll come back with some pretty cool shit. Multiple cars of course. Others would go out and get soemthing new. Not saying I wouldn't get something new eventually, but at this point in my life I'd rather have multiple cars instead of a newer chevy or something.

[01audia4]

I mostly brought that up because I own three b5's, my fiance owns a B8. My a4 can beat her a4!

Give me $20k to waste on cars, and I'll come back with some pretty cool shit. Multiple cars of course. Others would go out and get soemthing new. Not saying I wouldn't get something new eventually, but at this point in my life I'd rather have multiple cars instead of a newer chevy or something.

20k to waste on cars yes - but most people don't have 20k in their bank account, especially in the B5 sections so lets not get ahead of ourselves.

I rent a car for work twice a month, I don't know about you but I love the new Chevy Tahoe / Suburbans. I would get one in an instant if I didn't have a love for a nimble fast car; and right now in my life, I have no use for two cars.

[christianb5s4]

I would hang onto the S4, but I know I would rarely drive it over the B8 - I would keep it if it was Noggy and go big power, but silver and spending a boat ton of money on engine work just doesn't do anything for me; and at this time, i'm not interested in buying a roller and swapping everything over. It's like this -if i had a Noggy avant, I would keep it and build it, I don't so i'll sell my silver eventually.

I also don't plan on leaving the B5 scene immediately, first I have to find the right B8 which is proving to be pretty difficult, I need the sport diff w/o the Audi Adaptive damping w/ the correct interior I want - also I really think I want a manual again (even though they can't hold much power stock) so this search is proving to be a bit difficult on a local level.

Totally, understand that completely. It would be great if you end up keeping the B5 as well, there's definitely a pleasure in driving a car that is more effortless and less taxing to keep on the road. My next car is going to be a 997 turbo, but B5 S4s have a way of getting under your skin and can't explain exactly why.

[redline380]

I rent a car for work twice a month, I don't know about you but I love the new Chevy Tahoe / Suburbans. I would get one in an instant if I didn't have a love for a nimble fast car; and right now in my life, I have no use for two cars.

Whoa, I was talking cars, not trucks. For a SUV, hands down it would be a tahoe/subby.

I have no use for 3 cars, but I still got em. Looking at acquiring another b5 s4 if I can, this time an avant. But my offer is at $500, so why not? 2/3 of the cars I own could be sold for profit easily, which is kind of my rule with cars. Dont buy something I can't make money on. The one I couldnt make money on is my project car that will never be sold

[Audi9]

Nice job handling the b8.

So is the b5 your only car/daily? If that's the case why not get the b8 s4 (or even a nice a4) to be the nicer daily and keep the b5? We all know you're going to miss it and eventually come back. Everybody does haha

[brandon91891]

whoa 55 seconds didn't notice that truck pull out the first time

[88ninety9]

I would hang onto the S4, but I know I would rarely drive it over the B8 - I would keep it if it was Noggy and go big power, but silver and spending a boat ton of money on engine work just doesn't do anything for me; and at this time, i'm not interested in buying a roller and swapping everything over. It's like this -if i had a Noggy avant, I would keep it and build it, I don't so i'll sell my silver eventually.

I also don't plan on leaving the B5 scene immediately, first I have to find the right B8 which is proving to be pretty difficult, I need the sport diff w/o the Audi Adaptive damping w/ the correct interior I want - also I really think I want a manual again (even though they can't hold much power stock) so this search is proving to be a bit difficult on a local level.

All my cars have been cash - no one said anything about needing to borrow money to buy a B8...In any regard,even if you CAN buy outright, in most cases if done right your credit will reflect better with a loan / mortgage.

Also, don't know why you own that many cars, seems pointless to me between two people - even if you have kids. Why not sell all your cars and have two nice ones? I agree with your wife.

I was also looking at local b8 s4's, and finding that right combination has served quite difficult for me as well.

[S4James]

thats more like it.

[01audia4]

Nice job handling the b8.

So is the b5 your only car/daily? If that's the case why not get the b8 s4 (or even a nice a4) to be the nicer daily and keep the b5? We all know you're going to miss it and eventually come back. Everybody does haha

It is my "daily" however I don't drive it daily at all - even weekly. I work from home, and travel for work quite frequently so I rent something. I'll probably put about 8k miles on my "daily". Really a lease takeover is perfect for me, should I find the right S4.

I was also looking at local b8 s4's, and finding that right combination has served quite difficult for me as well.

For real, why did so many people buy an S4 without a sports diff!!!

thats more like it.

[vavJETTAw36]

I would hang onto the S4, but I know I would rarely drive it over the B8 - I would keep it if it was Noggy and go big power, but silver and spending a boat ton of money on engine work just doesn't do anything for me; and at this time, i'm not interested in buying a roller and swapping everything over. It's like this -if i had a Noggy avant, I would keep it and build it, I don't so i'll sell my silver eventually.

I also don't plan on leaving the B5 scene immediately, first I have to find the right B8 which is proving to be pretty difficult, I need the sport diff w/o the Audi Adaptive damping w/ the correct interior I want - also I really think I want a manual again (even though they can't hold much power stock) so this search is proving to be a bit difficult on a local level.

All my cars have been cash - no one said anything about needing to borrow money to buy a B8...In any regard,even if you CAN buy outright, in most cases if done right your credit will reflect better with a loan / mortgage.

Also, don't know why you own that many cars, seems pointless to me between two people - even if you have kids. Why not sell all your cars and have two nice ones? I agree with your wife.

Sorry I didn't mean to infer that you were borrowing under credit. I was just generalizing the vast majority of people and making a point that it's nice to own older cars. No car payment and more car for the money, less property taxes, cheaper repairs, it's a no brainier.

But I get it, it's nice to drive in something more modern and solid feeling. Nice b8 btw


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[Yuppie]

I also don't plan on leaving the B5 scene immediately, first I have to find the right B8 which is proving to be pretty difficult, I need the sport diff w/o the Audi Adaptive damping w/ the correct interior I want - also I really think I want a manual again (even though they can't hold much power stock) so this search is proving to be a bit difficult on a local level.

Great run! DSG holds more power then the 6spd?

[LINDW4LL]

Great run! DSG holds more power then the 6spd?

Yeah, it's just the stock clutch setup that's not up to the task. It will start to slip quickly with any launching or abuse, especially if tuned.

DSGs are super stout from a power-holding perspective. The clutch packs can basically take seemingly unlimited abuse at the currently achievable power levels, hundreds of launches, etc... I've only heard of one guy having a DSG clutch pack issue, ever, and he was stock... (obviously a defect).

[Yuppie]

Yeah, it's just the stock clutch setup that's not up to the task. It will start to slip quickly with any launching or abuse, especially if tuned.

DSGs are super stout from a power-holding perspective. The clutch packs can basically take seemingly unlimited abuse at the currently achievable power levels, hundreds of launches, etc... I've only heard of one guy having a DSG clutch pack issue, ever, and he was stock... (obviously a defect).

Thank you for the info. They don't have options for better clutch kit for the 6spd?

[LINDW4LL]

Thank you for the info. They don't have options for better clutch kit for the 6spd?

They do have plenty of aftermarket clutch options available.

He was just speaking to the factory clutch.

[Monty23]

Yeah, it's just the stock clutch setup that's not up to the task. It will start to slip quickly with any launching or abuse, especially if tuned.

DSGs are super stout from a power-holding perspective. The clutch packs can basically take seemingly unlimited abuse at the currently achievable power levels, hundreds of launches, etc... I've only heard of one guy having a DSG clutch pack issue, ever, and he was stock... (obviously a defect).

What's are the current achievable power levels? And what's the limit, fuel supply due to DI?

[christianb5s4]

Had a chance to put in a fair bit of seat time this past week in my GF's dad's B8.5 S4 (stage 2), and I can see why people move up to these cars without a doubt. Refinement, interior, technology, instant power, dsg, customization of driving dynamics, etc are all many levels above the B5. It's fast too, and doesn't feel all that much larger than the B5 in real life after you get used to it.

But I still feel the B5 has a few advantages over the B8. B5 has much more personality, like the smaller size better, power delivery is more raw, faster, and it's still a very refined car given it's over 15 years old at this point.

[bmoreS4]

Good stuff, If you are ever in MD let me know, ill jump on 95 for some runs.

[GramCracker]

I love E85, whenever I have to switch back to pump I hate driving my car - sucks that my local E85 station is 20 miles away.

Don't get me wrong, I love my B5, I have since my first one, however I drive my car maybe 10k miles a year - I am tired of getting into my B5 that has to Tri-pod to get up my driveway because my RSB, creeks over bumps, worries about CV boots, valve cover gaskets, and turbos - thing is, it's just old. I will miss the countless hours of just wrenching on it because i'm bored - but i'm sure i'll be able to do that with the B8. It's time for a newer car, doesn't matter if it's slower - just time for an update.

This is exactly why I got rid of my Imola wagon two years ago and got into an S3. The way to go is have a solid DD you can count on and the B5 as your garage toy...enter my Cactus Avant coming home.

[bmoreS4]

The way to go is have a solid DD you can count on and the B5 as your garage toy...enter my Cactus Avant coming home.

100%

[01audia4]

Good stuff, If you are ever in MD let me know, ill jump on 95 for some runs.

I travel to DC / VA all the time for work - but I'm in a Tahoe. If I ever bring my car down I'll be sure to shoot you a message.


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[landfill]

Get the whipple upgrade from APR.
IDK if they're still offering it though
but man their shop was bad ass.

[CELison]

Get the whipple upgrade from APR.
IDK if they're still offering it though
but man their shop was bad ass.

Kajak has that blower. I walked him.

- - - Updated - - -

whoa 55 seconds didn't notice that truck pull out the first time

Yeah about that....

[GramCracker]

100%

It really allows you to keep the passion for the car going as you're not constantly stressing about X, Y, or Z with it and you're never in a rush to get some part repaired or replaced.

Unpopular opinion: I couldn't get into a B8 S4 as they are pretty large (coming from a B5), a dime a dozen, and after driving both 6mt & DSG versions the car is, unfortunately, totally soulless. That said, it is incredibly efficient and consistent in what it does - it was missing that character and that's why I couldn't pull the trigger.

[Peter1.8t]

You could keep the b5 s4 and get a newer Audi. Some people love the b8, other's don't. If you do fall in love with it, I can tell you that you won't be driving the b5 all that much.

After I bought my rs4, I've driven the s4 maybe a handful of times since then. I like my b5, it's a solid car with everything that I've done to it, however the RS4 is just so much better in every department that I really don't want to drive my s4 anymore. So with that being said I'm going to sell the s4.

[christianb5s4]

You'd better not Peter, the lynch mob will be after you.

[CELison]

On 93 a stage 2 B8 is fairly quick. On race gas or E85 it's fairly fast. I've also broken my b8 so that gives it some personality in my eyes. It breaks, I fix it, rinse and repeat

[christianb5s4]

What ended up breaking on the B8?

[GramCracker]

You could keep the b5 s4 and get a newer Audi. Some people love the b8, other's don't. If you do fall in love with it, I can tell you that you won't be driving the b5 all that much.

After I bought my rs4, I've driven the s4 maybe a handful of times since then. I like my b5, it's a solid car with everything that I've done to it, however the RS4 is just so much better in every department that I really don't want to drive my s4 anymore. So with that being said I'm going to sell the s4.

In the B5's defense, the B7 is blown. That said, fellow local member Chuuey has a RS and I have to agree, they are fantastic cars with the right mods and make amazing grand tourers.

[Chuuey]

In the B5's defense, the B7 is blown. That said, fellow local member Chuuey has a RS and I have to agree, they are fantastic cars with the right mods and make amazing grand tourers.

Hi.

This thread is my last four* years in a nutshell.

[s4chiro]

You could keep the b5 s4 and get a newer Audi. Some people love the b8, other's don't. If you do fall in love with it, I can tell you that you won't be driving the b5 all that much.

After I bought my rs4, I've driven the s4 maybe a handful of times since then. I like my b5, it's a solid car with everything that I've done to it, however the RS4 is just so much better in every department that I really don't want to drive my s4 anymore. So with that being said I'm going to sell the s4.

what did you pay to add the AMD blower to your rs4? looking to get into one soon