EPL/Fluidampr Overdrive Crank Pulley Dual Pulley Group Buy

[Chris@EPL]

For a limited time we will be offering a group buy for the 3.0T Fluidampr stock size and Overdrive crank pulleys for existing or new EPL customers ONLY.

The Fluidampr design is a 2 piece setup with a stock sized fully dampered 162mm crank pulley and then the larger overdrive size pulley attach over the stock size pulley. Once the 162mm Fluidampr is installed it only takes 30 mins to change out the overdrive pulley sizes. Right now Fluidampr has a limited amount of 162mm, 179mm and 183mm set ups available and more will be available in 1-2 weeks. On our in house dyno during testing we saw a small but good repeatable HP gain with just the 162mm stock sized Fluidampr. The retail price for the 162mm (stock size) Fluidampr is $699 and the 179mm and 183mm pulley that attach to the Fluidampr are $199 each and any size over 183mm will be $249 each. Don't worry we also have larger sizes coming soon.

For the Group buy we will be doing $649 for the 162mm (stock sized) Fluidampr and $149 each for the 179mm or 183mm pulleys. Fluidampr/iABED have a few in stock ready to ship and are making more as well.

The Fluidampr viscous torsional damper is an essential component in building a high performance 3.0 V6 TSI Supercharged Audi/Volkswagen engine.
We recommend you read our FAQ on Fluidampr technology to understand why this product is right for you.

A unique project between iABED Industries & Fluidampr to battle the concerns plaguing the 3.0 Supercharged engine such as:

1. Failing OEM crankshaft accessory pulley
2. No viable solution for crankshaft pulley upgrades in the future
3. No modular design
4. Inability to add Stage 2+ power with a safer and more effective dampened crank pulley

When faced with these problems, we took everything we learned from the industry & the Audi community and went back to the drawing board. How do we design a damper that will be a viable replacement to the OEM (Part #) as well as be a modular design.The main issue facing Stage 2+ owners was the inability to keep the OEM pulley intact. The rubber elastic ring holding the assembly together would either crack or completely tear apart resulting in the mass amounts of billet aluminum replacements being produced.

Make no mistake , this is not a block of metal chewed out to have 13 grooves. After 10 months of engineering and prototyping we proudly present the world's first viscous torsional vibration damper for the 3.0 V6 Supercharged motor is here with its multi function design , a user once installing the Fluidampr can upgrade to a larger supercharger drive in under 20 minutes. No longer the need to put the vehicle into service mode or change the supercharger pulley once the Fluidampr is installed.With the unique modular design users can go from Stage 1 to Stage 2/dual pulley with a simple add on drive on pulley which mounts to the face of the Fluidampr.

Key features

• Decreased Flywheel & Gearbox clatter (Especially with the 0B4 gearbox) . Flywheel clatter can be heard when converting from the OEM dual mass flywheel to a single mass flywheel (whether steel or aluminum)

• Decreased engine noise and increased smoothness on 7 speed Dual Clutch Gearbox (0B5) as well as 8-speed Automatic equipped chassis

• RPM drop reduction

• Engine Vibration reduction

• Sized for an OEM replacement at 162mm. Does not over drive or under drive the accessories

• Steel construction with Black Zinc plating to combat oxidation of the elements unlike the OEM unit

• (6) equally spaced M8 x 1.25 threads on a 81mm bolt circle to allow additional larger supercharger drive pulleys to be installed without the need to change out the core unit

• SFI 18.1 certified

• ISO 9001:2008 certified

• Proudly Designed in Canada

• Proudly Manufactured in North America (U.S.A & Canada)

Software pricing

Existing EPL customers will get free shipping on the pulleys in the lower 48 and the dual pulley file will be $249 instead of the normal $449 to add dual pulley after the original purchase.

New EPL customers can get the Fluidampr Overdrive pulley in 179mm or 183mm, stage 2 (with CTS pulley and belt), dual pulley tune and flashing cable for $2649 shipped in the lower 48 and CT residents have sales tax

Or new EPL customers can get the Fluidampr Overdrive pulley in 179mm or 183mm, stage 2 (without CTS pulley and belt) and flashing cable for $2249 shipped in the lower 48 and CT residents have sales tax

also please email for any quote with E85, 100 or 104 octane, CTS intakes, AutoTech HPFP kits, or flashing tablets if you don't have a windows laptop, etc

[email protected]
203-345-6499

[waxxonMTL]

awesome... but no time slip and dyno sheet ?

I know I'm first poster but i would really hope that EPL did testing on back to back dyno run to see what would be the gain from 162, 179 183 189 194 etc etc..

I wish to jump in, but, which size should I go for ? This thread doesn't answer the question :)

[whiped]

awesome... but no time slip and dyno sheet ?

I know I'm first poster but i would really hope that EPL did testing on back to back dyno run to see what would be the gain from 162, 179 183 189 194 etc etc..

I wish to jump in, but, which size should I go for ? This thread doesn't answer the question :)

206

That's what I'm going for once I get my Coldfront system put in and figure out my living situation. (I'm moving in August)

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Also, @Chris according to my research your pricing is a little wrong.

Base pulley: $699
Attachments:

179-189mm: $149
203+: $189

Prices from iABED's website: http://www.vdamper.com/30-V6-TSI-Supercharged_p_42.html

This is still a great deal regardless.

Any chances of a deal if you buy the DSG tune as well. (Especially after the higher torque file released today)

[Chris@EPL]

awesome... but no time slip and dyno sheet ?

I know I'm first poster but i would really hope that EPL did testing on back to back dyno run to see what would be the gain from 162, 179 183 189 194 etc etc..

I wish to jump in, but, which size should I go for ? This thread doesn't answer the question :)

Once the product is released and we get more people running them we will have more data. The 179mm will perform similar to the other 179mm pulleys, but have less hp loss due to vibration. Right now we only have the 179mm and 183mm pulleys.

206

That's what I'm going for once I get my Coldfront system put in and figure out my living situation. (I'm moving in August)

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Also, @Chris according to my research your pricing is a little wrong.

Base pulley: $699
Attachments:

179-189mm: $149
203+: $189

Prices from iABED's website: http://www.vdamper.com/30-V6-TSI-Supercharged_p_42.html

This is still a great deal regardless.

Any chances of a deal if you buy the DSG tune as well. (Especially after the higher torque file released today)

Check that pricing again. The pricing Vdamper had up there was their initial group buy pricing, not the retail prices. And yes PM or email me and I can work up a package price with the TCU tune assuming your TCU box code is the same as the higher torque file released today.

[whiped]

Check that pricing again. The pricing Vdamper had up there was their initial group buy pricing, not the retail prices. And yes PM or email me and I can work up a package price with the TCU tune assuming your TCU box code is the same as the higher torque file released today.

Drat! Should have kept my mouth shut

I am not in the market for any tunes until early August at the earliest. Have to figure out my living situation before my car situation.

[Wizard-of-OD]

The pricing Vdamper had up there was their initial group buy pricing, not the retail prices.

Thank You so much Tony/Chris.
Now that we have the dyno data back from EPL , will be posting the vibration analysis of the following:
- 100 Hz
- 300 Hz
- 600 Hz

Alot of you will be surprised with the 100Hz data . Again as mentioned before , I am not going to address aluminum pulleys of any form but any billet or cast pulley will be 0 Hz. What you deduce from the information/data is up to you.

[whiped]

Now that we have the dyno data back from EPL

Mind sharing?

[derek.kritz]

Thank You so much Tony/Chris.
Now that we have the dyno data back from EPL , will be posting the vibration analysis of the following:
- 100 Hz
- 300 Hz
- 600 Hz

Alot of you will be surprised with the 100Hz data . Again as mentioned before , I am not going to address aluminum pulleys of any form but any billet or cast pulley will be 0 Hz. What you deduce from the information/data is up to you.

Can I have my pulley now???


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[infinkc]

Just curious what dictates such a higher cost over the oem size option? +17mm= $200?

[Tony@EPL]

Just curious what dictates such a higher cost over the oem size option? +17mm= $200?

162mm = single piece base pulley
Anything larger = single 162mm base with the larger outer pulley that bolts directly to the "base pulley"

Basically that $200 is the cost of the second piece that is not included with the 162mm set up.

[Chris@EPL]

The Fluidampr Overdrive crank pulley is a 2 piece design. All of them come with the 162mm dampened pulley and then the outer larger overdrive section bolts to the 162mm pulley making it an overdrive pulley. Let me see if I can get a pic of the backside of the setup.

Here the grey piece goes over the 162mm stock sized Fluidampr pulley making it a 179mm or 183mm overdrive pulley and since only the outer size is increasing in size the need to grind the nub on the block is not needed until about 190mm.

[importraceram]

Hmm very tempting. I know it's far from ideal but how potentially detrimental is running dual pulley on stock cooling. I'm assuming I will see a minimal benefit over my current set up if the IATs shoot up higher than they already have on recent trips to the strip. My only thought is, living in New England, it's not that hot and we're almost nearing fall. Upgraded cooling is definitely on the list of to-dos but was looking to hold out until spring. I know, as per his sig, Loe has run a duel pulley set up on stock cooling and achieved some impressive times (I know he has the coldfront now)...

[infinkc]

162mm = single piece base pulley
Anything larger = single 162mm base with the larger outer pulley that bolts directly to the "base pulley"

Basically that $200 is the cost of the second piece that is not included with the 162mm set up.

Ah, that sucks you just cant buy it without getting the stock size.

[whiped]

Ah, that sucks you just cant buy it without getting the stock size.

The one nice thing is if you say go with 179mm(Stage I) then want to jump to 203mm(Stage II) you are only out <$250

[derek.kritz]

Would not recommend doing a duel pulley without a upgraded cooling system. Your just asking for high IAT's and boost bleed. IMHO.


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[Tony@EPL]

Ah, that sucks you just cant buy it without getting the stock size.

Believe it or not... it would have been more expensive that way because the R&D, modeling and production would have had to been done ~5 times.... This cut production time, development time AND production runs of the 162's are larger.... driving the down the over all costs.

The one nice thing is if you say go with 179mm(Stage I) then want to jump to 203mm(Stage II) you are only out <$250

This is also a huge benefit in my opinion.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Can I have my pulley now???

Presents for all!

Just curious what dictates such a higher cost over the oem size option? +17mm= $200?

179mm = 7.04"
Most of these are cut from 7.5" bar stock which is a little pricey. The advantage though is you only install once. No need to ever touch the supercharger (if you go larger).

[ModItNow]

I can't wait to hear some feedback on the fluidampr pulley!

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[waxxonMTL]

I can't wait to hear some feedback on the fluidampr pulley!

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can't wait to see dyno number with all the different ratio. Of course, I would max it out to 189mm ( or i believe its 194mm the max with smaller pulley) but then if the difference between 183 and 194 is only 10whp, i would rather play it safe and go 183 instead.

but very nice !! this 3.0t got very exciting in the past year, #whatatimetobealive hahaha

[ModItNow]

can't wait to see dyno number with all the different ratio. Of course, I would max it out to 189mm ( or i believe its 194mm the max with smaller pulley) but then if the difference between 183 and 194 is only 10whp, i would rather play it safe and go 183 instead.

I wanted to get the 189mm too but will probably wait a while to see what happens with the other tuners.

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[Chris@EPL]

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[timzcat]

I have no tune and no plans but am happy to see this product come to market. I previously made the arguement against straight aluminum pulleys with no dampening.

[derek.kritz]

I have no tune and no plans but am happy to see this product come to market. I previously made the arguement against straight aluminum pulleys with no dampening.

Right!!! I can't even believe people put those on their car. But that's just me.


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[Chris@EPL]

Any pricing or package pricing please email or PM
[email protected]

[LittleDozer]

In for dynos

[Ze_Nardo6]

Chris or Tony...would the 203 be too large to pair with an APR s/c pulley? Currently running the 179 JHM OD pulley but want more.

[whiped]

Chris or Tony...would the 203 be too large to pair with an APR s/c pulley? Currently running the 179 JHM OD pulley but want more.

I doubt they've tested it.

It would put you at a 3.51 ratio which is even more aggressive than Loe or S4Matty at around 3.36

At 7,000 RPMs you would be spinning the blower at roughly 24,500 RPMs.

If you want to be a pioneer I think the 203 is the next logical step. If not, join Loe and Matt at 194mm

Assuming you avoided heat soak and the car was happy you would be putting down some serious power.

~500 or so at the wheels I would guess based off what others have dyno'ed.

[Chris@EPL]

Chris or Tony...would the 203 be too large to pair with an APR s/c pulley? Currently running the 179 JHM OD pulley but want more.

It would be very aggressive, but should make a lot of power. Since you are a 6 speed you could short shift if need be instead of winding the car and SC out.

[eurotic]

It would be very aggressive, but should make a lot of power. Since you are a 6 speed you could short shift if need be instead of winding the car and SC out.

Do you know what the 6 speed B8 rev limits at? I swear mine hits 7400 RPM but I need to log it. Is there a way the tune could be customized to rev limit earlier? Myself I would rather run a higher ratio and give up on the very peak RPM by a few hundred RPM.

[Chris@EPL]

Our 6 speed ECU tune is set at 7100, but can be raised or lowered at special request.

[Ze_Nardo6]

Do you know what the 6 speed B8 rev limits at? I swear mine hits 7400 RPM but I need to log it. Is there a way the tune could be customized to rev limit earlier? Myself I would rather run a higher ratio and give up on the very peak RPM by a few hundred RPM.

This is exactly my thought process. I would give up the 400-500 rpms up top to have monster midrange power that's much more usable and noticeable during street driving. My car is not a track machine

[derek.kritz]

Quick question, I am installing my AWE coldfront this weekend. Can the car be put into service mode with the long bolts when I put in my new crank pulley? Meaning is there any restrictions from the coldfront that prevent the radiator and heat exchanger coming forward. Thanks.


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[tmorgan4]

Thank You so much Tony/Chris.
Now that we have the dyno data back from EPL , will be posting the vibration analysis of the following:
- 100 Hz
- 300 Hz
- 600 Hz

Alot of you will be surprised with the 100Hz data . Again as mentioned before , I am not going to address aluminum pulleys of any form but any billet or cast pulley will be 0 Hz. What you deduce from the information/data is up to you.

Can you explain what you are talking about here? What do the different frequencies represent??? I don't understand how a billet or cast pulley is "0 Hz".

[Chris@EPL]

A billet or cast pulley would be 0Hz because they offer no dampening of the vibrations generated.

[Hofahome]

Chris or Tony...would the 203 be too large to pair with an APR s/c pulley? Currently running the 179 JHM OD pulley but want more.

Do it!!!

[Chris@EPL]

Get your orders in. Hopefully the pulleys will be shipping this week.

[VandyZ]

What is the recommended/safe size to mate with my stage 2 EPL/CTS supercharger pulley? I'm concerned with both engine reliability and supercharger rpm limits.

[Chris@EPL]

Both the 179 and 183mm are well within the SC operating RPMs so it would be up to you.

[SwankP3RF3ct10n]

A billet or cast pulley would be 0Hz because they offer no dampening of the vibrations generated.

Will your test findings (once published) also provide data on what is expected to be dampened for this engine and/or what is considered dangerous for this engine? What I mean is that, if vibrations of any Hz won't cause any issues whatsoever due to the design of the engine internally, then dampening that or not doesn't much matter. I, like others, am really interested to know what is and isn't dangerous or otherwise negative affect on the engine because so far we have several companies telling us what they want us to hear in order to sell their product.

Also, as a side note, I'd like to point out that a D16Y8 Honda engine comes with a dampened pulley stock, yet Jackson Racing (when they released their supercharger kit for that engine) replaced it with a billet aluminum one to run the new charger belt configuration. While I have no dead proof on if they did or didn't think that was safe, it's hard to believe that companies out there would just not take these types of things into consideration. BTW, that engine is still running fine 16 years later and several thousand miles in someone else's hands.

Again guys, I'm not bashing anything here, so please don't misunderstand. I just want the true truth. I don't want a sales pitch to get me to buy something that's no better or worse than a competitive product. In the end, I want the best solution regardless of cost, all you have to do is just show me hard facts and absolute truth, that's all. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

[Dkensk]

Will your test findings (once published) also provide data on what is expected to be dampened for this engine and/or what is considered dangerous for this engine? What I mean is that, if vibrations of any Hz won't cause any issues whatsoever due to the design of the engine internally, then dampening that or not doesn't much matter. I, like others, am really interested to know what is and isn't dangerous or otherwise negative affect on the engine because so far we have several companies telling us what they want us to hear in order to sell their product.

Also, as a side note, I'd like to point out that a D16Y8 Honda engine comes with a dampened pulley stock, yet Jackson Racing (when they released their supercharger kit for that engine) replaced it with a billet aluminum one to run the new charger belt configuration. While I have no dead proof on if they did or didn't think that was safe, it's hard to believe that companies out there would just not take these types of things into consideration. BTW, that engine is still running fine 16 years later and several thousand miles in someone else's hands.

Again guys, I'm not bashing anything here, so please don't misunderstand. I just want the true truth. I don't want a sales pitch to get me to buy something that's no better or worse than a competitive product. In the end, I want the best solution regardless of cost, all you have to do is just show me hard facts and absolute truth, that's all. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

I've replaced a few Honda oil pumps with split pump gears. Common factor being solid aluminum Light weight crank pulley