Was seriously planning to go Stoptech braided but after reading this B6 thread....

[allstock]

I'm having serious second thoughts....More like reserves now. I'm in some of the coldest weather in the US too.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/226104-StopTech-stainless-steel-brake-line-failure.

[Denio24]

Isnt that why youre supposed to do a brake test every once in a while? Honestly the rubber ones arent that bad if youre that worried. Im running 034 braided for 1 year now.

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[allstock]

Pulling out the drive way is the extent of my test. I don't have time to do a point by point inspection. Seriously, did you read what he said the service rep was informing him!? I thought these would be more reliable, but it makes sense now since they are steel.

[Charles.waite]

One failure is enough to turn you off on them? How many thousands of kits are currently out there that havent failed?

I mean nothing can be 100% failure proof. There will be one or two products out of a few thousand that won't be perfect. I don't see what the big deal is.

[allstock]

Charles, do you even have steel braided lines?

[Charles.waite]

Charles, do you even have steel braided lines?

Not on my b7. I ran a set of 034 stainless lines on my b6 for 3 years without any issues. The lines looked perfect when I sold the car last year.

[allstock]

It's turning out that braided lines are just as much a hindrance as they are a performance upgrade. To me the trade off isn't worth it. There's not much you can tell by looking at them and realistically your relegated to swapping them out as frequent as your tires. I am surprised by how small the OD is. Quality is always a question for me about any aftermarket bolt on. They can be had on ebay for 40 bucks though. Honestly if I could swap them out every two seasons to be safe I would and I don't see myself doing that.

[Charles.waite]

I don't understand the point of this thread...

[oVeRdOsE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LJiPDAr9f8

[vvenom800tt]

Maybe allstock should stay all stock and gtfo of audizine is he just wants to bitch about stupid shit

[aluthman]

Goodridge lines have a plastic coating over the stainless to protect the lines from water/salt/grime.

[Charles.waite]

So did my 034 ones. Not sure if it was a vinyl sheathing or if they were dipped In a vinyl coating/sealer.

[allstock]

I don't understand the point of this thread...

Charles, a lot of times it seems you post because you can; not because you have anything constructive to say.

Maybe allstock should stay all stock and gtfo of audizine is he just wants to bitch about stupid shit

Does your array of aftermarket cheap bolt-ons put you in a level of heightened enlightenment or just add to your total 'bad-assery', vvenom? I will be staying all stock, I don't think a set of brake lines puts me over the top, thanks. There's enough to manage the B7 the way it is.

[allstock]

Goodridge lines have a plastic coating over the stainless to protect the lines from water/salt/grime.

Thanks for the input Adam. I didn't know that there were steel lines with coating. I really want get branded lines and am wondering the responsiveness on a ABS car. I'm seeing responsiveness really didn't change imperically. The winters where I am destroys weak plastic and rubber and that's a huge concern. Seems like a second cover may help.

[Charles.waite]

You mad? Any DOT certified stainless line set is required to have a coating to protect it from the elements.

And yes I post a lot. Often it's not constructive but I'm perfectly okay with that.

[evo_ski]

I prefer having brake lines over no brake lines.

[Rabbit]

I prefer having brake lines over no brake lines.

But weight reduction...

[miA4]

This thread makes no sense to me. You're going to base your opinion on one persons experience? Buy the ones you want, and like everything else you install, inspect them at regular intervals. If your area is heavily salted, I can't even imagine any brake component not being effected by that.

Also, any aftermarket upgrade on cars are sold as off road use only. If it's not oem, it's more than likely not DOT approved but we still install them.

[Brillo]

A couple of comments: First, DOT does not approve products. They write standards. Products either meet the standards or they don't. I know this will sound petty to some readers. To the best of my knowledge they don't write standards for off-road or racing products. So, for ST to state their product is DOT approved or meets DOT standards and then claim the product is only for off-road use makes no sense.
Second, I'm glad the OP wasn't involved in a more serious situation. Hopefully, ST did the right thing and replaced the parts or refunded his money. For ST to ignore or blow off the OP puts them in a far more dangerous liability situation than admitting to a manufacturing, application, or design defect.
Lastly, if folks are unaware that ST ss brake lines are meant only for off-road and/or racing applications, ST may not be doing a very good job warning against using this product for DD applications. I don't know their products so I can't say one way or the other. miA4's comment above "Also, any aftermarket upgrade on cars are sold as off road use only. If it's not oem, it's more than likely not DOT approved but we still install them" only makes sense if the ST product is specifically intended for off road use, in which case this should be very clearly stated in their marketing, packing, and product information.

[miA4]

A couple of comments: First, DOT does not approve products. They write standards. Products either meet the standards or they don't. I know this will sound petty to some readers. To the best of my knowledge they don't write standards for off-road or racing products. So, for ST to state their product is DOT approved or meets DOT standards and then claim the product is only for off-road use makes no sense.
Second, I'm glad the OP wasn't involved in a more serious situation. Hopefully, ST did the right thing and replaced the parts or refunded his money. For ST to ignore or blow off the OP puts them in a far more dangerous liability situation than admitting to a manufacturing, application, or design defect.
Lastly, if folks are unaware that ST ss brake lines are meant only for off-road and/or racing applications, ST may not be doing a very good job warning against using this product for DD applications. I don't know their products so I can't say one way or the other. miA4's comment above "Also, any aftermarket upgrade on cars are sold as off road use only. If it's not oem, it's more than likely not DOT approved but we still install them" only makes sense if the ST product is specifically intended for off road use, in which case this should be very clearly stated in their marketing, packing, and product information.

On their website, they claim to be DOT compliant... Which makes a lot of sense. i'm sure that when we purchase items NEW, that they generally say for off-road use only.

[Brillo]

OK, that makes more sense. In the regulatory world DOT compliant and DOT approved are very different things.

[vce1232000]

Charles, a lot of times it seems you post because you can; not because you have anything constructive to say.

Does your array of aftermarket cheap bolt-ons put you in a level of heightened enlightenment or just add to your total 'bad-assery', vvenom? I will be staying all stock, I don't think a set of brake lines puts me over the top, thanks. There's enough to manage the B7 the way it is.

Holly WTF happened here..............lol

[vce1232000]

I have Goodridge SS lines on my car. Imo you can feel the difference when your standing on the brake pedal. I like a azzhole sometimes so, I want to have the stuff I can

[Axis]

When I recently installed S4 rear brakes I noticed my 3 y/o rear passenger Stoptech ss brake line as a small crack.

Oem lasted 7 years before cracking.

[eljay]

You guys realize that the OP's linked thread is from 2008, right?
So, 8 years ago, we have a single reported StopTech SS line failure with a discussion in the original thread over how twisted the line was that likely caused the failure and everyone should now stop buying them?

[Charles.waite]

You guys realize that the OP's linked thread is from 2008, right?
So, 8 years ago, we have a single reported StopTech SS line failure with a discussion in the original thread over how twisted the line was that likely caused the failure and everyone should now stop buying them?

Exactly. That's sort of the point.

[Axis]

You guys realize that the OP's linked thread is from 2008, right?
So, 8 years ago, we have a single reported StopTech SS line failure with a discussion in the original thread over how twisted the line was that likely caused the failure and everyone should now stop buying them?

I just shared my experience with them above your post I just quoted. Not from 2008, from a couple weeks ago when I noticed they were cracked after a little over two years of being on the car.

There might be a better option out there and I think its worth discussing

[papadelogan]

I plan to run Goodridge lines on my A4 when I do some work in the next few weeks. I ran them on my racebikes for about 10 years... never a failure. The Goodrigde lines for the B7 A4 are D.O.T. approved FMVSS106 TUV/ISO9002. Any mass produced product will have failures, and EVERYTHING wears out. If you pay $40 for ebay brake lines... well I guess that's how much you value your safety. I'm not rich, but some things you just don't skimp on, I just save up for those items/products worth spending my hard-earned cash.

[Charles.waite]

Personally I would go with Goodridge also.

[Brillo]

Papadelogan - I suspect that Goodridge makes a very good product but it is not DOT approved. The Goodridge ss brake lines likely meets the DOT standard for brake lines (FMVSS-106) but I am certain that the USDOT did not test these products and approve them. Sorry to harp on this but to the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as 'DOT approval' for these type of products. Anyone manufacturing brake lines and assemblies must register with the DOT. I suspect that Goodridge is properly registered if they are doing business in the US.

[papadelogan]

This wording is on just about every website selling the Goodridge lines:

G-Stop stainless steel brake lines conform to all federal requirements of FMVSS106, making them D.O.T. Certified and T.U.V. Approved (Germany).

To be certain though, I've reached out directly to Goodridge. Whatever they come back with, from my experience with my race & street bikes over 20+ years... I'm still going to install them on the Yeti. I wish they made them for my truck, but they don't unfortunately.

[vvenom800tt]

Charles, a lot of times it seems you post because you can; not because you have anything constructive to say.

Does your array of aftermarket cheap bolt-ons put you in a level of heightened enlightenment or just add to your total 'bad-assery', vvenom? I will be staying all stock, I don't think a set of brake lines puts me over the top, thanks. There's enough to manage the B7 the way it is.

Then shut your face and stay all stock, dont go looking for aftermarket brake lines. Then start bitching about how they may fail. Which is totally contradictory on your part. Stick to oem parts and go cry about this shit somewhere else then

[Brillo]

Papadelogan I guess I'm not being very clear so please indulge me one more time while I restate my point. The USDOT does not approve or certify products. In your post #28 it is stated the Goodridge product is 'DOT approved' and then in post #31 imply they are 'DOT certified'. Neither of these claims is true. I do believe that the Goodridge meets DOT standards based on either their (Goodridge's) testing or some 3rd party contract testing lab. Goodridge can say it meets DOT standards or 'conforms' to DOT standards, and Goodridge can certify to the public that it meets DOT standards but the DOT did not test, approve, or certify their product. In this regard, Goodridge's wording is incorrect and somewhat deceptive. Please understand that I am not in any way saying that Goodridge doesn't make a fine product. It may not seem like it but this is a 'facts' argument not just semantics.

[papadelogan]

Brillo - perhaps you missed the part where I stated that I reached out to Goodridge directly to get some answers? I see from your need to reiterate your point that you assume others lack the same level of intelligence as you. A common failing of the arrogant. Please go piss in to the wind and understand clearly that I will ignore any further comments from you, okay pumpkin?

[kristokes]

I think we're done here.