Integrated Engineering Intake Manifold Flapper Delete tune?? Who has done this? Help!

[cybernet99]

I'm in the process of preparing to have my new motor installed locally. I went with the Integrated Engineering Super Sport short block, Super Sport head assembly and their Intake Manifold.

All should go very well, but I am now finding myself with a bit of a challenge with dealing with the flapper delete.

I've currently got my ECU flashed with a Unitronic Stage 2 tune with the stock turbo, AWE FMIC, hi-flow cat and full exhaust.

I'm waiting to do a turbo kit until next year. Basically waiting to see what the CTS and APR kits will bring. Currently leaning towards the CTS system. Once I do that, I plan to have a custom tune. BUT, ... in the meantime, I want to run the IE intake manifold with my current setup.



IE does not provide anything to deal with the absence of the flappers, and I have checked with Unitronic and they don't provide anything and are sending me back to IE.

So ... Has anyone figured out how to code out the flapper motors, and to eliminate the CEL that will get produced from this?

IE has obviously sold a few of these, so I'm hoping someone on here can help shed some light on this for me?

Will the car be driveable without the flapper delete tune installed? Will it be driveable enough to break in the motor for a 1000 miles driving around town? Will I be able to drive a couple hours to Montreal to have Unitronic put it on their dyno and tune the car? (I haven't checked with Unitronic, but I am assuming this would be an option)

Any insight from others than have this intake manifold or others without the flaps would be much appreciated!

Tim

[slowone11]

I have the intake on my a4 and there is nothing that I could find so I went custom- eurodyne and m7 software.

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[Alex1188]

I would not run that manifold on brand new motor, unless you have the tuning for it. It will cause the car to run lean in areas (due to the increased volume of that manifold and no flaps) and will make the ecu try and compensate for the condition. Thus your break in will not be exactly how you want it.

[cybernet99]

I have the intake on my a4 and there is nothing that I could find so I went custom- eurodyne and m7 software.

Thanks @slowone11

I've been going through the forums, searching ... and all I can find seem to point to custom tune. Thank you so much for posting and confirming this for me.

[cybernet99]

I would not run that manifold on brand new motor, unless you have the tuning for it. It will cause the car to run lean in areas (due to the increased volume of that manifold and no flaps) and will make the ecu try and compensate for the condition. Thus your break in will not be exactly how you want it.

Agreed @Alex1188

At this point, I think I will be sitting on the manifold until I do the EFR kit next spring. The manifold will do nothing for me with the existing motor/tune. I also don't want to be breaking in the motor, especially with it running lean ...

I don't think I have to worry about the existing plastic intake failing with the factory turbo, but it would definitely be a concern once I do the EFR next year with additional boost, so I think I've pretty much made up my mind.

Will stick with the crappy plastic intake until I add on the big turbo kit next spring.

Thanks for chiming in and helping to convince me to stick with the factory setup for now.

[slowone11]

Thanks @slowone11

I've been going through the forums, searching ... and all I can find seem to point to custom tune. Thank you so much for posting and confirming this for me.

For sure. I think UM is doing a tune but right now there really isnt anything else.

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[cybernet99]

For sure. I think UM is doing a tune but right now there really isnt anything else.

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Your motor looks awesome! Love the powder coated/painted head!

[cybernet99]

I have the intake on my a4 and there is nothing that I could find so I went custom- eurodyne and m7 software.

Hey @slowone11, I just realized that Eurodyne and Chris Tapp are located in Ottawa, where I live and are like 5 minutes from my shop ... Awesome!

How do you like the Eurodyne and M7 software. That's looking to be a very good option for me.

With the IE head and the larger valves, my shop and I are thinking it will need a custom tune for the break-in period regardless of the intake manifold.

[2010b8a4apr2]

nobody including the two companies that make the manifolds (IE, HPA) make a tune for the b8 a4. they both have said they have started testing but that was years ago. IE said they actually had most of the testing done for a tune on a b8 a4 but they needed cold weather testings. that was last summer. they said they were trying to get a refrigerated dyno area for it. but they could have just done it over the winter? still no tune. and HPA has had their manifold for the longest. both companies say they will come out with it, but again its been years. ill believe when I see it. I run my b8 a4 with f23l and apr v3 tune, yes the light is on, but it runs great. it would be much better with a proper tune for the extra air though.

[Dub_prime]

nobody including the two companies that make the manifolds (IE, HPA) make a tune for the b8 a4. they both have said they have started testing but that was years ago. IE said they actually had most of the testing done for a tune on a b8 a4 but they needed cold weather testings. that was last summer. they said they were trying to get a refrigerated dyno area for it. but they could have just done it over the winter? still no tune. and HPA has had their manifold for the longest. both companies say they will come out with it, but again its been years. ill believe when I see it. I run my b8 a4 with f23l and apr v3 tune, yes the light is on, but it runs great. it would be much better with a proper tune for the extra air though.

Pretty sure HPA has a tune, or at least they advertise as much with their K04 kit.

[2010b8a4apr2]

Pretty sure HPA has a tune, or at least they advertise as much with their K04 kit.

not for the b8 a4 they don't...... its ridiculous. they release a product for our car but don't want to do the tunes.

[slowone11]

Um and GIAC now both have support for the IE intake

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[cybernet99]

Um and GIAC now both have support for the IE intake

Thanks @slowone11

I ended up going with Eurodyne and their Maestro tuning suite. With that software, it's dead simple to turn off the CEL for the offending sensors.

Currently I'm running their Stage 2 basefile, with just the offending CEL sensors disabled.

Now I'm trying to learn about tuning the car and adjusting the maps further. So for now it's good though! :)

[slowone11]

Changing my tune to UM in 3 weeks!

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[2010b8a4apr2]

Um and GIAC now both have support for the IE intake

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Do you have any actual info on this? Ive seen nothing on their sites or on any forums.

[cybernet99]

Do you have any actual info on this? Ive seen nothing on their sites or on any forums.

^^ Me either, found their web sites, even then wasn't sure it was who you were talking about @slowone11

[slowone11]

Ive been in contact with the owner of this car that has a UM custom tune. This set up is putting down 504awhp. Ive also talked directly with GIAC and although it might not be on their website, they are able to tune for this intake.


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[2010b8a4apr2]

Ive been in contact with the owner of this car that has a UM custom tune. This set up is putting down 504awhp. Ive also talked directly with GIAC and although it might not be on their website, they are able to tune for this intake.


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dude that's a b7 not a b8, wrong section.......

also, as an fyi to all, just because the ecl gets turned off, doesn't mean the intake is being accounted for in the tune.

that shit looks sick though.....

[slowone11]

Yes i know its a b7...but it is the IE intake and he is on a UM tune. I posted the pic so that it wasn't a....well i know this guy that knows a guy type thing. He is local and is running strong withe the intake.

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[Alex1188]

Yes i know its a b7...but it is the IE intake and he is on a UM tune. I posted the pic so that it wasn't a....well i know this guy that knows a guy type thing. He is local and is running strong withe the intake.

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Its a UM tune that's created by the owner of the shop Blue Water Performance. Correct? I'm assuming Blue Water Performance is going to be doing it for you??

[slowone11]

Its a UM tune that's created by the owner of the shop Blue Water Performance. Correct? I'm assuming Blue Water Performance is going to be doing it for you??

Yes this is correct.

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[cybernet99]

Yes this is correct.

That's gonna be sweet to have your engine tuned well!

I'm still trying to figure out how to capture all of the data logs well enough to actually trace the results into Maestro to see how good or bad things are for my new motor ...

At this point, I just want to get it running decent, not rich <> not lean, and know that it will run good through the winter. I know the ECU will do a fair bit of compensation, I just want to make sure I'm not pushing the limits of what the ECU can adjust for.

I'm having a heck of a time finding any good threads, tutorials or how-to's on tuning the MED17 ECU's with Maestro.

Next summer I'm thinking I might go with the CTS turbo kit they are working on right now. Last I spoke with them it was still a good month away from release.

[2010b8a4apr2]

Yes i know its a b7...but it is the IE intake and he is on a UM tune. I posted the pic so that it wasn't a....well i know this guy that knows a guy type thing. He is local and is running strong withe the intake.

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Yes, but youre confirming that they have a tune for the B7 not the B8? Two different engines...

[slowone11]

Yes, but youre confirming that they have a tune for the B7 not the B8? Two different engines...

I know the b7 2.0 is different then the b8 2.0...its the flap delete that is important here, Not the platform.

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[2010b8a4apr2]

so you know for sure that they have the delete for the b8 a4? platform does matter, its all in the ecu. as far as I know, no company has taken the time to tune/delete the intake flap for the b8 a4. that's why im asking

[Alex1188]

so you know for sure that they have the delete for the b8 a4? platform does matter, its all in the ecu. as far as I know, no company has taken the time to tune/delete the intake flap for the b8 a4. that's why im asking

They are able to do a flap delete... i asked about this years ago to UM and Blue Water Performance as well when my intake broke and i was looking at buying a different manifold. The catch is the Tune he will be getting is done by the owner of Blue Water Performance. The guy is a wizard per say when it comes to tuning, and UM and even APR have this guy do lots of stuff for them when i comes to Beta testing and custom tuning work. That B7 has a full custom tune "using" (key word) UM's tools. The tune its self is actually done by the owner of the shop. Ive seen that B7 in person and met and talked with the guy who owns it, its definitely not just some "off the shelf tune, stage 3 tune, or Flap Delete" 100% custom tune, which is exactly what Slowone11 needs as he's running a K04 Variant turbo(Loba400) anyways and probably could get alot more out of it then what he is now.

Im excited to see what Blue water can do for him, should be pretty exciting, im willing to bet his figures will be pretty close to APR EFR will do. Keep us posted Slowone!

[slowone11]

Thanks alex1188. BlueWater will have the car on Monday and do a baseline test for numbers on pump gas. Ill post up baseline and then possibly get the car back Tuesday night....fingers crossed.

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