Aces gas formula

[Djpeaksd]

Has anyone heard of this and have some input? I know octane booster is a joke and actually messes up your engine after a while while not even boosting octane. I would like to consistently boost my octane from 91 to 93 or 95 if possible and if I am gonna run 100 octane file I will just fill up with $9.00 100 octane. I remember reading about this formula from some RS6 guys on a thread a while ago but wanted to get an idea if anyone uses this. Now please don't flame me if this is also snake oil but I do remember seeing guys swearing by it to get to 100 octane!
http://bndautomotive.com/aces-formulas/

[F16HTON]

If you give it a shot, log the car. Make sure timing pull is not excessive and the air/fuel ratio is within limits.

[jrsAudiA6]

Has anyone heard of this and have some input? I know octane booster is a joke and actually messes up your engine after a while while not even boosting octane. I would like to consistently boost my octane from 91 to 93 or 95 if possible and if I am gonna run 100 octane file I will just fill up with $9.00 100 octane. I remember reading about this formula from some RS6 guys on a thread a while ago but wanted to get an idea if anyone uses this. Now please don't flame me if this is also snake oil but I do remember seeing guys swearing by it to get to 100 octane!
http://bndautomotive.com/aces-formulas/

You are the first person on this forum to inquire about this fuel catalyst, it is not an octane booster in the traditional sense. I am currently using it in my tuned A6 and I am running on my race tune. I have not logged while running this or any other tune. However I have not noticed anything unusual while using the ACES fuel catalyst. I originally used on my return trip from Austin TX back in 2014 and continued to use it for awhile after my return. I then stopped using for awhile, no good reason just stopped using it. I recently started using it again starting with our trip to Steamboat Springs CO. and have continued to use it.

I had lengthy discussion with the guy at BNB automotive who developed this product and I somewhat understand how this product gives an effective octane boost of 9 whole points taking 91 to 100 octane. This product is used a lot by not only the RS6 folks but Charger/Challenger and Mustang folks as well. This product also has some additional benefits such as being an upper cylinder lubricant when burned and providing additional cleaning detergents.

If only I knew what to log and how to set it up vag-com.

If you are going use ACES make sure you use 1oz for every 6 gallons of fuel.

[janthony6]

I'm going to try this

[Avned]

I'm going to try this

I'm curious to try also. How much does it cost? Seems the only way to order is by phone.

[Djpeaksd]

I'm curious to try also. How much does it cost? Seems the only way to order is by phone.

Yeah it is which I thought was kinda weird in this day and age, so I wanted to see if there are others who actively use it.
Imma try it as well but running logs and stuff like that I'm clueless, hahaha.

[Avned]

Man, the more I read about this stuff the more excited I get. Not only for the boost in octane but the lubricity it adds to your system. Think I'm gonna try this out and log the results on 93 and 100 octane files.

[Avned]

I just placed an order to try it out. Brian is a very nice guy and very knowledgeable about his product and the industry. I'm hopeful it does what it says, but definitely will test it to make sure.

[tonymission]

Very interesting... Seems like an affordable way to run 100octane program full time


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[Djpeaksd]

Yeah I spent 35 minutes on the phone with him!!!! Placed an order. I will do some data logging to see how it works.

[Avned]

Yeah I spent 35 minutes on the phone with him!!!! Placed an order. I will do some data logging to see how it works.

Nice! Guess we'll be on the journey together! <high five>

[flyfishing]

what's it cost? and what number are you changing on the vr box to? HEHEH

[Avned]

what's it cost?

The smallest size is the 32 oz bottle which treats 192 gallons (1oz/6gal) and goes for $79 + shipping. There's also a gallon available which I'm sure is less costly per Oz.

[Dguth]

Very interested in this thread. Would like to understand how it can really up the octane that much and is it really safe. If you guys run logs on higher octane tunes, would be interested in what your seeing.


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[dogears]

Thanks for testing this guys... I am extremely skeptical since the claims seem improbable. I would not expect more than a point or two of octane improvement. Keep us posted and thanks again.

[jrsAudiA6]

Yeah I spent 35 minutes on the phone with him!!!! Placed an order. I will do some data logging to see how it works.

You got off easy. lol. I think I spent over an hour talking with Brian before I placed my order for a gallon of ACES IV.

[jrsAudiA6]

Very interested in this thread. Would like to understand how it can really up the octane that much and is it really safe. If you guys run logs on higher octane tunes, would be interested in what your seeing.


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To try and understand how this product can boost the octane number you need to have a very good understanding of chemistry and how a catalyst works. This product does not boost the octane in the same way an octane booster does that you purchase from your local auto store. It acts as a catalyst to your existing fuel which results in an effective octane boost of 9 whole points, assuming you have added the correct amount of ACES IV. That is the simple explanation. Talk with Brian at BNB automotive and he will be more than happy to provide a more detailed explanation. I have not done any data logging when I have used this product but I have not noticed any adverse affects since using the product. I probably have over 6K miles on my A6 using this product.

[dab]

So I am one of those rs6 folks that have used this product for sometime. Have just added 2.5 ounces to the s7 running the 100 octane map with no issues.

[Dguth]

Wow. Going to look into this. Doesn't look that cost prohibitive. Thanks for everyone's feedback. And still interested in logging runs and whether you see any knock or misfires.


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[Avned]

So I am one of those rs6 folks that have used this product for sometime. Have just added 2.5 ounces to the s7 running the 100 octane map with no issues.

That's great to hear. I'm looking forward to running the 100 file full time.

[Dguth]

That's great to hear. I'm looking forward to running the 100 file full time.

Let me know how this works for you. Interested in trying it on my 100 file.


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[luv2sleep]

On their website, it states that 87 octane will turn into 96 octane so does this mean that I should just fill up with 87 octane instead of 91 here in California? Also, if you run a 93 octane file tune with 96 octane fuel, what happens?

[Djpeaksd]

On their website, it states that 87 octane will turn into 96 octane so does this mean that I should just fill up with 87 octane instead of 91 here in California? Also, if you run a 93 octane file tune with 96 octane fuel, what happens?

Always put premium in your car, no matter what! People swear by this stuff and the guy has been doing it for a long time but me and Avned need to do some logging first to make sure it is really bumping up the octane. I honestly am not sure I would feel comfortable running the 100 octane map with 91+ Aces 1v. But I know 91 + Aces 1v on a 93 map will be just fine. Dont get me wrong I am going to try the 100 octane map but I am not planning on it being safe.
To your second question. Running higher octane fuel then your map is perfectly safe and actually is a good idea based on how bad our fuel here in CA is.

[Avned]

Brian did mention that he is confident with running 91+Aces iv during the summer for the 100 tune. But advised caution when the winter blends come around in Sept. 93 file would definitely be the safer bet.

[luv2sleep]

Always put premium in your car, no matter what! People swear by this stuff and the guy has been doing it for a long time but me and Avned need to do some logging first to make sure it is really bumping up the octane. I honestly am not sure I would feel comfortable running the 100 octane map with 91+ Aces 1v. But I know 91 + Aces 1v on a 93 map will be just fine. Dont get me wrong I am going to try the 100 octane map but I am not planning on it being safe.
To your second question. Running higher octane fuel then your map is perfectly safe and actually is a good idea based on how bad our fuel here in CA is.

Thanks for the info.

[SITH7]

Hey guys, also interested and following your logging...Here in Florida, 93 would be the standard, however adding in the ACES IV would bump it (in theory) to...102 octane? I am also hesitant switching to the 100 octane map without knowing whole heartedly that I have 100+ in that tank.

I'm crazy, but that kind of crazy worries me, since the Audi service departments are already so fast to rip up warranties over here with just the APR tune itself.

Def keep us posted of your logs.

[luv2sleep]

It's good that we have such brave souls such as Dj and Avned to be our guinea pigs. We, the chicken littles, will sit on the side lines and watch for your logs!
On a more serious note, if there's one thing that I've learned about gasoline (being a son of a gas station owner), high octane can't hurt an engine since higher the octane, cooler it burns. Heat is the enemy.

[janthony6]

Just ordered a gallon after talking to Brian. I learned a lot in that call and am really excited to use his products.

Also - only using Shell gas from now on. Ask him about it if you don't know. Extremely interesting stuff.

[Avned]

Just ordered a gallon after talking to Brian. I learned a lot in that call and am really excited to use his products.

Also - only using Shell gas from now on. Ask him about it if you don't know. Extremely interesting stuff.

Sweet! See what you started DJ??

[tonymission]

Hey guys, also interested and following your logging...Here in Florida, 93 would be the standard, however adding in the ACES IV would bump it (in theory) to...102 octane? I am also hesitant switching to the 100 octane map without knowing whole heartedly that I have 100+ in that tank.

I'm crazy, but that kind of crazy worries me, since the Audi service departments are already so fast to rip up warranties over here with just the APR tune itself.

Def keep us posted of your logs.

This is where I'm at. Brian is apparently a mopar man and based on my research, none of those cars have aftermarket tunes higher than 93 octane. So even if they put in 91, it bumps it a bit, they're safe at 93.... I have a hard time feeling comfortable about running a 100 octane map without seeing logs and knowing all the timing is 100%. We're taking about quite a different setup than a Dodge Charger here.


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[Djpeaksd]

Sweet! See what you started DJ??

Hahaha, love it!

[Djpeaksd]

This is where I'm at. Brian is apparently a mopar man and based on my research, none of those cars have aftermarket tunes higher than 93 octane. So even if they put in 91, it bumps it a bit, they're safe at 93.... I have a hard time feeling comfortable about running a 100 octane map without seeing logs and knowing all the timing is 100%. We're taking about quite a different setup than a Dodge Charger here.


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I agree with this completely! I do know he has worked with a ton of guys on the C5 RS6 platform and they are running 91 + aces and 100 octane map. I'm not saying it's safe but there are guys doing it.

[janthony6]

Running the aces on my RS7. Brian said to use the 91 map for the first tank to clean up my engine first. Immediately noticed a difference in sound of the car and power on my 91 map. It's gotten stronger this morning on my drive. Exhaust note is noticeably louder.

My wife was in the car yesterday on the first run with it on our way to dinner and she thought I modified the exhaust.

Last week I had a misfire prior to using ACES in P0300 and P0305. I cleared it and ran the aces and so far no issues. I'm guessing my crappy Chevron was the cause. I've since switched to Shell per Brian's recommendation.

So far a thumbs up for ACES. I'll let you know when I switch maps.
Only dislike so far is that the 1 gallon jug doesn't come with a nozzle to precisely fill the squeeze bottle and it's very easy to spill some- as was my experience.

[Avned]

That's awesome! Thanks for the feedback. Still waiting on my order. Darn.

[dab]

running 100 octane map on 93 and love the performance difference. Even in drive its responsiveness and power is a hoot. This is the second tank running it with no issues.

[Avned]

Received my aces today. Gonna let it run in 91 map for awhile before making the switch to 93 then on to 100. I will be logging. So far Temps have reached 118F. Insanely hot right now and seeing all kinds of timing pulled (before adding aces).

[dumbledore]

Awesome! Thanks for your logging Avned. I would if I had the tools. Been running Aces for two weeks. Have not had a chance to really test it out though! Between heat, traffic, work, etc...... So I can't say if it is an improvement. Although it seems to feel good. Nothing scientific.

I have the VR Tune box. I just went from setting four to setting five two days ago. Have not opened it up at all since then, been busy.

[janthony6]

What exactly are we looking for in the logs? I've been trying it out on the APR app. Haven't seen anything jump out but it would be helpful to know exactly what to look for.

[dumbledore]

I would think a change in the timing numbers. How much timing is being pulled to protect the motor. If ACES works, you should see reduced timing pulls. Also, the ability to run a "hotter" map without excessive timing pulls.

Guys on 91 could run a 93 map and get the full benefit, for example.

What exactly are we looking for in the logs? I've been trying it out on the APR app. Haven't seen anything jump out but it would be helpful to know exactly what to look for.

[2wookies]

So with my APR tuned A7 would this be a good buy? Seems most you guys that are looking into it have the S or RS version of the vehicle.