**OFFICIAL** Life Beyond Stage II: the higher stage development thread

**Jroyalty7** · 02-25-2017 08:08 AM

Gotcha and I appreciate your opinion on this as I've been following your ventures pretty much since I joined here lol. I've been teetering on stage 2 vs DP, for almost a year now, been waiting for my factory warranty to expire since I don't have time, nor the extra money to flash back and forth as needed and run the chance of getting td1 flagged. Warranty is up in March so I'm trying to start putting all my ducks in a row. I guess I'm not completely deterred from DP given each of your opinions, may see if APR releases anything worthwhile by the end of March and make a final decision then... Appreciate all the feedback though fellas, definitely what makes being a forum member even better

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**Batman0424** · 02-25-2017 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Loe

I'm strictly going to stage II for non-DP related items and rather to protect the health of my intercoolers as I've had not been lucky in that realm, they aren't expensive to replace, but the amount of times I've had to replace them adds up in costs. Fortunately, others have fared better than myself.

none of the tunes with their most recent files are unsafe by any means, they all react to feedback accordingly from sensors (remember, just because a tune doesn't always tout "oem safety" doesn't mean that they don't remove or alter OEM safety measures"...) GIAC/APR has been on the 3.0t scene for a a few years in the US with substantially more success than failures, and Uni/EPL/034/REVO came in later but have the same rate.

I've been running dual-pulley for a year now and 26,xxx miles, ran it hard with I'd say 80% of that was using a solid crank pulley or various sizes, run it at the track a bit more than the average person does, and 98% of the time on various different forms of race files that targets some rather "extreme" tables that has really put fueling to the test (but between you and me, still IMHO not extreme enough). The engine is fine, I've been through 2 compression tests, passed with flying colors, with the only hiccup being my intercoolers. It still runs hard at the track, no strange behaviors with my DSG, no strange engine behaviors (knock on wood).

Good luck with whichever you choose. Stage II, particularly an aggressive one running a race file like my GIAC, brought me miles of smiles and can be just as fun too.

This is good feedback. I've been running the EPL DP with the JHM crank pulley for almost a year now (maybe 10k miles). No issues related to the tune (did have to replace coils and a couple injectors). Had a compression test when the last coil went and all was good - no issues. The caveat to this, like I said early, I'm not running the car super hard.

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**Jroyalty7** · 02-25-2017 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Batman0424

This is good feedback. I've been running the EPL DP with the JHM crank pulley for almost a year now (maybe 10k miles). No issues related to the tune (did have to replace coils and a couple injectors). Had a compression test when the last coil went and all was good - no issues. The caveat to this, like I said early, I'm not running the car super hard.

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Yeah I don't think I'll be wot at all times, in fact the areas I frequent are pretty heavily police patrolled so I would only be getting on it when safety/risk of tickets permits, oh and when being challenged by the unsuspecting out there lol. Still have time to think, in the meantime waiting on a pulley removal tool to to get here that I picked up from another member lol... just keep grabbing things here and there, it's a giftnand a curse lol

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**13jfp** · 02-25-2017 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by bhvrdr

Their stage 2+ file handled the 2.92 ratio pretty well. I can dig up some logs if you want them. I dont believe there was much boost bleed at all. If only changing the crank you could run a 184mm and go with the OTS stage 2 tune and thats pretty close.

Mike

Do u think Uni will ever put together a crank pulley package like that? A Stage "2.5+" u could say. I definitely don't want to change the blower pulley...and I can't see the point personally of going past stage 1+ for a ratio of less than 2.9 and from other people's experiences it looks like a ratio over 3.0 isn't worth the possible issues. Stage 2+ from 1+ will be another grand or so for the tune/pulley/dsg with the dsg being a must to prevent clutch slippage. I plan to change the crank pulley by 60,000 miles anyway so going stage "2.5+" at that time would be great. My warranty will be up by then too...and I'm hoping dsg rebuilds will become financially feasible too in the future. At some point the B8/8.5 should become somewhat affordable for people to own high mileage cars and be able to rebuild/repair the drivetrain....or am I dreaming?

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**bhvrdr** · 02-25-2017 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Loe

I'm likely to revert back to stage II levels for the summer. Who know's, with the methods that I've learned this past year with how to launch the car properly, maybe I'll dip it into the 11.3? Would be awesome to see that take place...

each time I log stage II guys, I'm very very envious of their IAT's and how much more consistent they reach their targets.

I totally see where you're at buddy. My IATs have been very high since going dual pulley. I was thinking of going with a 3.0 ratio for a happy medium. Interestingly in the 1/4 mile database there really isnt a lot of data yet to unequivocally support dual pulley. At the very least it doesnt seem to be the gains you would get when going from stage 1 to stage 2. It requires more alighnment of all the stars to get great performance compared to the lower pulley ratios. After installing the upgraded charge cooler I have decided to keep up the 3.17 ratio for a bit and see how this cooler holds up as the temps heat up here. We'll see. I wasnt expecting such an improvement so the jury is out for me. I think you'll get that 11.3 ;)

**Loe** · 02-26-2017 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Batman0424

This is good feedback. I've been running the EPL DP with the JHM crank pulley for almost a year now (maybe 10k miles). No issues related to the tune (did have to replace coils and a couple injectors). Had a compression test when the last coil went and all was good - no issues. The caveat to this, like I said early, I'm not running the car super hard.

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my only word of advice would be to not get the itch and go for a larger crank pulley when combined with a 57.xx upper pulley. The 179mm is really a jack-of-all-trades size, and I ordered an outer 179mm sleeve from Issam recently to prep for next fall.

**waxxonMTL** · 02-26-2017 07:21 AM

Still trying to debate this issue,

Considering I live in canada ( colder temp 6 month a year) and only have access to 93 octane. Wouldn't I need a bigger size crank pulley to get the same power/potential as a 179mm on ethanol ? or it will simply spin too fast and creat too much heat no matter how cool the temp is and what cooling mod I have ?

Seems like most people are going back to 184/179mm pulley, but then when I compare the fact, it seems that most of these ppl (1) lives in hot climate (2) have access to ethanol

tHOUGHT ?

**bhvrdr** · 02-26-2017 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by waxxonMTL

Still trying to debate this issue,

Considering I live in canada ( colder temp 6 month a year) and only have access to 93 octane. Wouldn't I need a bigger size crank pulley to get the same power/potential as a 179mm on ethanol ? or it will simply spin too fast and creat too much heat no matter how cool the temp is and what cooling mod I have ?

Seems like most people are going back to 184/179mm pulley, but then when I compare the fact, it seems that most of these ppl (1) lives in hot climate (2) have access to ethanol

tHOUGHT ?

Its true low ambients are helpful when doing short bursts but also keep in mind loes intercooler issues may be related to boost pressure too (as well as the killer chiller possibly). It may not be just heat alone

**theswoleguy** · 02-26-2017 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by bhvrdr

Its true low ambients are helpful when doing short bursts but also keep in mind loes intercooler issues may be related to boost pressure too (as well as the killer chiller possibly). It may not be just heat alone

You may on to something. The killer chiller lowers the temp pretty low, then you rapidly heat cycle it with a strong pull and thermal expansion may be tearing them down.

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**bhvrdr** · 02-26-2017 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by theswoleguy

You may on to something. The killer chiller lowers the temp pretty low, then you rapidly heat cycle it with a strong pull and thermal expansion may be tearing them down.

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Loe will be able to say if he had more issues with kc installed vs not but you have to think all of these things are potential variables -- boost alone, heat alone, temp differences with kc. Im wondering when ill get a leak. Im hoping 3.17 isnt quite,on the edge. Im definitely not going higher

**Loe** · 02-26-2017 09:16 AM

too soon to tell. There were too many variables to factor in when my intercoolers went in the past (different forms of cooling systems and crank pulley sizes in between each event). There is a side of me that leans towards air velocity over temperature cycles based on where/how each leak started.

**Batman0424** · 02-26-2017 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Loe

my only word of advice would be to not get the itch and go for a larger crank pulley when combined with a 57.xx upper pulley. The 179mm is really a jack-of-all-trades size, and I ordered an outer 179mm sleeve from Issam recently to prep for next fall.

I've been happy with the 179; this is my DD and it needs to be reliable. After needing to replace some bad coils and injectors, I don't want to push too far with mods that could lower reliability.

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**KnewJack** · 02-26-2017 01:00 PM

I agree. I'm happy with the 179 right now. Extra power would be nice, but not if it turns into a one trick pony that is only good 1/4 mile at a time before heat soak. I can do multiple pulls with the 179 and stock cooling with minimal effect on power with ambient temps hovering around to 55-70dg. Once summer heat gets here around June, ill upgrade the HX setup.

Loe, did you have IC issues with the 179 and stock cooling?

**vdubed13** · 03-05-2017 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by 13jfp

Do u think Uni will ever put together a crank pulley package like that? A Stage "2.5+" u could say. I definitely don't want to change the blower pulley...and I can't see the point personally of going past stage 1+ for a ratio of less than 2.9 and from other people's experiences it looks like a ratio over 3.0 isn't worth the possible issues. Stage 2+ from 1+ will be another grand or so for the tune/pulley/dsg with the dsg being a must to prevent clutch slippage. I plan to change the crank pulley by 60,000 miles anyway so going stage "2.5+" at that time would be great. My warranty will be up by then too...and I'm hoping dsg rebuilds will become financially feasible too in the future. At some point the B8/8.5 should become somewhat affordable for people to own high mileage cars and be able to rebuild/repair the drivetrain....or am I dreaming?

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They already have. They just haven't released it. I've been on UNI dual pulley for probably 15k miles now daily drive my car and went 11.55 at the track last fall. I am still doing testing for them and hope to get in the 11.3 range with a few small software tweaks when the track opens back up in 2 weeks. The file that I am on now I have been on since day one and daily it on is an animal. I switch to the race file when I go to the track and run 104

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**13jfp** · 03-05-2017 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by vdubed13

They already have. They just haven't released it. I've been on UNI dual pulley for probably 15k miles now daily drive my car and went 11.55 at the track last fall. I am still doing testing for them and hope to get in the 11.3 range with a few small software tweaks when the track opens back up in 2 weeks. The file that I am on now I have been on since day one and daily it on is an animal. I switch to the race file when I go to the track and run 104

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Are u on just a larger crank pulley?

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**Loe** · 03-05-2017 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by KnewJack

I agree. I'm happy with the 179 right now. Extra power would be nice, but not if it turns into a one trick pony that is only good 1/4 mile at a time before heat soak. I can do multiple pulls with the 179 and stock cooling with minimal effect on power with ambient temps hovering around to 55-70dg. Once summer heat gets here around June, ill upgrade the HX setup.

Loe, did you have IC issues with the 179 and stock cooling?

yes, I did actually, that was my first encounter with the IC leaking. But then again, you have to remember that I take the car down to the strips a lot.

On a side note, I went to Orlando Speedworld today just for giggles, D/A was 650-700ft. I couldn't lay traction on my 1st or 2nd attempt unfortunately, but did land a 123.06mph personal best trap

.... that's also bleeding at the top of 1st and 2nd gears top. I put away my RE-71r's thinking my boost season was over, so I was stuck working with PSS's with 4/32" treadlife.. Hopefully I can get a revised/finalized file from GIAC soon. My best was 11.32 today

the car short-shifted the 1-2 very very early due to the wheelspin but couldn't manage to pull itself into the 11.2x region despite a 1.61 60ft.

Nice to have mercury in the 30.4x mmHg range + 40% humidity, the air was dense despite it being 72F outside, so that showed up in my 27.xx mph delta, which I did not think was possible with the B8.5's taller gearing.

**xpoweruk** · 03-07-2017 10:58 AM

My new pulley is nearly ready,it's getting drilled tomorrow

181mm

**whiped** · 03-07-2017 11:13 AM

Nice! Keep us posted

**kelseysautobody** · 03-07-2017 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by xpoweruk

My new pulley is nearly ready,it's getting drilled tomorrow

They probably have it under control but make sure they account for the offset hole and mark it

**xpoweruk** · 03-07-2017 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by kelseysautobody

They probably have it under control but make sure they account for the offset hole and mark it

They have been informed about that already :)

**xpoweruk** · 03-07-2017 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by whiped

Nice! Keep us posted

Will do.Not sure when it will be fitted though

**whiped** · 03-07-2017 12:15 PM

Are you going to keep the Revo tune?

I was bleeding boost even with just the CTS pulley.

With that plus the 186 crank I cannot keep the bypass closed at all.

**xpoweruk** · 03-07-2017 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by whiped

Are you going to keep the Revo tune?

I was bleeding boost even with just the CTS pulley.

With that plus the 186 crank I cannot keep the bypass closed at all.

Going to see how it performs first before I make a decision.
If I change it will be to a custom map I think

**Lensch09** · 03-08-2017 10:21 PM

Well folks, I've moved into the stage where I will start ditching the "pretty wheels" when I go to the track. New trackers weigh in at 42ish per corner. Haven't weighed my pretty shoes yet, but I'm guessing 55+ per corner.

Hunting for 11s and another .5 MPH+ in trap to snag the 6 speed MT record (until someone bests it, enter APR in 2 weeks?).

18X8.5" Ultraleggeras on 245 PSS compared with AG 9.5"on 255/265 XL DWs.

Reason: car will not pull less than 1.8# (with multiple drivers including world record-holder drivers from JHM). Outta the hole with 1.8# + 92 1/8 is low for a 26 MPH long end car.

Consistent 25+ backhalf car...

Stay tuned folks! Keep pushing this platform!

-DL

**Lensch09** · 03-08-2017 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Well folks, I've moved into the stage where I will start ditching the "pretty wheels" when I go to the track. New trackers weigh in at 42ish per corner. Haven't weighed my pretty shoes yet, but I'm guessing 55+ per corner.

Hunting for 11s and another .5 MPH+ in trap to snag the 6 speed MT record (until someone bests it, enter APR in 2 weeks?).

18X8.5" Ultraleggeras on 245 PSS compared with AG 9.5"on 255/265 XL DWs.

Reason: car will not pull less than 1.8# (with multiple drivers including world record-holder drivers from JHM). Outta the hole with 1.8# + 92 1/8 is low for a 26 MPH long end car.

Consistent 25+ backhalf car...

Stay tuned folks! Keep pushing this platform!

-DL

Firstly, to say that 1000 DA makes a "big marketable difference" on a car... That's actually pretty funny.

I digress...

If only GIAC would give me the DP files for the B8.5 chassis....

Also to note, GIAC has a launch control to 6MT fellas... None of anything that anyone knows works on a 6MT car running single mass flywheel, strong clutch, mounts, dual pulleys, "pretty" wheels, etc. It bogs like crazy. I see DP ran LW BBS wheels to get his/her 11.8. I'll give that a whirl, but knowing what he/she ran (lightweight 19s) makes it less impressive.. Just got a quote of $610 + taxes and fees on 260 GTX.... if GIAC doesn't release soon, Laszlo wants the car... He'll have it.

Gonna go back to SAC raceway next Wednesday. Shoot for the moon and hope for the best, right fellas?

My personal opinion is that with the given variance of DSG cars, I haven't seen anything proven to make a "faster" "best upgrade" car, yet. Hopefully, I'm wrong (my way of giving APR credit).

**DBFL** · 03-08-2017 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

If only GIAC would give me the DP files for the B8.5 chassis....

Also to note, GIAC has a launch control to 6MT fellas... None of anything that anyone knows works on a 6MT car running single mass flywheel, strong clutch, mounts, dual pulleys, "pretty" wheels, etc. It bogs like crazy. I see DP ran LW BBS wheels to get his/her 11.8, we'll give that a whirl.

Where did you hear that about launch control for 6MT? Perhaps someone is mistaking LC for no-lift shifting.

**Lensch09** · 03-08-2017 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by DBFL

Where did you hear that about launch control for 6MT? Perhaps someone is mistaking LC for no-lift shifting.

Nope...Turning EVERYTHING off. Sport mode asks me for launch at 4k... No to that.

As far as I'm concerned, APR/GIAC/MTM/EPL/YOURMOM can't help me or anyone else drive a 6MT. Has anyone "ultracharged" a 6MT? I'm actually kinda curious....

JHM record holders for B7A4 and B8S4/B8S5 drivers have driven my car.... Long story short, it isn't getting better. If anything, I'm consistent (and faster). Makes sense since it's my car.

Clutch/wheels just simply have too much grip to rip out of of the hole. Either I'm right, and I find time. Or, I'm not. We'll find out in a week.

Regarding future of platform:

GIAC has figured it out (by way of getting rid of OEM file and offering Valet, PUMP (performance) and RACE on their handheld for the B8.5).

If I can't jump programs on the go (by way of ECMS, handheld, or laptop) then fuck that. Keep your 597 hp (rollseyes)....

Have fun going to your dealer to re-flash to RACE mode, and back (probably $250+ in labor, plus time, plus 9$ per gallon on 260).... Running at a track as follows:

$350+ = flash into and out of "race file" for ultracharger for B8.5 guys.... If shop is even open when you come back home....

**DBFL** · 03-08-2017 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Nope...Turning EVERYTHING off. Sport mode asks me for launch at 4k... No to that.

As far as I'm concerned, APR/GIAC/MTM/EPL/YOURMOM can't help me or anyone else drive a 6MT. Has anyone "ultracharged" a 6MT? I'm actually kinda curious....

JHM record holders for B7A4 and B8S4/B8S5 drivers have driven my car.... Long story short, it isn't getting better. If anything, I'm consistent (and faster). Makes sense since it's my car.

Clutch/wheels just simply have too much grip to rip out of of the hole. Either I'm right, and I find time. Or, I'm not. We'll find out in a week.

Seriously, GIAC has figured it out (by way of getting rid of OEM file and offering Valet, PUMP (performance) and RACE on their handheld for the B8.5,

If I can't jump program on the go (by way of ECMS, handheld, or laptop) then fuck that. Keep your 597 hp (rollseyes)....

Yeah... Let's not get started with JHM. I'm really displeased with them at the moment. I'm going to have to pull my transmission and replace a clutch with less than 3000 miles on it. Oh, and buy a different clutch also. All because they have/had an employee that was unknowledgeable about the products they sell.

**Lensch09** · 03-08-2017 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by DBFL

Yeah... Let's not get started with JHM. I'm really displeased with them at the moment. I'm going to have to pull my transmission and replace a clutch with less than 3000 miles on it. Oh, and buy a different clutch also. All because they have/had an employee that was unknowledgeable about the products they sell.

PM sent. I have no affiliation with them... But, I have friends that can help (that work for JHM).

Personal information also sent.

-DL

**ntsantos** · 03-08-2017 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

PM sent. I have no affiliation with them... But, I have friends that can help (that work for JHM).

Personal information also sent.

-DL

I thought I would run in to you at Sac tonight.

**Lensch09** · 03-09-2017 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by ntsantos

I thought I would run in to you at Sac tonight.

Nah. Next week! Work has been too much this week, couldn't get away.

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**BlownOne** · 03-09-2017 06:17 AM

Dan you might want to hit the test and tune on Saturdays (I'll be here this Saturday) to get a lot more attempts/passes than on Wednesdays. It's $50 vs $20 on Wednesday, but it's well worth it when trying to sort everything out.

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**BlownOne** · 03-09-2017 06:25 AM

Dan you might want to hit the test and tune on Saturdays (I'll be here this Saturday) to get a lot more attempts/passes than on Wednesdays. It's $50 vs $20 on Wednesday, but it's well worth it when trying to sort everything out.

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**ntsantos** · 03-09-2017 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by BlownOne

Dan you might want to hit the test and tune on Saturdays (I'll be here this Saturday) to get a lot more attempts/passes than on Wednesdays. It's $50 vs $20 on Wednesday, but it's well worth it when trying to sort everything out.

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Very true lately. Two weeks ago I hot lapped 4 runs in a row and had to take a break. I was able to get 6 passes in less than an hour while taking said break.

**Lensch09** · 03-09-2017 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by BlownOne

Dan you might want to hit the test and tune on Saturdays (I'll be here this Saturday) to get a lot more attempts/passes than on Wednesdays. It's $50 vs $20 on Wednesday, but it's well worth it when trying to sort everything out.

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Car has too much fuel in it to do that! Still though, what time does it start?

-DL

**sonic32** · 03-09-2017 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Nope...Turning EVERYTHING off. Sport mode asks me for launch at 4k... No to that.

As far as I'm concerned, APR/GIAC/MTM/EPL/YOURMOM can't help me or anyone else drive a 6MT. Has anyone "ultracharged" a 6MT? I'm actually kinda curious....

JHM record holders for B7A4 and B8S4/B8S5 drivers have driven my car.... Long story short, it isn't getting better. If anything, I'm consistent (and faster). Makes sense since it's my car.

Clutch/wheels just simply have too much grip to rip out of of the hole. Either I'm right, and I find time. Or, I'm not. We'll find out in a week.

Regarding future of platform:

GIAC has figured it out (by way of getting rid of OEM file and offering Valet, PUMP (performance) and RACE on their handheld for the B8.5).

If I can't jump programs on the go (by way of ECMS, handheld, or laptop) then fuck that. Keep your 597 hp (rollseyes)....

Have fun going to your dealer to re-flash to RACE mode, and back (probably $250+ in labor, plus time, plus 9$ per gallon on 260).... Running at a track as follows:

$350+ = flash into and out of "race file" for ultracharger for B8.5 guys.... If shop is even open when you come back home....

I'm so confused about your first statement. I have GIAC St 2 6MT and if i turn EVERYTHING OFF it revs to the limiter so im not sure where you found this launch control you're talking about. If you rev in gear with traction on then it will rev to 4k but traction off and its free revving.

**ntsantos** · 03-09-2017 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Car has too much fuel in it to do that! Still though, what time does it start?

-DL

Rain in the forecast next Wed.

**moophone** · 03-09-2017 04:11 PM

F$@! I love that grey. My last three cars have been black. Next time, I'm doing something different. Oh yeah, Wine is good too.

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Well folks, I've moved into the stage where I will start ditching the "pretty wheels" when I go to the track. New trackers weigh in at 42ish per corner. Haven't weighed my pretty shoes yet, but I'm guessing 55+ per corner.

Hunting for 11s and another .5 MPH+ in trap to snag the 6 speed MT record (until someone bests it, enter APR in 2 weeks?).

18X8.5" Ultraleggeras on 245 PSS compared with AG 9.5"on 255/265 XL DWs.

Reason: car will not pull less than 1.8# (with multiple drivers including world record-holder drivers from JHM). Outta the hole with 1.8# + 92 1/8 is low for a 26 MPH long end car.

Consistent 25+ backhalf car...

Stay tuned folks! Keep pushing this platform!

-DL

**BlownOne** · 03-09-2017 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by ntsantos

Very true lately. Two weeks ago I hot lapped 4 runs in a row and had to take a break. I was able to get 6 passes in less than an hour while taking said break.

Hahaha it's crazy when you run so much you need to take a voluntary break!

Originally Posted by Lensch09

Car has too much fuel in it to do that! Still though, what time does it start?

-DL

Get to driving then lol. Gates open at 10-10:30am and passes start at 12pm

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**jokingjimmy** · 03-10-2017 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by DBFL

Yeah... Let's not get started with JHM. I'm really displeased with them at the moment. I'm going to have to pull my transmission and replace a clutch with less than 3000 miles on it. Oh, and buy a different clutch also. All because they have/had an employee that was unknowledgeable about the products they sell.

If you don't mind, I'm looking to get a clutch in the near future, was considering their "R" clutch. Which did you get by mistake, and which should i be considering if not the "R"?

Thanks for your insight and experience.