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    Hey guys,

    I just wanted to post this up and see how it compares to others. My MPH were a bit low but it was quite hot outside, in the high 80's and low 90's so definitely not ideal.

    My best pass of the day was a 12.96 @ 104.7 and a 1.85 60'. I have an APR tune and a full Milltek exhaust, no cats or resonators. I have attached a video of me running a stock Terminator and I beat him but he had a higher trap speed than I did, I think with this one I should have been in the 12's as well but I hit the limiter in 2nd so it killed me. It was my highest trap of the day. I dyno'd last year before my cc and general tune up to 329 at the wheels. I never got back to the dyno after the CC so I don't know what I got out of that.

    I am working on getting a good copy of my fastest pass, against a Charger Scat pack on drag radials, he edged me 12.75-12.96 but I was right there with him until we hit ~104 and he put 4mph on me and pulled away.

    What are your thoughts here? Is it me or is this MPH low? I unfortunately didn't bring VCDS with me to log and see fuel maps but I do know it runs crazy rich with the APR tune.


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    The dragstrip*.....closes thread LOL

    Congrats for going tho...In this heat, decent time....

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    Getting down to the 12's is one hell of a feat, especially for an all wheel drive manual. Did you turn off traction control?

    I was also expecting some cornering action, so slightly disappointed by the thread title...
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    You are not going to run super fast times in 80 to 90 degree air. These V8s get hot as hell and even if you ice them down between runs, it is only going to help a little bit. Try to get some runs in the Fall when it is like 50-65 degrees out. Bring ice to put on the intake manifold, take all your crap out of the car, work on shifting faster, and above everything else make sure that you shallow stage. The stock RS4 record is a 12.75 et @ 108 mph by Sakimano on Audi-Revolution.net and he has a bunch of great tips for running faster times if you go over there.

    Not to be rude either but you might want to reconsider your choice in mods too. The APR tune offers like no gains and the Milltek exhaust is too small for this engine.

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    What kinda gains are you really gonna get with an N/A tune anyway? OP, keep the APR tune, its safe for the car, and takes away the speed limiter and torque limiters and slightly improves the gas mileage. You're good. That imola does look good going down the strip! Kudos! Just wait till it's cooler, if you're really into that kinda thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbluers4 View Post
    The dragstrip*.....closes thread LOL

    Congrats for going tho...In this heat, decent time....
    LOL my thoughts exactly

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    Thanks guys! I thought about the title after I made it and wondered if it would throw people off. My apologies. @jimmybones, the mods were on the car when I bought it. I am thinking of changing things a bit and getting a different tune and possibly swapping the exhaust or at least adding cats if nothing else.
    @torquesteer, I did have the TC off during my runs


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    More aggressive tune always means more potential for issues since you are adding more stress to 8-9 year old engine components. You are only going to gain maybe 5-10whp? more so is it really worth it? Not like the turbo and s/c cars where you can gain 100+ whp on tunes.

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    Excellent ET and 60' time. The trap speed is very typical, especially in summer temps. In fact, you should consider a 104 trap speed as "fast" for a RS4 on the track this time of year, so don't be too disappointed. Why do you say the tune is "crazy rich". What VCDS parameters are you looking at? Like the others said, if you want a higher trap speed, race in cool weather, make sure you are using good 93 octane gas, and shift quickly and at the correct RPM. If you don't ice the manifold, at least make sure the car gets a chance to cool down between runs. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverRS4 View Post
    Excellent ET and 60' time. The trap speed is very typical, especially in summer temps. In fact, you should consider a 104 trap speed as "fast" for a RS4 on the track this time of year, so don't be too disappointed. Why do you say the tune is "crazy rich". What VCDS parameters are you looking at? Like the others said, if you want a higher trap speed, race in cool weather, make sure you are using good 93 octane gas, and shift quickly and at the correct RPM. If you don't ice the manifold, at least make sure the car gets a chance to cool down between runs. Good luck.
    Where could someone find the correct times to shift through the gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverRS4 View Post
    Excellent ET and 60' time. The trap speed is very typical, especially in summer temps. In fact, you should consider a 104 trap speed as "fast" for a RS4 on the track this time of year, so don't be too disappointed. Why do you say the tune is "crazy rich". What VCDS parameters are you looking at? Like the others said, if you want a higher trap speed, race in cool weather, make sure you are using good 93 octane gas, and shift quickly and at the correct RPM. If you don't ice the manifold, at least make sure the car gets a chance to cool down between runs. Good luck.
    Hearing you guys is making me feel better about my trap speeds. I haven't done anything with VCDS yet, I should have but forgot to bring with me. I was using a mixture of 93 and 110 unleaded race fuel, just to see if that would help in the heat and honestly, I don't know if it changed anything.

    I say it is crazy rich with no scientific data to back it up at this point but the smells, the hot start woes I have at times and the general amount of black smoke and particles on the back of my car lead me to say it. It may not be as rich as I think but until I log it, that is my feeling about it.

    I didn't ice the intake down or anything but my best runs did come after letting the car sit a good 40 minutes or so with the hood open and getting the oil temps down to ~160-170 before running. We are planning on going again when we get some cooler weather in he coming months to see what the difference will be, I will definitely try to cool it down more before we start running then to see where I can get the car at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by badbluers4 View Post
    The dragstrip*.....closes thread LOL
    HA! Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbluers4 View Post
    What kinda gains are you really gonna get with an N/A tune anyway? OP, keep the APR tune, its safe for the car, and takes away the speed limiter and torque limiters and slightly improves the gas mileage. You're good. That imola does look good going down the strip! Kudos! Just wait till it's cooler, if you're really into that kinda thing.
    With the right NA tune and a catless 2.75 inch exhaust it is not unrealistic to see a 30 to 40 horsepower gain on a RS4. I tend to be pessimistic with claims for gains on both NA and FI engines until I see it and I have seen it with local RS4s around me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malv1 View Post
    Thanks guys! I thought about the title after I made it and wondered if it would throw people off. My apologies. @jimmybones, the mods were on the car when I bought it. I am thinking of changing things a bit and getting a different tune and possibly swapping the exhaust or at least adding cats if nothing else.
    @torquesteer, I did have the TC off during my runs


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    Okay, the previous owner could get gotten those parts a long time ago when the RS4 performance mods were weak. I will admit that the Milltek exhausts do sound great but the performance just is not there.

    Quote Originally Posted by daytonars4 View Post
    More aggressive tune always means more potential for issues since you are adding more stress to 8-9 year old engine components. You are only going to gain maybe 5-10whp? more so is it really worth it? Not like the turbo and s/c cars where you can gain 100+ whp on tunes.
    It is to be assumed that all the preventative maintenance should be done before anyone starts modding a car. I have gone to car shows and guys talk about mods that they want to do but I am like how about fixing the oil leaks, damaged vacuum lines, and doing some maintenance.

    Be careful to not confuse the performance gains of FI engines on race gas with the performance gains of NA engines on pump gas. There is a big difference and when the FI engines are still on pump gas they are far less impressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by low_qu4ttro View Post
    Where could someone find the correct times to shift through the gears?
    Practice, repetition, and taking notes on what works/doesn't work. Are you referring to when to shift at the dragstrip, road course, or both?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malv1 View Post
    Hearing you guys is making me feel better about my trap speeds. I haven't done anything with VCDS yet, I should have but forgot to bring with me. I was using a mixture of 93 and 110 unleaded race fuel, just to see if that would help in the heat and honestly, I don't know if it changed anything.

    I say it is crazy rich with no scientific data to back it up at this point but the smells, the hot start woes I have at times and the general amount of black smoke and particles on the back of my car lead me to say it. It may not be as rich as I think but until I log it, that is my feeling about it.

    I didn't ice the intake down or anything but my best runs did come after letting the car sit a good 40 minutes or so with the hood open and getting the oil temps down to ~160-170 before running. We are planning on going again when we get some cooler weather in he coming months to see what the difference will be, I will definitely try to cool it down more before we start running then to see where I can get the car at.


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    How many miles do you have? I just didn't see it posted anywhere if you posted it before.

    A lot of RS4s around me have needed a new PCV valve/oil separator and new or rebuilt fuel injectors along with a carbon clean to get their cars running right. Can you do two things for me to give us some more information?

    1. Clean off the area around the oil filler cap, start the engine, let it run at idle, try to open the oil filler cap. The engine should shutter and then smooth out. If it stalls out, runs like crap and doesn't smooth out, the oil filler cap doesn't come off easily (it might seem like it is being sucked into the engine), or there is a loud noise that comes from the back driver's side of the intake manifold then then your PCV valve is bad.

    A new PCV valve/oil separator is expensive at around $250 but it is worth the money if yours is bad. It is also kind of a pain in the ass to replace because you either have to remove the intake manifold or force the plastic secondary air injection hose out of the way to get to the lower T30 Torx bolt.

    2. Hook up your VCDS, open up the VCDS on your laptop, go into the Select control module option, go into 01-Engine Electronics, go into measuring value blocks, go to channel 32, and write down or take a picture of the readings. Then go back far enough to then go into 11-Engine Electronics, go into measuring value blocks, go to channel 32, and write down or take a picture of the readings. Let us know what those readings are. That channel 32 measuring value block is for the fuel trims to see how the ECUs are adjusting how rich or lean the engine is running.

    A lot of members here have been getting their fuel injectors rebuilt/flow matched or get new fuel injectors from RockAuto.com. The rebuilt/flow matched injectors work for some and others have had issues still. The new injectors from RockAuto.com are listed under the R8 because they are the same part number but they are Hitachis instead of OEM. Cost wise it is like between $20-30 per injector to get them rebuilt/flow matched or like $55 per injector to buy new from RockAuto.com

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    Yes Jimmy, we are aware of the gains from a Tune and Exhaust that coincidentally has grenade'ed RS4 motors just as recently as Sunday. (Look at McSuly's car in the "What did you do with your RS4 today?" Thread) The 2.75 exhaust is a non-debate. If anyone still wants to gamble with their RS4 after that many coincidental motor failures, that's on them.

    And no the gains from a FI tune on pump gas are not less impressive. There are still 80hp gains from just a tune alone.

    OP, It is true that the smoke coming out of your tail pipes is more of a PCV valve/Fuel Injector issue than a rich tune issue.

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    Do you have information and facts to back up your statement?

    I'm just curious if you may know more details about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbluers4 View Post
    Yes Jimmy, we are aware of the gains from a Tune and Exhaust that coincidentally has grenade'ed RS4 motors just as recently as Sunday. (Look at McSuly's car in the "What did you do with your RS4 today?" Thread) The 2.75 exhaust is a non-debate. If anyone still wants to gamble with their RS4 after that many coincidental motor failures, that's on them.

    And no the gains from a FI tune on pump gas are not less impressive. There are still 80hp gains from just a tune alone.

    OP, It is true that the smoke coming out of your tail pipes is more of a PCV valve/Fuel Injector issue than a rich tune issue.
    I went and read the post that you are referring to. McSuly never posted what actually failed. Also how do we know if he actually did any maintenance before beating on the engine? It is interesting that the guy pushing McSuly's issue on to the tune is Bootleg25Q. He seems to have an agenda after he got reamed for not actually posting any factual information in his BS thread a long time ago.

    If you are referring to the APR stage 1 93 octane tune on the B8 S4s then I am not impressed. I have seen a bunch at the dragstrip and they couldn't keep up with my lowly B6 S4 or the local RS4s while on pump gas. Race gas is a different story though. Some of us actually test real performance rather than pull out a dyno sheet whenever someone asks about our cars.

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    Not just in the Audi World. Look at other platforms. Look at BMW, JB4 tunes make massive power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbluers4 View Post
    Not just in the Audi World. Look at other platforms. Look at BMW, JB4 tunes make massive power.
    Oh the good old bait and switch tactic huh? Dude stay on point. We are discussing Audis.

    Willing to bet that the next thing that you post will be "you don't even own a RS4, lol!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBones View Post
    Oh the good old bait and switch tactic huh? Dude stay on point. We are discussing Audis.

    Willing to bet that the next thing that you post will be "you don't even own a RS4, lol!"
    Huh? there is no bait and switch. Everyone knows JB4 is killing the BMW tuning world. Maybe you don't. Even if you want to keep it Audi (since you're narrow-minded) The Stage 1 APR tune on a B8.5 S4 is 134 HP @ 7200 RPM and 98 TQ @ 7200 RPM over stock. All on pump 93. So what's so less than impressive about that? That was the point Daytona RS4 was making earlier about Tunes on NA vs Tunes on FI. It's a huge difference. Not worth it to gamble on a few HP for an NA car. You want real power, go throw a blower on an RS4. Simple

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    Thanks for all the replies! My car is at 118k miles, had a carbon clean done last summer ~ 3k miles ago or so and at the same time I replaced the oil separator, did plugs, most fluids, need to still do brake and coolant this year. Car has had new oxygen sensors in the last year as well as they went bad.
    I have been reading about the injectors from Rock Auto from the R8 as of late and I am very intrigued to grab a new set while they are pretty well priced. I will do the oil cap trick to see how that is but it should be good since I just replaced the separator but I will do it just to make sure and the next time I am out with the car, I will get my laptop with me to check those value blocks.


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