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    So I had my black a6 fully detailed a few weeks back. When I picked it up it looked amazing! but after a wash a seeing it in direct sunlight i can see all the swirl marks from the buffer. I didn't really pay for the detail it was a trade with a friend so I'm not too bummed about it, the inside of the car looked brand new so that alone was worth it but now I'm just wondering what I can do on my own to make it better?

    you can see the swirls above the door handle, when the sun hits the car right they are all over
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    Do you have any of your own tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLEANA3 View Post
    Do you have any of your own tools.
    i do not. I have no clue about this stuff or where to even start
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    I would find a professional detailer in your area and have it buff and then sealed. I just want down this same road
    my Roush looked bad when I picked it up from the dealer. I had it done by a pro and all I can say is wow. I had it coated with
    CQuartz FINEST. The best money I have spent for car care in a long time. I got it done about year and a half ago and only washed it 4 times
    the rest of the time I just rinse it off with just water.

    Look it up on youtube lots of good info on it.

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    been there done this. I know how you feel. Its not as hard as it seems, and you can make it beautiful again... see my experience here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...logram-removal

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanentrust View Post
    So I had my black a6 fully detailed a few weeks back. When I picked it up it looked amazing! but after a wash a seeing it in direct sunlight i can see all the swirl marks from the buffer. I didn't really pay for the detail it was a trade with a friend so I'm not too bummed about it, the inside of the car looked brand new so that alone was worth it but now I'm just wondering what I can do on my own to make it better?

    you can see the swirls above the door handle, when the sun hits the car right they are all over
    Quote Originally Posted by seanentrust View Post
    i do not. I have no clue about this stuff or where to even start

    If you have no experience or tools, start by reading up on some of the How To threads and what the videos at AutoGeek. Mike Phillips has some excellent videos that will prove very insightful.

    That said, it's just a matter of time and some money to fix it up. I just had a correction/training with a fellow AZ Member who was getting into detailing his New to Him S4 but wanted guidance. The best thing I could offer is to not try and boil the ocean at once; especially if you're doing things alone. Not many of us have 14hrs in one day nor is it wise to try and do that alone in one day.

    The other key for you is gong to be proper technique at caring for black. It's tough as black is not forgiving at all in terms of improper care. Especially in terms of proper towels to use and technique drying her off which is were the majority of owners end up with swirls.

    Here's a first-draft at some basic supplies and tips and I'm happy to chime back in on this thread over time with more as you move forward. Ask away and feel free to PM.

    Buffer - Invest a Flex 3401. It's about $350 but drop the mike walk away one of the best. Others are good too but this particular flex is a direct-drive powered buffer where it will not stop spinning like many of the other Dual Action units including some of the longer throw higher end ones. If a buffer isn't rotating, it's not correcting. The 3401 will be much faster and offer better corrections in 1/3 to 1/2 the time as other buffers.

    Pads - Will vary a bit depending on the buffer as there are general flat pads and color codes for each system/manufacturer. With the above 3401 look for Hybrid pads. Get 5 Medium Cut Pads, 5 polishing pads and 2 last step product pads. AGain, read up on them and come back with questions as we can cover more later.

    Products - Key to any detail. Products are the number one factor as that's what's touching the paint. Keep it simple. There are tons of products that are on-par and you'll get as many recommendations as there are posts. I've covered some other products in other threads here too. Here's mine:

    Compound - I love Meg's Ultimate Compound. You won't likely need it over the whole car but then I've not seen your entire car. Meg's ultimate line is excellent and works great. Staple in your cabinet. I also really love HDAdapt. It's a medium compound that finishes like a polish. I keep this in my cabinet as it's less aggressive and yet works wonders. Great for areas that may need a bit of work down the road or you miss and don't clean up entirely with the first detail.

    Polish/AIO - HDPolish and HDSpeed. Read up on the 3D HD Products. I have dozens of different products in my cabinet and consistantly come back to HD's. Excellent Product, great and reasonable pricing. Polish is exactly that. A good staple to have in your cabinet. Speed is an All in One which will remove medium swirls and defects with ease and if you're pinched for time it also has HDPoxy, their sealant in it. Not he longest lasting in terms of protection but you can top it with HDPoxy anytime and it helps you in a time crunch for a one and done. It's my go-to for all in one applications. I'll show you an Accord I did this weekend that was as bad as your car.

    Last Stop Product aka LSP. Litterally hundreds of good ones out there. HDPoxy is a solid one that is a hybrid wax/sealant - very strong and ultimate in gloss level. Keeps you in a simple HD product a family too. Finish Kare 1000P is my go-to for summer. Highest temp resistant synthetic polish out there - excellent for black that bakes in the sun all summer.

    Lastly, down the road, once corrected, you will have no need to further polish your car if you maintain it well, so rather than continuing to abrade the clear coat with polishes, you'll use a Jeweling Wax. McKee's 37 makes one of the better ones. I used it on my car several weeks back and the results were outstanding. Really refines the finish, offers a solid Carnauba Wax Base for protection and is safe to use nearly as often as you want.

    Sorry for the long winded approach to an initial post but I thought it would prove helpful to you. Looking forward to helping where I can. In time you'll have your car turned into a black-mirror. It's not difficult. Here are a handful of mine - Brilliant Black. One, Two, Three, Four, Five
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    Find a local detailer.
    It looks like they used a high speed buffer and wool pad, but they dialed to follow up with a black foam polishing pad. I can see the wool pad trails it left.
    An orbital buffer would fix that.
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    Looks like the person used a glaze and did not correct the swirls. The glaze hid this at first and once you washed it, it removed the glaze and now the true paint condition is showing thru.

    HUMP

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    I had the same issue when I purchased my black A5. The dealer wash left swirls and haze all over. Heres what I did (by no means am I a professional)

    heres what youll need
    2 buckets
    2 grit guards
    polish (i used m205 meguiars)
    DA polisher (i purchased one from harbor freight for 60 bucks)
    polishing pad
    sealant or wax of your choice (i used jezcar menzerna power lock) if you use a sealant a wax isnt neccesary
    microfiber towels
    microfiber drying towels
    IPA diluted

    1. wash and rinse using the 2 bucket method
    2. dry thoroughly (make sure you get the water out of the door jams and mirrors)
    3. claybar thoroughly.
    4. with the car dry and clayed, polish with the DA polisher and polishing pad. wipe down with microfiber after completing a panel.
    5. rub down with the IPA solution to get all the polish off the vehicle
    6. apply sealant or wax

    and last step would be to admire your hard work!

    all in all it took me about 5 hours just for the exterior of the car. best of luck

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    Looks like improper use of a da, or like SC Detailer said the person glazed it and did not polish the car out properly.

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    Try Optimum Poli-Seal. It can remove swirl marks and helps seal the paint.

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    thanks guys for the all the input, after a few washes the car looks like it was never detailed but i know it was from the holograms left behind so i'm curious as to what went wrong? I'm taking it back to my friends shop next week. I wasn't going to make a stink about it but bottom line it looks worse than before the detail.
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    good luck. I personally wouldn't give the same place a second opportunity to make it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanentrust View Post
    thanks guys for the all the input, after a few washes the car looks like it was never detailed but i know it was from the holograms left behind so i'm curious as to what went wrong?
    clearly the person detailing it hasn't a clue on how to use a rotary.

    I'm taking it back to my friends shop next week. I wasn't going to make a stink about it but bottom line it looks worse than before the detail.
    I wouldn't take it back. Not to who did that to it. Again, it's pretty clear they don't know what they're doing. Invest in what you need to do it right and take a nice afternoon to do it yourself.
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    Update?

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    probably used a sealer to mask the swirls after using a rotary polisher... it irks me when I see things like this!

    your car needs to be done with a DA polisher, and some sort of coating afterwards whether it's jet seal or ceramic coat etc.
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    @pdqgp - thanks for your helpful post. I just got (new to me) a black S5 and will be using your tips. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqgp View Post
    clearly the person detailing it hasn't a clue on how to use a rotary.



    I wouldn't take it back. Not to who did that to it. Again, it's pretty clear they don't know what they're doing. Invest in what you need to do it right and take a nice afternoon to do it yourself.
    Definitely. It is more satisfying to do it yourself if at all possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wookies View Post
    Update?
    i picked up a meguiars DA polisher from a friend today, gonna order some new pads and meguairs ultimate and go to town!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zatman View Post
    @pdqgp - thanks for your helpful post. I just got (new to me) a black S5 and will be using your tips. Cheers
    Looking forward to seeing pics of it! It's a chore to keep nice but it is just as rewarding. Even after a rain storm a clean black car, while dirty, still shines through and looks noticeably sharp.
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    Well I just ordered everything from chemical guys to do a full 3 stage paint correction and wax on my A6 :) wish me luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanentrust View Post
    Well I just ordered everything from chemical guys to do a full 3 stage paint correction and wax on my A6 :) wish me luck!
    good luck. although I'm not sure you need to invest 3 separate steps. today's products leave 1-2 tops really as all that's needed. With the right pads and buffer you'd be surprised at the outcome from good quality AIO products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqgp View Post
    good luck. although I'm not sure you need to invest 3 separate steps. today's products leave 1-2 tops really as all that's needed. With the right pads and buffer you'd be surprised at the outcome from good quality AIO products.
    Yes I plan starting with a 2 step. My q5 will likely need a 3 step.
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    Well I spent a good 3 hours on the car last night and at dusk it looked great but will have to wait till the sun comes out today to know for sure if the holograms are gone.

    I used all chemical guys products.

    Washed the car with v07
    Clayed the car
    DA with white pad and v36
    DA with blue pad and v38
    Applied butter wax by hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanentrust View Post
    Well I spent a good 3 hours on the car last night and at dusk it looked great but will have to wait till the sun comes out today to know for sure if the holograms are gone.

    I used all chemical guys products.

    Washed the car with v07
    Clayed the car
    DA with white pad and v36
    DA with blue pad and v38
    Applied butter wax by hand
    You did all that in 3 hours? Thats pretty impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipl View Post
    You did all that in 3 hours? Thats pretty impressive!

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    yeah it might have been closer to 4 hours and also the whole front is clear bra so that made it a little quicker

    here are some photos

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