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    Cool My Somewhat Detailed Experience with Daily Driving in Dynamic...

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    Hello everyone,

    So lately I have been running an experiment with daily driving my car while in Dynamic. Now I am talking about the Audi Drive Select mode 'Dynamic' with S-Tronic transmission, without involving any manual shifting via paddles or gear selector/shifter. That being said, I decided on my last refuel, to drive in Dynamic and see how things go.

    Now I have used Dynamic a few times, but never for a long period of time, especially for an entire commute both to and from work. I wanted to see with the specific characteristics and features that Dynamic offers, what would my commute be like. So here it goes...

    As you can safely guess, in Dynamic, the car is quicker. I know, I know, it is more responsive, but that to me, translates to how quick it is to respond, especially in traffic. In Dynamic, it takes less throttle input to accelerate quickly, so I found myself often using that characteristic to get around lazy drivers and to quickly pass vehicles that I simply do not want to be in back of.

    Along with the car being quicker to respond, the aggressiveness of both the shifts and engine braking really is something special. The aggressiveness takes some getting used to because of the shift points being higher than you are used to. I also found that I would use my brakes less when in Dynamic because of the engine braking. I think that is what it is called. The car required very little brake input when it came to stop signs, traffic lights, and stopping in general.

    Being in Dynamic really allows the car to come to life. The exhaust note, with sports exhaust, is beautiful, surprising, and fun to listen to. The engine being at 3,000 plus RPMs makes you feel as if you are on a track racing. Something I have yet to do. And of course it is very easy to find yourself over accelerating to hear the engine and that exhaust note. So how is it commuting with this car in Dynamic every day...?

    Well, unless your commute consists of an average speed above 40 MPH, it is not worth it UNLESS you want to refuel often and wave goodbye to your MPG. And when I say often, try 5 days. In 5 days I was below a 1/4 of tank, and I had driven 184 miles. My commute is 26 miles round-trip. It consists of city-like driving (Not actually driving in a city) and a few miles of highway driving. It also consisted of completing my daily routine, which consists of driving to a rock gym, which also includes city-like driving and a very long stretch of highway use. The driving was limited to brief displays of spiritied driving but the majority of the time I was tryimg to be as normal as I could be. So here's the problem...

    First, S1/S2/S3/S4/S5/S6 refers to gears 1 through 7, while in Dynamic mode.

    Now, unless you can get out of S3, it becomes a nuisance. Let me explain...

    To get out of S3, the programming requires the car to be at 41 MPH which forces the transmission to shift to S4. If you are stuck in S3, your engine's RPMs increase from 3,000 to 3,500 plus RPMs which just causes you to waste fuel. And if you cannot get out of S2, simply forget it. I found myself exceeding the posted speed limit by 5 and 10 MPH often to get out of these gears because something about the engine being at a high RPM for a long time is unsettling...

    Seriously, it feels quite strange when the engine approaches 3,000 plus RPMs and keeps climbing when the traffic is moving slow. You feel as if you are over revving the engine and drawing unwanted attention at times, especially in parking lots. I found myself becoming frustrated while in traffic and listening to the engines RPM increase to almost 4,000 RPM.

    But once in S4, the car can be at a lower speed, say 35 MPH, without the transmission shifting into S3. So, unless you can get out these 2 gears, you are just wasting precious fuel.

    Now for some gotchas I did not know about... In Dynamic, the 7th gear (S7), which is overdrive, is not available or is locked out, no matter how fast you try to go. The only time S7 can be used is if you are using cruise control while in Dynamic. (Told you I tried everything in my experiment :)

    Also, if you are using Individual, and have the Engine/Transmission set to Dynamic and the car is shut off, when you start the car up again, Individual is selected but the Engine/Transmission is not in Dynamic. It requires you to cycle between modes for Dynamic to be enabled.

    All things considered, Dynamic is both fun and exciting. I found myself smiling a lot and marveling at the experience I was witnessing everyday. The transmission in the RS 5, unlike any of the other Audi models, with the exception of the R8, is the most aggressive transmission available. Driving in Dynamic really puts you in control of a very responsive vehicle that comes to life at a moments notice. But in my opinion, it is not for constant use with a daily driving. You will simply find your average MPG taking a serious hit and refueling more. All while listening to the engine whine due to high RPMs with low speed.

    As for me, after spending a week in Dynamic, I am looking forward to next week's commute to work in Auto.

    Thanks everyone for reading and hope you enjoyed this as much as I have!
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    Great write up Agilis

    I find the Individual modes switching out the dynamic settings an annoyance too as Individual mode is my usual setting so it has to be part of the start up procedure to reselect it.

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    Thanks James! I know it was long but I wanted to get all the points across. Anyways, hope all is well man. Your car and now engine bay is looking sick as ever. Jealous right now. But hey, I'm looking to order an Eventuri Intake and Engine cover so I may have some questions soon if its not a bother. So question, if the switching is an annoyance to you, does that mean you drive with the Engine/Transmission set to Dynamic often?
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    I agree. I only use it at the track or when trying to quickly pull into heavy traffic (then switch it to auto). It seems to stop the hunting for 1st gear I can get when accelerating quickly from a stop.
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    Excellent write-up and observations. It's great for spirited driving only as the car seems to intuitively select the perfect gear for the situation, Around town...that's another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agilis View Post

    Now, unless you can get out of S3, it becomes a nuisance. Let me explain...

    To get out of S3, the programming requires the car to be at 41 MPH which forces the transmission to shift to S4. If you are stuck in S3, your engine's RPMs increase from 3,000 to 3,500 plus RPMs which just causes you to waste fuel. And if you cannot get out of S2, simply forget it. I found myself exceeding the posted speed limit by 5 and 10 MPH often to get out of these gears because something about the engine being at a high RPM for a long time is unsettling...

    Seriously, it feels quite strange when the engine approaches 3,000 plus RPMs and keeps climbing when the traffic is moving slow. You feel as if you are over revving the engine and drawing unwanted attention at times, especially in parking lots. I found myself becoming frustrated while in traffic and listening to the engines RPM increase to almost 4,000 RPM.
    umm I am I missing something... why the hell wouldn't you just tap the paddle on the back of your steering wheel and pop into the next up gear and bring the revs down??

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    Quote Originally Posted by spa View Post
    umm I am I missing something... why the hell wouldn't you just tap the paddle on the back of your steering wheel and pop into the next up gear and bring the revs down??
    Yup.

    This car is meant to be driven in manual mode. IMO the Dynamic auto is too rough and harsh, specially on the downshifts. Unless you're doing a long drive on cruise control.
    The comfort / auto modes are too laggy and slow.

    I drive 95-99% on dynamic, manual. Even for commutes and city driving.

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    There is a transmission update to make the downshifts less aggressive in dynamic mode, they updated mine on its last service, feels a little better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spa View Post
    umm I am I missing something... why the hell wouldn't you just tap the paddle on the back of your steering wheel and pop into the next up gear and bring the revs down??
    Well you're right, but for my experiment, my goal was not to involve any manual shifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazed1 View Post
    Yup.

    This car is meant to be driven in manual mode. IMO the Dynamic auto is too rough and harsh, specially on the downshifts. Unless you're doing a long drive on cruise control.
    The comfort / auto modes are too laggy and slow.

    I drive 95-99% on dynamic, manual. Even for commutes and city driving.
    Would you mind sharing on how you accomplish such a task? Like for example, what RPM you find yourself shifting at? Also, how is your fuel economy? See, I would like to try to accomplish the same thing but I don't really know when to shift.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesRS5 View Post
    There is a transmission update to make the downshifts less aggressive in dynamic mode, they updated mine on its last service, feels a little better now.
    Thanks for the heads up James. I'll have to check with my dealership and see if I could have that update.

    UPDATED: According to my dealership, there is no TSB regarding a transmission update for my vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agilis View Post
    Would you mind sharing on how you accomplish such a task? Like for example, what RPM you find yourself shifting at? Also, how is your fuel economy? See, I would like to try to accomplish the same thing but I don't really know when to shift.

    Thanks!
    Fuel economy is something I don't look at. I did driving for a week in comfort / auto (miserable week :p) and came with about 15 mpg. This is a lot of commute and city driving. Now in dynamic / manual, I get about 12-13.

    I usually upshift between 3.5-5.5k. Mostly around the 4-4.5k mark depending on gear. Drive it a bit in manual, it will take a week or two to learn the right shift points, but then it just becomes second nature. from 1-2 I will up shift at lower RPM's. All depends on speed. This way, if there's a steady moving traffic of 50mph, I can be in 4th or 5th since it is my choice. The RS5 also holds gears and won't up shift for you, but it will downshift if its well below normal RPM (say around 1200-1500). So when coming to a stop / real slow down, you don't need to down shift manually if you don't want to.

    With Dynamic auto, you will not be using the 7th gear, unless you're on cruise control. So that will impact MPG.

    Give it a try driving in manual for a week. I think it'll completely change your perspective on driving this car.


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    PS, here's my MPG's tracked from the time I bought my car. The complete dips in to the 5-6 is when I track the car (includes driving a few miles to the pump :p) And the low 20's are from really long trips (150+ miles) and on adaptive cruise.

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    Yeah, driving on manual mode most of the time, in the individual setting where everything is on dynamic except steering which is on comfort. The best!
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    As for when to shift, shift when you would have shifted if the car had a manual transmission, it's really no different. (disregard if you have never driven a manual transmission)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brava View Post
    Yeah, driving on manual mode most of the time, in the individual setting where everything is on dynamic except steering which is on comfort. The best!
    Comfort is the worst mode IMO. Makes the car feel like my civic.


    Quote Originally Posted by spa View Post
    As for when to shift, shift when you would have shifted if the car had a manual transmission, it's really no different. (disregard if you have never driven a manual transmission)
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agilis View Post
    Thanks for the heads up James. I'll have to check with my dealership and see if I could have that update.

    UPDATED: According to my dealership, there is no TSB regarding a transmission update for my vehicle.
    Have a read of this thread Agilis, the update number is listed for you to quote to your dealer. They also told me there wasn't an update but I honestly think they are just too lazy to check.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...mission-Update

    I believe this is the same as I had? Downshifts are definitely smoother.

    I just reported the downshifts are too aggressive in S mode, it felt like there was an anvil loose in the trunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesRS5 View Post
    Have a read of this thread Agilis, the update number is listed for you to quote to your dealer. They also told me there wasn't an update but I honestly think they are just too lazy to check.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...mission-Update

    I believe this is the same as I had? Downshifts are definitely smoother.

    I just reported the downshifts are too aggressive in S mode, it felt like there was an anvil loose in the trunk.
    Thanks James for linking me to that thread. I have already reached out to my dealer with the correct TSB.
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    Huh. I only drive mine in Dynamic mode since I own it. It has 6K miles now. The other modes don't give me the sound and feeling I expect from a car like the S4. But mine is a manual thought
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    Strange experiment . Yeah, Dynamic mode in the RS5 isn't exactly meant for commuting. Each mode has its sweet spot. I quite enjoy Comfort mode on a long highway journey. For daily driving, I use Individual mode with everything in Auto except the sports differential, which I keep in Dynamic. You can get the responsive powertrain any time by simply pulling back on the shifter and put it in S and then manual mode if you like. That's how I roll if I want more go. For puttering around town at 25/35 mph, D does a pretty good job. If I need to get around somebody I put it in manual. On the highway, I always keep it in manual, unless I have ACC engaged and just following traffic. Full Dynamic mode, I only use on fun back roads and canyons.

    As for the transmission update, I concur with James, get it done. It's how it should have been from the beginning. It addressed pretty much all the quirks I didn't quite like. Give it some time to re-adapt to your driving style after the update.

    Quote Originally Posted by simbat View Post
    Huh. I only drive mine in Dynamic mode since I own it. It has 6K miles now. The other modes don't give me the sound and feeling I expect from a car like the S4. But mine is a manual thought
    Well, we are talking about the RS5 here. The S4 in Dynamic is kinda like driving the RS5 in Comfort mode .
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazed1 View Post
    Yup.

    This car is meant to be driven in manual mode. IMO the Dynamic auto is too rough and harsh, specially on the downshifts. Unless you're doing a long drive on cruise control.
    The comfort / auto modes are too laggy and slow.

    I drive 95-99% on dynamic, manual. Even for commutes and city driving.
    I resisted this but now I drive this way 99% of this time as well. Can't do it the 'old' way anymore.


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    With respect to lagging throttle etc, I solved this problem by installing a throttle/peddle box which allows you to alter the response curve of the fly by wire accelerator. Absolutely transformed the car.

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    One other aspect of driving with the transmission in sport mode is the way it will hold a gear during hard cornering. If I take a curve agressively it will hold the shift point a lot longer than it usually would with acceleration being equal. I can't really recall seing this discussed anywhere but I find it interesting.
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    I usually drive in Individual right now with the transmission set to Auto. Provides a good feel for my daily driving around Atlanta. I have the sport exhaust with the vacuum unplugged so I can get a good deal of sound no matter the mode. It is just a quick flick down on the shifter to get into sport mode. I find dynamic fine if I am feeling like a fun drive.
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    See my other tread but after more driving the car has to be in dynamic D to feel fast. Works great!

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