When will APR show the longitudinal EA113 some love?

[mscottdemarco]

The object of this post is to attract the attention of APR so that they may offer an explanation or update for the A4 2.0 TFSI EA113
So.. Ive been with APR for over 4 years now. Ive had all the tunes. Stage I-II+ and even removed my runners. Ive experienced a few updates. A few years back they added the locking ECU, and the coded entry feature. Shortly after they came out with a dongle and gave us access to the tune using an iphone. Not so long ago, they (finally) released an android version of that application that may have bugs, but I still thank them for it. The problem that I have is that the tune has not been updated in quite a long time.

This is what my made into an and then after a few days a . https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_u...i_trans_r.html What you are looking at there is another EA113 engine (even though it sits traverse) with a slightly different (I'm sure) med9.1 ECU. That vehicle is making considerably more power/rotational energy than my vehicle. The edition of the ECU is 3.0. The edition of my ECU is 1.1. Comparing version numbers, it would seem that APR has progressed through 3 different methods of tuning that vehicle.


Problems with tune.
Over the years I have had very little trouble, Arin and Erin have been pretty easy to find when I needed them. Since I added APR mobile however, I have been completely unable to switch my tune using the cruise control stalk. Ive had it flashed numerous times as well, and one thing I believe is certain is that the code used to add mobile into the tune breaks the funcionality. I have been in contact with many people about this problem. It has not even been addressed. I believe this is a BWT engine problem as not every single person has this issue. Im not even sure if APR is aware that there are five different 2.0 TFSI engines in this North American car. The BGB BPG BWE BUL and BWT. I have no idea if this would effect the functionality. There are also a few different ECUs available, Mine is the 8e1910115G so the G version.
Please chime in if you have a different ECU version


Features I would like to see added:

• Your left foot braking feature
• APR Motorsport Launch Limiter
• APR Motorsport No-Lift Shift

The ECU is capable of it. Other tuners enable it. What stops the company I purchased my tune from enable it, when they do for others just like it?


Conclusion
When you love your car so much and see all the APR Releases threads and updates on Mobile to other vehicles you figure eventually yours will come. you kinda get like all . but you know, I am beginning to think that APR will not ever release any custom upgrades to this car because it is not cost effective. I would like to let you know, there are still people purchasing these cars. There is still some money left in it for you. Especially now that price of a used A4 has reached the "I better part it out/Ill have it forever" level for serious builders. I would venture to say you have a whole 'nother generation of potential buyers picking up this car cheap from others that have merely driven the car. There are parents buying this car used for their teens. And those teens will look for tunes, so anyway:

Please, ask your electrical engineers directly about this.

I am fine with not being able to control my car through the wiper stalk. I bought mobile and I can use mobile. But pretty please will you enable the features noted above? Some of us don't have the time to learn WinOLS and cant stomach paying a half grand more than once for a tune. Please enable them and allow me to pay you $200 to add it to the tune.

[Black3.2]

This is my opinion on your post:

You have a B7 A4 - that car was last produced in 2008 (8 years ago) most of those cars will be off the road very soon and even fewer of them will be able to make revenue for any tuner company. Why would any tuner company spend money on R&D for a shrinking customer market? My assumption is it is purely a business decision. They now have B8, B8.5 and B9 A4's - that is where the R&D goes.

Probably not the answer you were looking for and for your sake i do hope i am wrong and you get what you are looking for.

[james12lucy]

This is my opinion on your post:

You have a B7 A4 - that car was last produced in 2008 (8 years ago) most of those cars will be off the road very soon and even fewer of them will be able to make revenue for any tuner company. Why would any tuner company spend money on R&D for a shrinking customer market? My assumption is it is purely a business decision. They now have B8, B8.5 and B9 A4's - that is where the R&D goes.

Probably not the answer you were looking for and for your sake i do hope i am wrong and you get what you are looking for.

Though I don't fully disagree. I don't know, why don't we ask the lads at JHM. The fact that an 8 year old platform that cost $60k when new, is now falling into the realm where they're attainable for the younger and less affluent crowd. It seems to me that there are likely a LOT of people moving in to newer Audis (B8/B8.5) and selling their B7 to a new crop of enthusiasts. One would deduce that money could be made by an after-market manufacturer on this new crop of owners.

And with that, I'll continue to support JHM because they continue to support our platform.

[B7OrangeA4]

Whens the last time someone from APR posted in the section?

[rongeur]

Whens the last time someone from APR posted in the section?

Arin helped clear up my Smog readiness issue earlier and they have a solution for 2+ tunes, but I would have come at another shop feel to fix so I opted another route. Unfortunately the TFSI is a limited platform by its direct injection platform and limited available larger injector selection. All high horsepower builds to date are limited by fueling ceiling before anything else. Compound that with shrinking number of cars on the road. Compound that with the cost to build this engine that equals the value of the car. Compound that with the still much lower HP outcome compared to other platforms and it all adds up to a logistical business decision to stop R&D on this platform. APR services VW, Seat, Audi and Porsche so they have so many other areas to focus on, asking them to spend (waste) time on the B7 platform is a no-brainer negative.

Now JHM has stepped forward and brought a breath of fresh air to this platform, first shop to do so since RAI, but have done it correctly and quality jigs, R&D etc. They have proven themselves with S4 and Rs4 platform and continue to push the boundaries with the B7 2.0T platform. As of current, the stage 3 kit has likely hit a fueling ceiling but I am optimistic they have a solution that will be released in the next year. Dru is building the engine to improve his already fastest 1.4 mile time. Stay tuned!

There are other tuners stepping forward in limited custom fashion as well including Bluewater in CO and United Motorsports (same?) that are working on some solutions as well.

OP, you have reached the end of the line with APR, as you said it, they have failed to update their tunes etc. I would suggest you just to another tuner that is staying up to date!

[mscottdemarco]

Arin helped clear up my Smog readiness issue earlier and they have a solution for 2+ tunes, but I would have come at another shop feel to fix so I opted another route. Unfortunately the TFSI is a limited platform by its direct injection platform and limited available larger injector selection. All high horsepower builds to date are limited by fueling ceiling before anything else. Compound that with shrinking number of cars on the road. Compound that with the cost to build this engine that equals the value of the car. Compound that with the still much lower HP outcome compared to other platforms and it all adds up to a logistical business decision to stop R&D on this platform. APR services VW, Seat, Audi and Porsche so they have so many other areas to focus on, asking them to spend (waste) time on the B7 platform is a no-brainer negative.

Now JHM has stepped forward and brought a breath of fresh air to this platform, first shop to do so since RAI, but have done it correctly and quality jigs, R&D etc. They have proven themselves with S4 and Rs4 platform and continue to push the boundaries with the B7 2.0T platform. As of current, the stage 3 kit has likely hit a fueling ceiling but I am optimistic they have a solution that will be released in the next year. Dru is building the engine to improve his already fastest 1.4 mile time. Stay tuned!

There are other tuners stepping forward in limited custom fashion as well including Bluewater in CO and United Motorsports (same?) that are working on some solutions as well.

OP, you have reached the end of the line with APR, as you said it, they have failed to update their tunes etc. I would suggest you just to another tuner that is staying up to date!

Thanks for that. I think it might be time to make the switch in the very near future. I'm hearing alot about JHM these days, really ever since they set that 1/4 mile record. They support all the features I am asking for and like I mentioned, hold the record. It would also alleviate much of the internal conflict I am experiencing by supporting a company that has abandoned me.

I see the whole cost/tune argument. I do. but, the fact is, it really shouldn't take someone who knows what they are doing with "APR's Proprietary ECU Explorer", "APR's ECU Composer" and "full access to every table, map and variable within the ECU" much time at all to edit the same maps they have found in the same ECU. Ive been on Nefmoto researching it for a while and it seems rather straight forward on other Bosch ECUs like the MED7. Hell someone even made an app for the time constrained bunch. Ive gone so far as to extracted my wife's identical ECU with MPPS into winols and loaded a ton of maps, none have been the right ones. I dont really have the time. But, since "APR’s Calibration Engineers are not limited to a handful of maps as is common for most tuning companies",
I fail to see how it would take a competent "calibration engineer" or "electrical engineer" more than a few hours to add this crap.

As I said, the point of this thread was to attract the attention of APR so that they may offer an explanation or update. I was hoping to generate some interest from my fellow Azers, but all I am getting is the 'why can't you see this is over' thing. What I do see now, is that this company may have completely lost the interest of the b7 crowd. It is truely a shame to have patronized and promoted a company until the bitter end to have them abandoned ship. I also see it is also only a matter of time before someone releases a damos for this ECU. Until then, I guess I will be abandoning ship as well.

[mscottdemarco]

Id also like to ask, how did he clear up your smog issues? My readiness fails for emissions despite the fact that I have the file. I am nervous about an upcoming inspection at the end of the month.

[klrider44]

Go JHM and don't look back. They actually support the b7 platform. Dru and Jake are great guys over at jhm and are willing to help you make the most of your car. I have recently went stage 3 and it's great

[rongeur]

Id also like to ask, how did he clear up your smog issues? My readiness fails for emissions despite the fact that I have the file. I am nervous about an upcoming inspection at the end of the month.

Re: APR Stage 2+ trouble with readiness, CA Smog Cert
Quote Originally Posted by rongeur
Hey Arin,

Can you check for me what Apr file I have. I have to get Smog Cert very soon and having trouble getting the Cat (stock cat temporaily installed) to pass readiness in OBD2. I am fairly sure the APR tune codes out the 2nd O2 sensor preveting Cat readiness. What do I need to do to get my ECU monitors to read ready.

VIN: Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Last flash for stage 2+ was at 034 Motorsport in Fremont CA

Also, can you confirm the tune program switching order as well? thanks in advance!

Jesse Fa

Arin's response:
Jason, you have this file installed:

Audi A4 NA MY2008 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 8E1910115G S0010 Stages 1/2 V1.1 Testpipes APR Pump [APR Mobile]

You need this file:

Audi A4 NA MY2008 Tip 2.0T FSI 8E1910115G S0010 Stages 1/2 V1.1 [Stock Non-Testpipes] APR Pump [APR Mobile]

In stock mode, this file will run all of the readiness tests for the catalyst, just like it would if you never flashed the car with software.

-Arin

Yes, my name is in fact Jesse and not Jason as Arin responded to, but at least he was fast to respond and I assume the information is correct. However, I am in the middle of engine swap next weekend with already purchased JHM tune and cheeta cable and switching APR tune would have cost me shop fees whereas JHM helped me out by allowing me to use the Cheeta cable to revert to stock profile within the package I purchased.

I could not reach or force readiness with APR file as it was coded out to prevent CEL with test pipe. JHM tuning maintains readiness even with stage 2 and 3 tunes. The spacer on the test pipe eliminates the CEL APR was preventing

[APR_Fast]

Id also like to ask, how did he clear up your smog issues? My readiness fails for emissions despite the fact that I have the file. I am nervous about an upcoming inspection at the end of the month.

As rongeur stated, you must flashback to stock. I had the same issue when I first moved to California and I had to have the car completely flashed to stock for the car to set readiness. I don't have a test pipe on the car but my tune had it possibly due to the exhaust. An annoyance but it's car hating California's fault with it's smog regulations, not APRs. Wouldn't be surprised if California goes the way Paris did with not allowing vehicles older than a certain age in city centers.

[mscottdemarco]

Jason, you have this file installed:

Audi A4 NA MY2008 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 8E1910115G S0010 Stages 1/2 V1.1 Testpipes APR Pump [APR Mobile]

You need this file:

Audi A4 NA MY2008 Tip 2.0T FSI 8E1910115G S0010 Stages 1/2 V1.1 [Stock Non-Testpipes] APR Pump [APR Mobile]

In stock mode, this file will run all of the readiness tests for the catalyst, just like it would if you never flashed the car with software.


The spacer on the test pipe eliminates the CEL APR was preventing

See that is the shit I am talking about though. Does that make any sense at all? I have tried a testpipe and 034 hfc and neither one will allow the ecu to set readiness. I'm 100% sure that when I had the stage II (no +) tune, I could set readiness with a hfc. Ive had two inspection stickers with it. I know my wifes bone stock car performs better after readiness is set. There was a point when these cars were newer and this shit wasn't functioning correctly. Your going to code out the CEL so I dont have to look at it, great.. its all good now. When my son's diaper is dirty, I usually just stick him in a closet too. One thing I refuse to look at is a problem.

In all seriousness tho, is it like frowned upon to modify an ECU to set readiness at a track?


edit-----

I remember now, my readiness problem started after I took out my runner flaps. Something about those runner flaps just didnt jive 100%. Cold starts were never an issue tho.

[rongeur]

In the 2+ situation, to my understanding, is that the disabling of the rear O2 sensor is to prevent CEL. You are correct, it is a very low tech way of eliminating a CEL that eventually becomes a problem if ever OBD 2 readiness is needed. If that was the only way, then okay, but JHM has proven its not. Matter of fact, using a spacer with a test pipe or HFC that pulls the sensor out of the stream is just as effective at preventing cel without manipulating sensor maps and code. I didnt have a problem or know of it until smog time. Digging deeper, I found it has been an issue in the VW crowd as well on Vortex.

[BenMTL]

I love my APR Stage II+ tune and they've been at our platform from the start but made some really products but the same thing pissed me off recently...Seeing a TON of things for that new 2.0T platform (discounts, huge performance gains over us, new features, etc) but nothing for us...

I called them about it and was just as disappointed...I feel like they definitely could have done all the same things for us, but they don't want to? It definitely isn't in their financial interest to ignore us I don't think...Look at JHM.

[oVeRdOsE]

I have the feeling even if the B7 platform is old, that more flash will be done on the b7 since most of them are out of warranty.
This is the good time to flash an audi.

Not quite sure that a lot of people will tune recent b8 or b9, according to the history of audi's engine reliability.

imho, they should ''leave'' old platform.

[Ringsby4]

APR here in Oz wanted to charge me $A400 if I needed to flash upgrade if I got a cel after fitting my HFC and were adamant that I would,luckily with spacer I didn't-now that's l what I call love (NOT) !

[Operator]

I have the feeling even if the B7 platform is old, that more flash will be done on the b7 since most of them are out of warranty.
This is the good time to flash an audi.

Not quite sure that a lot of people will tune recent b8 or b9, according to the history of audi's engine reliability.

imho, they should ''leave'' old platform.

But don't forget many B8's are now out or warranty.

[Operator]

Whens the last time someone from APR posted in the section?

This isn't the last time: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...d-Head-Porting

But can you blame them for not wanting to come back with regularity, when that's the reception they receive.......