US the only country without fog lights on the A4?

[UCFast]

Every promotional picture I've seen of the A4 has had fog lights except for those here in the states.

And even then I've seen one slip into an advertisement from time to time.

Does anyone know the particular reason why Audi decided to delete them on the US model A4?

As someone who lives in an area with a lot of morning fog, I've used my fog lights quite a bit in the past, so I'm pretty bummed.

[AudiTechS4]

arent the fogs in the headlights now ?

[UCFast]

All the pictures I've seen with them had them in their traditional spot on the lower griller corners. If they're integrated into the US headlights I'd appreciate it if anyone could go over how that works for me. I'd love to hear about first hand experience using them.

[AudiTechS4]

we dont get super low line headlights here

[superswiss]

All the pictures I've seen with them had them in their traditional spot on the lower griller corners. If they're integrated into the US headlights I'd appreciate it if anyone could go over how that works for me. I'd love to hear about first hand experience using them.

Those are not fog lights. Those are the radar sensors for the adaptive cruise control, forward collision avoidance/warning system and traffic jam assist. They are only there if the car is equipped with the necessary driver assist options even in the US. There are no more separate fog lights in any country. The "fog lights" are integrated into the head lights.

[Cadx6]

The headlight switch now has a position for something called "All Weather Lights" which I guess replaces dedicated fog lights. According to the manual, that feature simply adjusts the headlights for less glare back to the driver in foggy / wet conditions.
We do still have rear fog lights though

[Fantasiamon]

I very much dislike the loss of traditional fogs down below. In my opinion the overall look is somewhat lessened with them lacking. I don't want fog lights that need to be low built into the headlights.


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[superswiss]

Looks is about all they are good for. It's long been shown that fog lights do very little in terms of additional visibility. About all they are good for is to safely make very slow progress in heavy fog, rain or snow by helping the driver see the edges of the road. Many drivers will never find themselves in such a situation. On high performance cars with actual functional air intakes where the fog lights are, all they do is block off part of the air intake that could otherwise be used to bring in more air. That's why RS models haven't had fog lights for a long time. Don't remember if they every had them.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...fog_lamps.html

[UCFast]

Those are not fog lights. Those are the radar sensors for the adaptive cruise control, forward collision avoidance/warning system and traffic jam assist. They are only there if the car is equipped with the necessary driver assist options even in the US. There are no more separate fog lights in any country. The "fog lights" are integrated into the head lights.

Ahhhhh!!!! Now it makes more sense. I went to the configurator on the Audi website and sure enough the radar sensors pop up when you equip the driver assistance package. Thanks for the clarification!!!

[casuso]

arent the fogs in the headlights now ?

This is correct!

[Mitchfin]

I very much dislike the loss of traditional fogs down below. In my opinion the overall look is somewhat lessened with them lacking. I don't want fog lights that need to be low built into the headlights.


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I promise these all weather lights are better than any traditional fog light I've ever had on any of the cars I've driven, like miles better.

[Fantasiamon]

I promise these all weather lights are better than any traditional fog light I've ever had on any of the cars I've driven, like miles better.

I hear you but I really love the look of fogs down below.

[Mitchfin]

I hear you but I really love the look of fogs down below.

You could always just spring for driver assist package and then you have the look . . . I know it's not the same.

[Fantasiamon]

You could always just spring for driver assist package and then you have the look . . . I know it's not the same.

Ya not quite the same.
(Current Wagon).

[Mitchfin]

Ya not quite the same.
(Current Wagon).

I've never been a fog light person so it hasn't been something I've missed. You could always go aftermarket.

[BettaJetta]

Hey Folks, here is some more info......In Germany, when a car is equipped with LED headlights, there isn't an option for fog lights. I've seen this on VAG (Skoda, Seat, VW and Audi) cars.

[Sojournin]

The all weather lights aren't as bright as the fog lights (I had a B8.5), when I turned on the weather lights, both cornering lights (integrated into the headlight assembly) turned on. I don't know if it adjusts anything on the LED headlights though.

[OmaHahn]

I promise these all weather lights are better than any traditional fog light I've ever had on any of the cars I've driven, like miles better.

Having hard time believing this - proper fogs are low to the ground and on the corners of the car to light up the nearest pavement and edges of the road AND use YELLOW lights (scientifically proven for better lighting in inclement weather).

[Mitchfin]

Having hard time believing this - proper fogs are low to the ground and on the corners of the car to light up the nearest pavement and edges of the road AND use YELLOW lights (scientifically proven for better lighting in inclement weather).

I live in a really dry state where most of our inclement weather is in the winter, and seeing as the car is so new I haven't had a chance to use them in the snow but in the rain, fog, and on normal nights you can actually tell that they are adding visibility, especially at night, they still are aimed low but cast a huge amount of light off the sides and below the headlights. And for cornering its night and day. I've never been able to tell when the cornering lights were on or not on my B8, especially when its a higher tier headlight with lower tier fog. Yellow may be better at creating more contrast but comparing the two different lights is just foolish, they are different beam patterns, lumens, and area covered. Yellow, is also the hardest color for our eyes to process and the most fatiguing, hence why it strains your eyes. Recreating daylight is going to be much more beneficial in inclement weather than having tinted lighting, scientifically. But either way, I notice a larger difference in the 'bad weather lights' I'll try to get a picture of them on vs off in the garage.

"However, in foggy conditions, the size of the water vapor particles is increased to the point where they are no longer of similar size to the blue light wavelengths, and are now of similar size to the yellow-orange-red wavelengths, and will tend to scatter and extinguish light in these bands, but will pass blue light.2"

LED's are still so new so there is very little research on them but there is more than just color at play, like the fact that the beam is coming from a fractionally smaller diode and creating less direct light to reflect. "the advantage that LEDs have in these conditions is the same advantage that they have in any circumstance, in that it is a directional emission source as opposed to a spherical one."

Here's an article from the IMSA Journal

[Mitchfin]

Here are some photos that may help show the difference, obviously this is in a garage with the light stopping very close to the car so you can't fully see the beam pattern but you can see how effective they are..

[OmaHahn]

Here are some photos that may help show the difference, obviously this is in a garage with the light stopping very close to the car so you can't fully see the beam pattern but you can see how effective they are..

Sh*t! that does put some good light to the corners! Impressive!

[Mitchfin]

Sh*t! that does put some good light to the corners! Impressive!

Right?! They're seriously good. I drive with them on all the time cause they add so much visibility. Especially in neighborhood driving they illuminate all the way over to the sidewalk.

[Fantasiamon]

I wonder if you could swap yellow bulbs in still.....


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[Mitchfin]

I wonder if you could swap yellow bulbs in still.....


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No, there aren't bulbs. They're diodes 1cm wide and you'd need to replace the headlight all together.

[Fantasiamon]

No, there aren't bulbs. They're diodes 1cm wide and you'd need to replace the headlight all together.

Ugh.

[photographer143]

No one does fog lights anymore. The full LED's are great enough to pierce the fog at certain distances that they became obsolete. If you look at any of the new model luxury cars none of them have it. Especially in Europe with the Audi Matrix LED's that we sadly can't get.

[bluetori]

You can there just the new ecodes and code them.