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    The Avant Rumor Thread: What Is And Isn't Coming To The States.

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    Hey guys,

    I know there are a few threads out there about whether or not the RS4 will ever come to the states, but after being away from Audi for awhile I so badly want to come back and own an Avant again, almost any Avant. It's a little hard to accept the Allroad as the only wagon-variant available, especially after owning an E63 for the last three years, but at this point any news is good news.

    So, what have you heard / read? Post quotes from the rumor mill here, links to stories and photos, or whatever else that may be deemed as encouraging news for the U.S. Avant scene.

    Personally, I'd be so very happy with a simple B9 S4 avant, but I'm really hoping there's some crazy person over there at AOA that sees a market for the RS6 avant.
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    I've decided to part ways with Audi due to lack of importing the long-roofs. Unfortuantely.

    My next pick will be the 2017 Volvo V90.
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    I would like to buy wagon+turbo/supercahrger+AWD+manual

    Couldn't find a new car to match all these so I sacrificed the body shape and got the last manual S4. After driving bunch of fast cars in the past no way I go back to something under powered and with automatic transmission.

    I'm not regretting, but thinking of getting a cheap old truck or SUV as a second car to tow boat and haul furniture, garden stuff etc.

    These Volvos are all automatic too I bet ... And they are build like any other newer car - to last not much longer than the warranty period and buy new after few years ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copen-cisco View Post
    I've decided to part ways with Audi due to lack of importing the long-roofs. Unfortuantely.

    My next pick will be the 2017 Volvo V90.
    Same plan here unless Audi pulls their heads out of their asses and give us some good wagons!
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    The new E400 wagon looks nice but I think I'm leaning towards the V90.
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    I bought a project '03 E39 540it to hold me over but I'm pretty sure my allroad is gone next year for an E63 wagon.


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    The RS 4 Avant should be coming here.

    I will not share my sources but they're reliable.

    It's a shame that Audi is SO transfixed by numbers that they can't 'take one for the team' but they are in business to make money after all. North America is OBSESSED with SUVs- of all shapes and sizes. They just love them. And they buy tons and TONS of them. The Q5 outsells the A4 SEDAN. This isn't an Audi issue, all manufacturers are taking this same practice. For this model year there will 10 total wagons for sale and that's it. Choices will be incredibly thin for the foreseeable future- from all manufacturers. It's been good on Mercedes that they still offered a C segment wagon, and their performance variant at that. But they also did not offer a B segment wagon. Volvo is the only manufacturer that offers more than one wagon. They offer two. And they're based on the same car, so really it's just one. And American manufacturers have completely stopped.

    SO all this info given: no one has their heads up their butts, they're just a bit too concerned about making money on everything.

    Rest assured that there are enthusiast on the inside that feel the same way, and they're vying for an RS Avant to come to NA. It looks like chances are good. S4 guys are probably out of luck.

    If you're one of the people complaining you better damn well start saving 70 grand and make it worth Audi's time to develop this halo vehicle for our market lest they- like the manual TT RS- regret the decision and never offer it again.
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    I cant understand how people buy crossovers but not wagons, its technically the same thing (room wise) except a wagon probably gets better gas mileage.
    This car is what I look like on the inside

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    People here like having big cars to compensate for small brains.

    (jokes)

    They like the high seating position too.
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    Agreed. IMO it's a perception issue on the US owner's side. SUV = tough, powerful, adventurous, safe, versital etc. wile wagon = boring, staid, lame, slow etc.

    Not saying I agree...

    In my case, I find them to be the best blend of utility and performance. I see them as the best one car option. At least when talking about stock models and the models we DON"T get. I ended up pouring money into my '13 allroad to get the performance I wanted. I can say it's the first car I've ever had that I want to hang onto indefinitely now that I have it dialed in. That said, an RS4 Avant would test my financial good judgement were it to land on US shores.
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    Perception and economics as well. It's hard to justify buying the more expensive wagon to the regular buyer cross shopping suv's. I wish we had more of the mid size wagon choices since that's what I truly need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LVL View Post
    Perception and economics as well. It's hard to justify buying the more expensive wagon to the regular buyer cross shopping suv's. I wish we had more of the mid size wagon choices since that's what I truly need.


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    +1

    A "C" based avant is what I'd like as well. RS6 Avant...yum
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    @4rings2turbos let's hope you and your sources are right on the RS4 coming stateside. If you're wrong, I'm coming out to Illinois to pull off one of those nice ass rear fender and fly back home. Just one fender.

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    I wish they'd bring more wagons but from looks of this - people just don't want them. The Allroad sales are weak.
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    I actually think if they brought over a C based avant over, it would sell better than the allroad because it's bigger.


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    I hope they're right too, I worked hard on my sweet, sweet fenders lol.

    The problem with a C platform wagon is the profit margins are even smaller so they have to sell MORE than the slow selling B platform allroad. With a halo car like the RS 4 numbers are small enough to possibly sneak it by. I wish I were in a position to buy one as well. If these FLY off the shelf it would send a message to AoA and respective product planners that they wouldn't be able to ignore.

    I'll reiterate that people inside Audi want to see these models over here too, they're not purposefully withholding them. If numbers change we will see long roofs again
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    Agreed the profit margin is smaller but if they had one platform to choose, they should've chosen the C platform just like MB chose the E class because the allroad is just too small for the typical American family. I wonder how the MB's wagon sales compare to the other manufacturers?


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    I am on my second E63 Wagon. Miss my S6 Avant. Get to drive my wife's S7 now and then so I get my Audi Fix plus my R8V10 Plus is nice as well. But my everyday vehicle the E63 is not an Audi.
    I would order an RS4 Avant as soon as I could but would rather have an S6 or RS6 Avant. Hope they actually bring it here. I have considered a Grey market RS6 Avant but no warrantee comes with it and
    that is a deal breaker.

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    I probably won't be very useful to Audi's case since I buy from the used market, but it would be good to see more options.

    Audi needs more exciting color choices on the wagons as well. All of the Allroad colors are bland besides the rare red ones, so we gave up caring about color and decided we'd wrap it eventually. Volvo at least gives the option of Rebel Blue on the rDesign and Polestar

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    For an extra charge Audi will do any color that can be made. It's an Audi Exclusive buy-in, but the $1,200 program fee is waived if it's only exterior paint and there are no other Audi Exclusive add-ons. Last time I checked it was $2,500 for a VW AG color or $6,000 for any color you can dream.

    $2,500 doesn't seem terrible if color is super important to you. It's less than the price of a professional wrap.

    ...but of course you have to buy new :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rings2turbos View Post
    If these FLY off the shelf it would send a message to AoA and respective product planners that they wouldn't be able to ignore.
    I disagree, but for a reason. The US "enthusiast" market has been waiting for the RS4 avant for a long time. Forever, to be exact. Were these cars to "fly" off the shelf, it would probably be for that reason alone. In limited quantities, the RS4 avant would sell very quickly. I think Audi would be really hard-pressed though, to sustain numbers in that niche market that would justify long-term sales within our borders. Albeit an amazing vehicle (in many of our opinions), it's still an $80K wagon in a nation where the "SUV" rules the road. Tough audience over here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rings2turbos View Post
    For an extra charge Audi will do any color that can be made. It's an Audi Exclusive buy-in, but the $1,200 program fee is waived if it's only exterior paint and there are no other Audi Exclusive add-ons. Last time I checked it was $2,500 for a VW AG color or $6,000 for any color you can dream.

    $2,500 doesn't seem terrible if color is super important to you. It's less than the price of a professional wrap.

    ...but of course you have to buy new :)
    Thanks for the info. That's actually not horrible for a custom color and I'm sure I could be happy with something in the VW portfolio. I've never looked into the exclusive packages since I assumed it'd be an obscene cost. Depreciation scares me more than the sticker price, so if the RS4 Avant is limited enough to stall depreciation, it could ultimately only be $15-20k more new w/ custom color vs. waiting for something to show up CPO. I'll have to keep an eye on where this is headed now.

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    Orrrrrr you can plastidip it any color you dream of for under 1k and even change colors every year if you like
    This car is what I look like on the inside

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    Im more shocked at the A3 sales, those things are flying off the shelf. I think the car is too small the A4 is the perfect size as Audi smallest car but they had to stick a model under a model I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I disagree, but for a reason. The US "enthusiast" market has been waiting for the RS4 avant for a long time. Forever, to be exact. Were these cars to "fly" off the shelf, it would probably be for that reason alone. In limited quantities, the RS4 avant would sell very quickly. I think Audi would be really hard-pressed though, to sustain numbers in that niche market that would justify long-term sales within our borders. Albeit an amazing vehicle (in many of our opinions), it's still an $80K wagon in a nation where the "SUV" rules the road. Tough audience over here.


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    Sustainability could be a concern and I see what you mean, I would counter this with two thoughts:

    - individuals with budget for $70k tend to cycle ownership at LEAST every five years which wouldn't preclude them from being a repeat customer for the next model.

    -product planners are practically entirely numbers driven in their planning. There is a lot of market research that goes into effect, but would be difficult to gloss over the fact that a certain model just flew off the shelf. They are rewarded and judged based on performance; not only for slow selling models, but also missed opportunities for profit. It's to be seen exactly what changes happen in regards to quattro GMbH and Audi Sport, though I have a feeling it could create more of a reason for an RS Avant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REBinc View Post
    Thanks for the info. That's actually not horrible for a custom color and I'm sure I could be happy with something in the VW portfolio. I've never looked into the exclusive packages since I assumed it'd be an obscene cost. Depreciation scares me more than the sticker price, so if the RS4 Avant is limited enough to stall depreciation, it could ultimately only be $15-20k more new w/ custom color vs. waiting for something to show up CPO. I'll have to keep an eye on where this is headed now.
    Many see a desirable Audi Exclusive color to be be value adding. You likely won't see $2,500 back in resale though and it does mean waiting for the 'right' buyer if it's something more.. unique like Java Green Metallic or Ipanema Brown. Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO FRAME GRAB View Post
    Im more shocked at the A3 sales, those things are flying off the shelf. I think the car is too small the A4 is the perfect size as Audi smallest car but they had to stick a model under a model I guess.
    Honestly I would love an A1 quattro (unattainable limited run :( ) or an S1 for a daily. But that's really a pipe dream. A1 quattro is a future import classic though if they're not astronomical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rings2turbos View Post
    Sustainability could be a concern and I see what you mean, I would counter this with two thoughts:

    - individuals with budget for $70k tend to cycle ownership at LEAST every five years which wouldn't preclude them from being a repeat customer for the next model.

    -product planners are practically entirely numbers driven in their planning. There is a lot of market research that goes into effect, but would be difficult to gloss over the fact that a certain model just flew off the shelf. They are rewarded and judged based on performance; not only for slow selling models, but also missed opportunities for profit. It's to be seen exactly what changes happen in regards to quattro GMbH and Audi Sport, though I have a feeling it could create more of a reason for an RS Avant.
    I see your bet and I raise you CTS-V wagon.
    In all seriousness, it would be really difficult for me not to jump on an RS4 avant, but the better half would give me a ton of shit for having three cars. Then I'd have to decide between a blown B7 RS4 and a B9 avant for a daily driver. For this reason I hope it doesn't come here. #firstworldproblems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I see your bet and I raise you CTS-V wagon.
    Fold.

    Kidding. It's true, it can go either way. The V was a wildcard though, where as Audi's king of them all is a wagon. Even above the R8 in several aspects. Wagons are more Audi's thing.

    Personally I'm definitely a wagon guy, and I like turbos so it would be no contest for me.

    But that's a hell of a problem to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARTEL View Post
    Hey guys,

    I know there are a few threads out there about whether or not the RS4 will ever come to the states, but after being away from Audi for awhile I so badly want to come back and own an Avant again, almost any Avant. It's a little hard to accept the Allroad as the only wagon-variant available, especially after owning an E63 for the last three years, but at this point any news is good news.

    So, what have you heard / read? Post quotes from the rumor mill here, links to stories and photos, or whatever else that may be deemed as encouraging news for the U.S. Avant scene.

    Personally, I'd be so very happy with a simple B9 S4 avant, but I'm really hoping there's some crazy person over there at AOA that sees a market for the RS6 avant.

    If I were a betting man I'd say we won't be seeing any worthwhile wagons from Audi anytime soon... I don't thing V60 Polestars are selling too well so that'd prob scare'em. How do you like the E63?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copen-cisco View Post
    I've decided to part ways with Audi due to lack of importing the long-roofs. Unfortuantely.

    My next pick will be the 2017 Volvo V90.

    Its funny, my wife and I were talking about this exact thing today. When the B7 dies it will probably be a Volvo that replaces it......... so sad.
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    I'm a die hard wagon guy, i was raised in Europe and can't understand the SUV mentality. I'm still driving my 10 year old B7 S4 avant because there's nothing from audi worth buying. How is the S4 price but A4 performance allroad a valid product placement offering? I can't justify the price to performance aspect
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    I'm impatiently waiting to hear the decision on whether or not the RS4 Avant comes to NA. About two weeks ago I was told the decision was being made in three weeks, and have not heard anything. My dealer knows I'm ready to order when they become available. The timing is right. SQ5 goes to the wife and a new wagon for me. However if they don't bring the RS4 Avant, an E63 wagon is in my future.

    As for my deisred combo for the RS4 Avant : sunroof delete, Nardo, black optics trim.

    I loved my A4 Avant and really like my F31 (if the tranny didn't need replacing I'd probably still have it), and look forward in being back in a long roof.

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    I'm worried about the transmission. I'd love a manual, and would still entertain an s-tronic, but I don't need anything with a torque convertor.

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    I just saw this over at RS246... the outlook does not look good.

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    So, looks like the B9 Allroad is slated for the US? http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News...ing-this-fall/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARTEL View Post
    So, looks like the B9 Allroad is slated for the US? http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News...ing-this-fall/
    AoA supposedly brought in a B9 Allroad for Camp Allroad last week....pretty safe bet.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...0#post11774540


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    B9 allroad is launching next month in the US. That was the FIRST real and US spec allroad in America.

    Lot of really cool touches and I'm really happy that Audi is back on it's easter egg game. The detail runs SO much deeper than on the B8.

    There is still some NASTY plastic on the driver's knee bolster, the door cards flex (a lot), the transmission program is dim-witted and makes the engine seem to lag, even in Dynamic. I got used to the fixed screen after driving it a while but I would still prefer it folded in (that's the very first thing I tried to do when I got in). The B&O does not sound good at high volume. With even mild bass the speakers distort BADLY in the upper volume levels. Forget about listening to moderate and bass heavy music at high volumes. It's just terrible. You can see black Styrofoam behind the grille- though I love how much more open the grille is compared to C6/7 and B8 grilles. And they continue to use cheap carpet in the cargo area.

    That's most of my major complaints. It uses a space saver spare, up to you whether or not that's a bother. I like it because they include a compressor which is handy and you never get caught out with a flat spare (TPMS should help you avoid that, but we all know that's finicky).

    The latest 2.0T is a peach! Much improved in torque and usable power band than previously. The extra power helps but I think quattro with ultra tech does help as well. The 4 piston front monoblock calipers are easily my favorite feature. Loved them on the TT, love them on the allroad. They're immediate and crazy good at modulating. Steering is well weighted but obviously there is zero feeling coming back to the wheel so it's essentially lifeless. Visibility and driving position is good, the seat has a lot of movement and is fairly comfortable. The ride comfort is fine- what we've come to expect from the A4 platform. But suspension noise is noticeably improved- still not C segment good though.

    The important part though: the interior. DRIPPING in tech and cool touches. The cluster is beautiful and bright, the top does oddly tip forward though. To fight glare maybe? I loved having just the cluster screen when I drove the MKIII TT but I get some people want the passenger to be able to see info. The cluster has all the info anyone needs though and the center screen is just redundant. Many controls are touch sensitive as well as physically actuated. That is to say, you rest your finger on the button and the pertinent screen displays options that the particular button controls. This is very cool because it allows the buttons to be unlabeled (the climate buttons) and info to be shown that is driver selected and therefore couldn't be labeled (radio presets). The gear selector is all electronic so park is a button, reverse is two clicks forward, drive is one click backward and the shifter stays in a center location at all times. It's very comfortable to rest your hand and useful when using the MMI wheel. Speaking of MMI the new button layout is SO MUCH MORE INTUITIVE. The toggle switches are great and look beautiful and the location of dedicated menu and return buttons is perfect. The allroad steering wheel has aluminum for the bottom spoke and looks much better than the A4 steering wheel, both have heat though. Three zone climate control is awesome and is easily sync'd to the driver. The center armrest is a bit awkward and cumbersome in it's movement. It doesn't come far enough forward and when retrieving items from the cubby beneath the armrest needs to be lifted very high before it will go all the way back down. The pockets in the doors are nearly useless because the opening is so small but the pocket is cavernous. Way too difficult to get things back out.

    The back seat is quite spacious and comfortable. The fold down armrest has a storage lid that is magnetically latched (love that) but the storage is literally about 1/4" deep lol. I suppose it's perfect for a smartphone and wallet though so you can ride without things in your pockets. The 12v socket dummies have been redesigned to look like the mirror, climate and MMI knobs and it's a very nice detail. The center armrest also has some really nicely integrated cup holders. They'll pretty much only hold a can of soda as per usual. No bother for me but I know a lot of Americans love big gulps and oversized water bottles.

    Cargo area has a trick, when you open the power hatch the cargo cover also automatically moves up and backwards. There's tons of hooks and tie downs and a warning triangle stored in the door. The carpet panel covering the spare is a communist piece of utter trash though. If it ever breaks on you you could make one out of a cereal box.

    I quite like it overall. It has a much more aggressive and masculine shape and roofline and the tech and interior are awesome. The B8 didn't do too much for me, but this one feels so much more German in restraint, ergonomics and engineering.

    Didn't intend on writing all that, but there you have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkcityxj View Post
    I wish they'd bring more wagons but from looks of this - people just don't want them. The Allroad sales are weak.
    Here in Texas, I went to several dealerships before buying the allroad and every salesman was pushing the Q5 and I kept saying no, I want an allroad.

    Most of these dealerships have over 50 Q5's and maybe 5 allroads.

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