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    Senior Member Two Rings jorte014's Avatar
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    Southbend Stage 2 Endurance Clutch First Impressions and Beyond

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    Hi All,

    I picked up my car yesterday from USP Motorsports after they installed a new Southbend Stage 2 Endurance clutch and OEM flywheel.

    First a shoutout to USP, their work was excellent as always, dropped my car off at 8 am and it was ready at 4 pm. If you are in the Dade, Broward or Palm Beach counties in South Florida, this is the shop to go to. All the work they've done on my car over the years has been top notch and they have never let me down unlike the local Audi dealer *cough* *cough*

    I'm just gonna go right out and say a clutch upgrade is a MUST HAVE if you're at Stage 2 and up, hell even if you're at Stage 1. I can't even imagine using the stock clutch with a K04. The car can be driven with the stock clutch but any sort of hard driving and you really just become a ticking time bomb until you start getting the first slips. Let's be honest, we upgrade these cars to push them and if you can't do that then where did the fun go? Even when my car was at Stage 1 I felt the stock clutch just couldn't put down the power really well and felt sloppy during moderate launches, forget about launching the car hard. When I went to Stage 2+ and got the updated version from APR last year, it really was pushing the stock clutch to it's absolute limit. Again this was just my impression of the stock clutch paired with my driving style but it felt a lot weaker overall compared to other manual cars I've owned even when it was new.

    To set the stage, my car had been having boost leak and power issues for a while until it finally just shit the bed and didn't want to run one morning. In the end, my stock K03 turbo failed. I found a used one and had USP install it. This brought the power WAY back up and it felt like the first time you go to Stage 1. Of course all good things come to an end...

    After driving it with the new turbo for 1 WEEK, about a month ago I was coming home from work and there's this long curve that merges into a highway that I like to take at 3rd gear and then just accelerate out of the corner. As I start to accelerate like I always do, I get the first slip. The clutch just didn't grab and the revs shot all the way up and bounced off the rev limiter. Oh no! I thought, this can't be, it was a fluke. I slowed down and tried again to accelerate but the car was just not going anywhere. Once I got off the highway I came to the realization that my clutch had finally reached it's end of life. Any gear above 2nd would slip if you even just push the accelerator past a quarter of it's full motion.

    I had to have my car back to performing like it should so I pulled the trigger on the Southbend Stage 2 Endurance Clutch. I did a lot of research and asked around to determine what clutch to buy. I decided on Southbend because I heard a lot of good things about them from a lot of people and several 600 HP+ cars that get serviced at USP have Southbend clutches. I even think their B5 S4 race car uses a Southbend clutch. If it's good enough for those kind of monsters it's good enough for my little A4. I went with their Stage 2 clutch because of the torque rating (440 ft lbs) and since I'm not done upgrading my car, I want to have room to grow. The Southbend clutch uses the OEM Dual Mass flywheel, I wasn't going to replace the flywheel but RockAuto had a new OEM flywheel for an amazing price ($550) so I couldn't resist. It's a big job so get it done right the first time. Of course I looked into getting a single mass flywheel because they are lighter and the car will rev faster, however USP recommended against it. The car will chatter and shake at low RPM's so I didn't want to deal with that. If anyone has a single mass flywheel, please chime in and give us your impressions.

    After picking up the car, I drove it home gently but I could feel immediately the grabbing power of this clutch. The pedal feel and engagement points are stock like but just very firm. The car under light throttle just glides through the revs and speeds up very quickly. When you change gears the tach needle just blips between revs kinda like a DSG. It's an amazing feeling. This has to be the best mod I've done to my car so far. After 50 city miles, I still got a long way to go until it's broken in properly, however I'll be updating this thread with my impressions of the clutch throughout it's life.

    Here are some pics of my old clutch and flywheel:



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    Senior Member Three Rings petraman's Avatar
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    My DMF probably needs replaced so I've been looking into this clutch... Couldn't find many reviews from A4 owners so I'm really glad you posted this! Although I was planning to go single-mass, so +1 on impressions for that. I've heard that their daily flywheel has next to no chatter at all.

    On another note, DAMN that thing was toasted!

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    Veteran Member Four Rings b6Hate4's Avatar
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    I have a feeling my clutch is about to go out in the next couple thousand miles. I've always had great experiances with Southbend!
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    Senior Member Two Rings jorte014's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by petraman View Post
    My DMF probably needs replaced so I've been looking into this clutch... Couldn't find many reviews from A4 owners so I'm really glad you posted this! Although I was planning to go single-mass, so +1 on impressions for that. I've heard that their daily flywheel has next to no chatter at all.

    On another note, DAMN that thing was toasted!
    USP told me if you want to go single mass that the Eurocode flywheel is the best bet. It has the lowest amount of chatter that they've seen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    USP told me if you want to go single mass that the Eurocode flywheel is the best bet. It has the lowest amount of chatter that they've seen.


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    Well my clutch just slipped for the first time on my way home today. How many miles did you have when you had the southbend installed?

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    Senior Member Two Rings jorte014's Avatar
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    75000, I launched it hard a couple times a week. I was not nice to it :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    75000, I launched it hard a couple times a week. I was not nice to it :)


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    Yeah I'm at 102k so makes sense. This explains my slight hard launch "hesitations" that persisted through new plugs, dv+, and tightening of intercooler hoses.

    Does anyone have experience with flywheel upgrades? It would be tough to justify a new oem when there is an upgraded part for the same price.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings b6Hate4's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by asfastas63 View Post
    Yeah I'm at 102k so makes sense. This explains my slight hard launch "hesitations" that persisted through new plugs, dv+, and tightening of intercooler hoses.

    Does anyone have experience with flywheel upgrades? It would be tough to justify a new oem when there is an upgraded part for the same price.
    I have heard that is not the case, that SMFW is about $1000.
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    Senior Member Two Rings jorte014's Avatar
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    RockAuto has the OEM flywheels for 550. Just get an OEM DMF with a badass clutch. A single mass flywheel will give you chatter and shaking at low RPMs.


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    Veteran Member Three Rings cybernet99's Avatar
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    I went with the ECS Tuning Stage 2 Endurance kit. Which includes their LWFW and the SB Stage 2 Endurance clutch.

    Awesome setup, really impressed with the flywheel and clutch build quality. Looks great.

    I'm at Unitronic Stage 2, drive normal for a tuned car I'm sure ... Get on it now and then, but NO hard launches.

    I've put about 10K KM's on it since it was installed. Very happy with the setup. Only once in a while do I get a bit of chatter when releasing the clutch. BUT ... I think it has much more to do with the built in "valve" in the clutch line. So, I ordered the USP Motorsports stainless steel clutch line. I'll be having the shop install it at the same time as the new motor. Yes, I am going through one litre of oil every 500 KM's. So I ordered the Integrated Engineering Super Sport short block, head assembly and intake manifold. Should be a GREAT combination.



    As others are also mentioning, I feel like I am sitting on a "time bomb" with not having changed out the timing chain tensioner yet. (I'm at 145K KM's)

    The motor bits have arrived in town, but not been shipped to the shop yet, probably Monday or Tuesday this coming week.

    Very eager to get the new motor built out and installed.

    I'll start a build thread with the new motor once the process starts.
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    Veteran Member Three Rings englishbay's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernet99 View Post
    So I ordered the Integrated Engineering Super Sport short block, head assembly and intake manifold. Should be a GREAT combination.
    I'll start a build thread with the new motor once the process starts.
    This is amazing, didn't know about about their short block. I may go the same route, please keep us posted on how it goes. Looking forward to your build thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by englishbay View Post
    didn't know about about their short block
    Has anyone else heard about this? It wasn't mentioned on the IE new Release Thread.
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