Car just died ???

[dalmation53]

So i was about to start my car and started then hesitated and died. Now it wont even crank. Plugs and coils are new , pcv , diverter valve. 103k on the clock checked fuses. And nothing. Did my timing belt snapped???

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[Theiceman]

it wont even crank ?

or do you mean it cranks but wont even fire ?

[dalmation53]

it wont even crank ?

or do you mean it cranks but wont even fire ?

Nope won't even crank man.

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[zoomie]

Try starting in Neutral. Maybe your neutral safety switch is starting to go.

[fly300kts]

So i was about to start my car and started then hesitated and died. Now it wont even crank. Plugs and coils are new , pcv , diverter valve. 103k on the clock checked fuses. And nothing. Did my timing belt snapped???

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Post a sound file or video file
A snapped belt is easy to recognize

Phil

[Audibot]

Also, have you changed the timing belt at all? I know some folks wait until the 110k interval, but that's just dangerous!

[dalmation53]

Post a sound file or video file
A snapped belt is easy to recognize

Phil

I already left my car parked where i was. Is it my started?

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[fly300kts]

I already left my car parked where i was. Is it my started?

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We will need more details to come up to any root cause

Phil

[dalmation53]

We will need more details to come up to any root cause

Phil

Ok all fuses are ok, no check engine light, all lights work ok. Car started for 2 seconds then bam just died. Battery is fully charged. Already checked. Tried starting in neutral nothing. It won't even click. If the alternator was bad it would charged the battery but battery is good and it keeps all lights up.

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[dalmation53]

Also, have you changed the timing belt at all? I know some folks wait until the 110k interval, but that's just dangerous!

No I have not changed it. i swear if that is the problem i will call my bank to come pick up the car lol..

[Audibot]

Ah jeez, let's hope not. I thought when people snap their timing belts they show codes for camshaft position or crankshaft position sensors (not that I've been a victim). What about the ECU--could that have taken a dump or something?

[miA4]

@dalmation53 your car is automatic. So there is no push starting the car. I had a problem similar to this and ended up being my ignition switch. Anyone else ever had issues with their switch?

[dalmation53]

@dalmation53 your car is automatic. So there is no push starting the car. I had a problem similar to this and ended up being my ignition switch. Anyone else ever had issues with their switch?

I'm waiting for more people to chim in.

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[dalmation53]

Ah jeez, let's hope not. I thought when people snap their timing belts they show codes for camshaft position or crankshaft position sensors (not that I've been a victim). What about the ECU--could that have taken a dump or something?

Trueee...I have no codes. So i guess i can rule out timing belt huh? And battery and alternator i can rule out too..

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[JMKAUDI]

The fact that it starts up and then shuts off make it seem less like a starter issue. If it was a starter issue it would not shut off after it managed turned over.

This may seem like a dumb question, but have you noticed any issues when the car was running? Bogging out during boost, rough idle, etc...? You could have a burnt out low pressure fuel pump or a clogged fuel filter that are causing fuel issues.. Of course when that happened to me i was getting a pending fuel pressure code.


EDIT: I could have read the OP wrong.. Is the car not cranking anymore? Or is it cranking, starting and immediately dying afterwards?

If its not cranking at all, i would indeed look into the starter and anything ignition related - including maybe checking the timing belt.

[Audibot]

Is Phil or anyone else close enough to drive over and scan your car?

In the meantime, you could try taking apart your clamshell to see if something with the starter is gone. You've checked all the fuses?

[dalmation53]

The fact that it starts up and then shuts off make it seem less like a starter issue. If it was a starter issue it would not shut off after it managed turned over.

This may seem like a dumb question, but have you noticed any issues when the car was running? Bogging out during boost, rough idle, etc...? You could have a burnt out low pressure fuel pump or a clogged fuel filter that are causing fuel issues.. Of course when that happened to me i was getting a pending fuel pressure code.


EDIT: I could have read the OP wrong.. Is the car not cranking anymore? Or is it cranking, starting and immediately dying afterwards?

If its not cranking at all, i would indeed look into the starter and anything ignition related - including maybe checking the timing belt.

Yes No crank no start. but is weird how at first it hesitated and then went off. then i tried again and ever since it won't start at all. maybe i should take the timing belt cover off and inspect.

[miA4]

Is Phil or anyone else close enough to drive over and scan your car?

In the meantime, you could try taking apart your clamshell to see if something with the starter is gone. You've checked all the fuses?

Phil is in Broward and OP is in Orlando.

[Audibot]

Florida geography eludes me. But I did include "anyone else". To the Regionals, Batman!

[Limey92]

If its not spinning the crank it could be the starter, or the solenoid/component in the middle is worn, making it so that it will only crank when in its fortunate position, in connection with the crank system. Try jacking it up and hitting the starter with a rubber mallet, while having someone try and turn it over, it can often cause the central piece to rotate and allow the engine to turn over. The part that doesn't make sense with the cause being the Starter is once it has started. it shouldn't have died, since the starter did its job and no longer plays a part. When my 240sx blew an exhaust cam it fired momentarily, turned over but wouldn't run after the fact, naturally. Then due to the timing chain snap and cam break nothing happened at all. Granted, much older vehicle a lot less computer components involved. As someone mentioned if its a manual, try pushing it, with the ignition turned on, placed in first/second gear with clutch engaged, then when you feel like you are at a decent speed, then drop the clutch and feather the gas, while being careful not to flood it, this will bypass the starter. If not check fuel pumps or sending units for a fuel choke, causing the engine to die.

Just my .02

[Theiceman]

yup sounds like the main lead wire may have fried on the starter, or you have a bad battery or ground connection. Either way its getting towed. if you think the timing belt has snapped on startup this is possible and it would not have given a code as its physically jammed and never got to the point to check , I would pop the small cover off in front and have a look.

[Audibot]

But what if it's the ignition switch? If that fails and can no longer validate the key, maybe it trigger the immobilizer? The part after that, where nothing responds almost sounds like the lockout mode I have with the APR tune, where it won't let you turn on the car, even with the right key.

[dalmation53]

If its not spinning the crank it could be the starter, or the solenoid/component in the middle is worn, making it so that it will only crank when in its fortunate position, in connection with the crank system. Try jacking it up and hitting the starter with a rubber mallet, while having someone try and turn it over, it can often cause the central piece to rotate and allow the engine to turn over. The part that doesn't make sense with the cause being the Starter is once it has started. it shouldn't have died, since the starter did its job and no longer plays a part. When my 240sx blew an exhaust cam it fired momentarily, turned over but wouldn't run after the fact, naturally. Then due to the timing chain snap and cam break nothing happened at all. Granted, much older vehicle a lot less computer components involved. As someone mentioned if its a manual, try pushing it, with the ignition turned on, placed in first/second gear with clutch engaged, then when you feel like you are at a decent speed, then drop the clutch and feather the gas, while being careful not to flood it, this will bypass the starter. If not check fuel pumps or sending units for a fuel choke, causing the engine to die.

Just my .02

Well something tells me timing belt still idk why i'm so paranoid about that. it could be something dumb i wish i had my car so i can diagnose but is 10 miles away from me in a resort lol hail florida.. But again. I will try to hit the starter an see. and mine is Automatic.

[dalmation53]

Is Phil or anyone else close enough to drive over and scan your car?

In the meantime, you could try taking apart your clamshell to see if something with the starter is gone. You've checked all the fuses?

Sure i can definitely tow my car to phil 3.5 hours away hahaha. but how can i scan a car with no codes? i'm looking for something that isn't showing up. I actually like when cars throw a cell because we have an idea. but this shit just died and that's it.

[Audibot]

Sure i can definitely tow my car to phil 3.5 hours away hahaha. but how can i scan a car with no codes? i'm looking for something that isn't showing up. I actually like when cars throw a cell because we have an idea. but this shit just died and that's it.

A lot of codes don't throw a CEL. Idk if you have VCDS or Karista or whatever, but there could be something stored from right before and during the incident.

[grassrootz]

Also how did it die?? If it stumbled and died then you know its definitely fueling or timing. But if you got lots of sounds then dead idk could be timing belt.

This is interesting though. I wonder if its a plug somewhere loose...since there's no codes and its flat yet you have lights.

[dalmation53]

Also how did it die?? If it stumbled and died then you know its definitely fueling or timing. But if you got lots of sounds then dead idk could be timing belt.

This is interesting though. I wonder if its a plug somewhere loose...since there's no codes and its flat yet you have lights.

That's what i'm saying is weird indeed. They should sticky this when i find a solution. sucks it won't be today but all responses are welcome because this doesn't only help me but the community as well when something like this may occur.

[miA4]

Florida geography eludes me. But I did include "anyone else". To the Regionals, Batman!

OP is moving south shortly which will make it easier to assist him. Living in O-town is not a fun place.

[Theiceman]

if the car is not even cranking or " turning over " its going to be pretty basic ,

starter/ solenoid
loose power connection/ ground
crank is physically jammed ( timing belt )

[Audibot]

Ivan, if you have a friend or bystander handy and a multimeter, try measuring the battery while attempting to turn it on. If it's like iceman says, then you should see a drop if the crank is physically jammed (as the starter will attempt to turn it over). If the starter has fried or you a missing some power connector, then you shouldn't see such a hit, I would think.

[Bazer]

No key symbol or the word SAFE in your display? If so, immobilizer issur
What about a bad brake switch? Then car wont start either si ce its automatic. (Third brake light would be lit up (but weak))

[Okedokey]

Check the fuse in the battery area?

[Audibot]

No key symbol or the word SAFE in your display? If so, immobilizer issur
What about a bad brake switch? Then car wont start either si ce its automatic. (Third brake light would be lit up (but weak))

You can start the car without the brake on in an automatic, as long as the steering wheel isn't locked.

[dalmation53]

OP is moving south shortly which will make it easier to assist him. Living in O-town is not a fun place.

Hahahaha true. We already had a serious conversation about this. Can't wait to move.

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[dalmation53]

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Guys Thanks so much. So here are my pics of my timing belt i got my car towed with my friends truck. Night time pics and i removed the cover what you guys think? Any thing looks out of place?

[aluthman]

Timing belt looks fine.

[dalmation53]

Timing belt looks fine.

Yes indeed original in 103k miles. So now we can rule out alternator,battery and timing we are left with starter,solenoid and ignition switch hmmm who will be the winner???

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[dalmation53]

No key symbol or the word SAFE in your display? If so, immobilizer issur
What about a bad brake switch? Then car wont start either si ce its automatic. (Third brake light would be lit up (but weak))

No symbol of any kind that you mention. So i guess we can rule out safe mode too.

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[dalmation53]

Check the fuse in the battery area?

I checked the fuses in the drivers side panel didn't know we had more fuses. Can you tell me exactly where they are so i can check?

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[Audibot]

On the pics, what's wedged between the timing belt and the idler? 2nd picture shows it well. Looks like a stone or some RTV or something.

Fuses in the battery area are up by the ECU. If you remove the rain tray, there should be a black box with them.