Immobilizer Light on after Instrument Cluster replace attempt

[dre.hibnet]

Hello folks,
i am having a warm time with an issue and after much research on existing threads i've decided to ask for help. . .

I have a (B6) 2003 A4 3.0l w/6 speed man trans. while doing some repairs on my wheel bearing hub i decided to pick up an instrument cluster as mine is the red display and was starting to fade from the top.I found one for a good price and it was from the same series but with the color display in center (cheezin at this point). after getting the hub done i decided to try replacing the cluster noting that the cluster would probably not function fully without programming (really wanted to see it in place, don't judge) and then swapped back.
this is where the problem started as the old cluster shows the immobilizer symbol now and the car does the whole start and stall routine. i used VCDS lite to clear the codes after logging them and they keep coming back. here are the results, edited to protect VIN and so forth.

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VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Wednesday, 01 June 2016, 13:41:13:0


Chassis Type: 8E - Audi A4 B6
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,0F,11,15,16,17,18,36,37,45,46,55,56 ,57,65,67,69,75,76,77

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.LBL
Controller: 8E0 909 559 E
Component: 3.0L V6/5V G 0004
Coding: 0016711
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 3701A8D*****
2 Faults Found:
18043 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from A/C Controller
P1635 - 008 - Implausible Signal
18107 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
P1699 - 008 - Implausible Signal
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.LBL
Controller: 8E0 614 517 H
Component: ABS/ESP allrad 2328
Coding: 04495
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2D2D8AB*****
1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
35-00 - -

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.LBL
Controller: 8E0 820 043 L
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1116
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 2A2781A*****
4 Faults Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
07-00 - Signal too Low
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-00 - No Communications
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
49-00 - No Communications
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
27-00 - Implausible Signal

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.LBL
Controller: 8E0 907 279 E
Component: int. Lastmodul USA 0305
Coding: 00013
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 341B9FD*****
6 Faults Found:
01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01497 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Right (M7)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-00 - No Communications
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
49-00 - No Communications
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.LBL
Controller: 8E0 959 655 C
Component: Airbag 8.4EP 2000
Coding: 0010607
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 3701A8D*****
2 Faults Found:
01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199) {known issue - bought car with issue}
001 - Upper Limit Exceeded
00532 - Supply Voltage B+ {known issue - bought car with issue}
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.LBL
Controller: 8E0 953 549 N
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0308
Coding: 02041
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 3E0FBDF*****
4 Faults Found:
00895 - Cruise Control Switch (E45)
37-00 - Faulty
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-00 - No Communications
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.LBL
Controller: 8E0 920 950 L
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D36
Coding: 03200
Shop #: WSC 09223
VCID: 321799CBED37
WAULT68E33A****** AUZ6Z0C0*****
14 Faults Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
00438 - Fuel Supply Sensor 2 (G169)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
01128 - Immobilizer Pickup Coil (D2)
35-00 - -
00457 - Control Module for Network (J519)
49-00 - No Communications
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
49-00 - No Communications
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
49-00 - No Communications
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
49-00 - No Communications
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398)
49-00 - No Communications
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
49-00 - No Communications
00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527)
49-00 - No Communications
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255)
49-00 - No Communications
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 8E0-959-760.LBL
Controller: 8E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory R2 F 0305
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: F195D6*****
3 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-00 - No Communications
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.LBL
Controller: 8E0 959 433 BB
Component: Komfortgerát T7B 1311
Coding: 11788
Shop #: WSC 08286
VCID: 729759C*****
6 Faults Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-00 - No Communications
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
29-00 - Short to Ground
00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
35-00 - -
00955 - Key 1
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01561 - Left Rear Door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01562 - Right Rear Door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent

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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4Z7-907-357.LBL
Controller: 4Z7 907 357
Component: dynamische LWR D09
Coding: 00060
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 047B0F1*****
2 Faults Found:
00776 - Level Control System Sensor; Left Front (G78) {known issue - drunk friend fell on lamp}
31-00 - Open or Short to Ground
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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With the exception of the noted ones, ALL of these appeared after my swap and won't go away. Any assistance would be appreciated. kind of urgent issue so if you have seen this post on any other site please don't troll report me.

[elewsader]

You'll need to get your immo pin; one of the guys on here "imnuts" has a really good writeup in his signature on how to obtain it. Then determine if your keys are still matched up, my guess is they're no longer matched.

Do you have access to a full copy of VCDS, if so I'd start there.

[Select]
[17 - Instruments]
[Meas. Blocks - 08]
Select Block 022.
[Go!]
The value in field 3 must be 1. If value is not 1, the key is not capable of being adapted to Immobilizer.
You can check each key in this manner.

Select Block 024.
[Go!]
Make sure the shown lock times in field 1, 2 and 3 are 0 (each field represents a time in minutes).
If the lock times are NOT 0:
Do NOT switch off the ignition!
Allow the car to sit for AT LEAST the number of minutes that were indicated by the fields 1-3.
[Done, Go Back]

[Login - 11]
4-digit PIN
Enter zero followed by the 4-digit PIN. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
[Do it!]

[Adaptation - 10]
Enter 21 in "Channel Number".
[Read]
The "Stored Value" is the number of keys currently matched.
Enter a "new value" corresponding to the total number of keys to be matched, including any existing keys.
Any old keys are automatically being cleared. All keys, including existing keys, must be matched at the same time.
[Save]
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

[dre.hibnet]

Thanks for the reply, i'll try to reach out to him. I have the old 409 of vag com and a VCDS lite. I will most definitely try what you have suggested as well. cheers.

[chad99]

I would try reseating the connectors to the back of cluster and try again. Also run a search for color dis for more info on what you need to do to get it to work

[Luxus Panzer]

Here is how I got my "PIN"

https://sites.google.com/site/imnuts/

https://sites.google.com/site/imnuts...ch-vcp-drivers

[rollerton]

You're going to want to swap your old cluster back in. Download some software (Or I can send it to you). You'll need an authentic Ross Tech hex can cable to run VagEEprom to extract the SKC.
People will say you can use Vag K+Can Commander, which is partly right. You can extract the SKC from your cluster (ecu) that way, but you need the SKC from the new one also. VagCommander won't read the SKC fro an Rb4 cluster. I know people have said they've done it...but I don't know how, it simply doesn't.
And for that you need Vageeprom, as it is able to de-encrypt the Rb4 eeprom, then re-encrypt it to program it.

You can run Vageeprom thru the Hex Can cable in 'dumb' mode and read the SKC from BOTH clusters and do the programming with Vag Com. That's really the way to do it. Also, there is a DEFINITE vin# split where the cluster was changed in the B6. You'll want to be sure that the cluster you got is compatible.

[Luxus Panzer]

You're going to want to swap your old cluster back in. Download some software (Or I can send it to you). You'll need an authentic Ross Tech hex can cable to run VagEEprom to extract the SKC.
People will say you can use Vag K+Can Commander, which is partly right. You can extract the SKC from your cluster (ecu) that way, but you need the SKC from the new one also. VagCommander won't read the SKC fro an Rb4 cluster. I know people have said they've done it...but I don't know how, it simply doesn't.
And for that you need Vageeprom, as it is able to de-encrypt the Rb4 eeprom, then re-encrypt it to program it.

You can run Vageeprom thru the Hex Can cable in 'dumb' mode and read the SKC from BOTH clusters and do the programming with Vag Com. That's really the way to do it. Also, there is a DEFINITE vin# split where the cluster was changed in the B6. You'll want to be sure that the cluster you got is compatible.

This needs a good DIY on use of VagEEprom to extract the SKC ;)

[hightime80]

Vag eprom programmer is the shit and u dont need a real ross tech cable. The cheap blue ebay cable works just fine. It extraxted my skc perfectly. Thanks to K0mpressed for the info. I was able to extract my skc which enabled me to switch to color cluster and make keys. I believe Cschuster on here did a good write up on vag eprom programmer. Try searching for it under cluster swap.

[Luxus Panzer]

Vag eprom programmer is the shit and u dont need a real ross tech cable. The cheap blue ebay cable works just fine. It extraxted my skc perfectly. Thanks to K0mpressed for the info. I was able to extract my skc which enabled me to switch to color cluster and make keys. I believe Cschuster on here did a good write up on vag eprom programmer. Try searching for it under cluster swap.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...?highlight=skc

Cschuster uses VAGDASHCAN not VagEEprom

[hightime80]

Does he now?

eBay Vag Dash Can software seems to be a crapshoot as to whether you get a good copy or not. There is a healthy chance of bricking the cluster, which this program cannot repair. I used a different program, Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19, to get the SKC's and change mileage. Full VCDS can then adapt. I will outline this procedure very quickly - more detail/screenshots if there is interest. All of the RB4 cluster only stuff still applies, although the year doesn't matter at all. I took an '04 cluster and put it in my '02.

There are 2 kinds of cluster .bins that this program can work with, depending on the mode the cluster is in. In mode 6 (adapted), only encrypted .bins can be read/written. In mode 4 (new/virgin), only decrypted .bin files can be read/write. Mode 4 is also where you get SKC's and change mileage. Reading in the wrong mode will only result in a program error, whereas writing in the wrong mode can mess up the cluster. Don't worry, its fixable with a backup. Before starting, you may need your radio code. If you don't have it and continue, you may have to drive in silence until the radio can be unlocked out of safe mode. Here we go!

In VCDS, go into engine and write down IMMO ID. Go into instruments and do the same thing. Numbers will match. Ross tech explains this well.

Original Cluster
1: Open Vag EEPROM Programmer. For future steps, always use the RB4 dropdown list instead of the buttons. I don't know if they change depending on what mode the cluster is in.
1: Read encrypted cluster .bin file. Save file for backup. Label all .bins so you know what they are.
***If you somehow manage to brick the original cluster, put it in mode 6 (adapted) and write the backup encrypted file to it. It should go back to functioning normally. If it does not write the first time, try a few more times. Start over again.***
2: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
3: Read decrypted .bin. At the bottom it will display a 4 digit number (ex. 1111). Put a 0 in front of it, and this is your SKC (ex. 01111). This number will be adapted to the new cluster so it matches the ECU. Write it down. You are now done with the original cluster.

New Cluster
1: Disconnect battery, install.
2: Read encrypted .bin. Save as backup.
3: Put in mode 4 (virgin/new).
4: Read decrypted .bin. Write down SKC, using same method as above. For this example, we will use 02222.
5: Convert current mileage to km, enter it into the box in the lower right. Using the RB4 drop down menu, click Set Kilometers. Mileage is now set. If you are using km, obviously no conversion is needed.
6: Put back into mode 6. (Note: I first tried using virgin mode to adapt, but wasn't clear on the rest of the process and messed up. You can adapt using VCDS if you have both SKC's anyways)
7: Exit Vag EEPROM Programmer. Open VCDS. Ross Tech has an instruction and video on how to do this as well. This is just summarized from them.
8: Login to instruments using new cluster SKC (02222). Cluster is not adapted yet and still uses its own SKC.
9: Go to adapt. Read channel 50. Value should be 32000. In the test box, enter original SKC (01111). Click test, then save. Close controller, remove key from ignition for 1 min.
10: Turn key back on. Check IMMO ID of cluster and ECU. Both should match now. You will also see the new cluster's VIN to the right of the IMMO ID. If not, figure out where you went wrong.
***If you mess up bad enough to brick the cluster, simply put it back in mode 6 and write your new cluster encrypted backup .bin to it. Start over at step 1.***
11: Login to instruments using original SKC (01111). This will work now because the new cluster's SKC has been changed to the original SKC.
12: Follow Ross Tech's instructions to reprogram keys. Check instrument soft coding to make sure it is correct for your car.
13. Start car. My traction control and seatbelt lights were on, but turned off after a min. You may also have to enter the radio code to get it out of safe mode. Boom, enjoy!

Edit for you picture whores

[rollerton]

Vag eprom programmer is the shit and u dont need a real ross tech cable. The cheap blue ebay cable works just fine.

Sure. It'll extract the SKC from your ECU, but it wont do the adaptations...so what's the point. As far as I know the only reliable and readily available way to do the Immo adaptation is a real Ross Tech cable.
And, up on my soapbox, we really owe Ross Tech an immeasurable gratitude for creating what they have. Have no idea where we be without the VajComm.

[hightime80]

Sure. It'll extract the SKC from your ECU, but it wont do the adaptations...so what's the point. As far as I know the only reliable and readily available way to do the Immo adaptation is a real Ross Tech cable.
And, up on my soapbox, we really owe Ross Tech an immeasurable gratitude for creating what they have. Have no idea where we be without the VajComm.

The point is, VCDS wont get you the SKC so I used both of them to make my cluster swap work instead of using an inferior program like vag dash can to get it done.I have real VCDS and it adapted my cluster wonderfully. I rather accomplish the swap using two proven programs instead of one lousy one and brick my shit. I simply said you dont need a real ross tech cable to use vag eeprom programmer. Certainly not knocking them.

[rollerton]

Vag eprom programmer is the shit and u dont need a real ross tech cable. The cheap blue ebay cable works just fine. .

So we basically agree, that you DO need the real Ross Tech cable, contrary to what you said above? Yes, the blue cable works fine, but you typically can't run VCDS through it to do the adaptations, so then you need the Ross Tech cable.
You can use the HexCan for all of it, including SKC retrieval.

[dre.hibnet]

You're going to want to swap your old cluster back in. Download some software (Or I can send it to you). You'll need an authentic Ross Tech hex can cable to run VagEEprom to extract the SKC.
People will say you can use Vag K+Can Commander, which is partly right. You can extract the SKC from your cluster (ecu) that way, but you need the SKC from the new one also. VagCommander won't read the SKC fro an Rb4 cluster. I know people have said they've done it...but I don't know how, it simply doesn't.
And for that you need Vageeprom, as it is able to de-encrypt the Rb4 eeprom, then re-encrypt it to program it.

You can run Vageeprom thru the Hex Can cable in 'dumb' mode and read the SKC from BOTH clusters and do the programming with Vag Com. That's really the way to do it. Also, there is a DEFINITE vin# split where the cluster was changed in the B6. You'll want to be sure that the cluster you got is compatible.

Thanks for the insight, I may need that software. i'm going to try to get VagEEprom and see if I can grab the skc from the color cluster and also my current red disp. I would like to find a base guide and i'm pretty sure there is one around here somewhere, just gotta find it. If you have a link to said thread that would be awesome.

[dre.hibnet]

Does he now?

YOOOOOOOO!!!! You my friend, ARE AWESOME!

[dre.hibnet]

A Big thanks to rollerton and Hightime80 for the assist. I was able to get the Immobilizer gone with your help rollerton and *fingers crossed* i'm about to have this color display in thanks to hightime80.

[hightime80]

So we basically agree, that you DO need the real Ross Tech cable, contrary to what you said above? Yes, the blue cable works fine, but you typically can't run VCDS through it to do the adaptations, so then you need the Ross Tech cable.
You can use the HexCan for all of it, including SKC retrieval.

Yes Bobby, we do agree. All I meant to say is u dont need the real cable to to use vag eeprom ptogrammer. Everyone knows you need the real cable to do adaptation. Jeez, get off Uwe's nuts already. He's already got my money lol.

[Luxus Panzer]

Where does one get Vag EEPROM Programmer 1.19?

[hightime80]

I have a zip file pm me ur email if u want one.

[rollerton]

. Jeez, get off Uwe's nuts already. He's already got my money lol.

I'd marry Uwe if he wasn't taken! Does that sound the way it sounds?

[cschuster]

I put up a link at some point to my Google drive with the software, backup files, and a short instruction. Don't know which thread I posted it in though lol.

Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk

[Luxus Panzer]

I have a zip file pm me ur email if u want one.

Pm sent