APR II+ or make the switch to JHM stage 2 93

[z_wrecker]

So recently I've been back and forth about selling my car. I am currently APR stage II and I just purchased an upgraded HPFP from a member here. I wanted to get some opinions if I should just stick with APR or make the switch to JHM 93 tune? Any fellow Audiziners that have made the switch? I also do have a full turboback with RAI high flow cat downpipe. Thanks

[james12lucy]

Everyone in their right mind will tell you to go with JHM. JHM Stage 1 pulls APR Stage 2, all day long. Nothing wrong with APR, but JHM is just plain, better in every way.


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[vce1232000]

IMO the best bang for the buck would be to get JHM STG2 . The low cost option would be APR STG 2+ since its a free upgrade with maybe labor to flash. The APR dealer I use dont charge labor to flash

[z_wrecker]

Everyone in their right mind will tell you to go with JHM. JHM Stage 1 pulls APR Stage 2, all day long. Nothing wrong with APR, but JHM is just plain, better in every way.


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This is what I've been researching as well. Is it worth it buying a whole other tune?

IMO the best bang for the buck would be to get JHM STG2 . The low cost option would be APR STG 2+ since its a free upgrade with maybe labor to flash. The APR dealer I use dont charge labor to flash

It would add another $600 +$75 or $90 (ngp racing fee) vs. just $75 or $90 for a flash

[Jake@JHM]

If you are looking for more power and launch assist, then yes. If you plan on going JHM Stage 3 you get a discount for being JHM tuned as well.

[vce1232000]

Guess which tune would suite your ing situation. If your always in it to it. Then you have to pay to play. I already paid for my JHM KO4 tune. I just have to make time to send in my log information. But I usually can like a AZZhole. So I had to pay to play

[james12lucy]

This is what I've been researching as well. Is it worth it buying a whole other tune?



It would add another $600 +$75 or $90 (ngp racing fee) vs. just $75 or $90 for a flash

Hmmm, is pulling through the majority of the rev range to redline a benefit? Are you going to have the car for more than a year? It's an investment in performance. Would you replace your rear sway bar because you upgraded the rest of the suspension components? Likely yes. You have the supporting mods, might be worthwhile biting the bullet and getting the JHM tune.


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[onedumslack]

What's the reason for considering selling the car?

[z_wrecker]

James, I am back and forth...Ultimately I would like to try JHM tune. Biggest issue with APR stage II is that it doesn't feel like it should. I am no stranger to turbo cars (z32TT, wrx, STi), but this one always leaves me wanting more. @onedumdlack, biggest reason would be to get an M3 or S4/S5. I do like my B7, but I am just not sure how much money I want to invest in it to be happy with the performance.

[james12lucy]

James, I am back and forth...Ultimately I would like to try JHM tune. Biggest issue with APR stage II is that it doesn't feel like it should. I am no stranger to turbo cars (z32TT, wrx, STi), but this one always leaves me wanting more. @onedumdlack, biggest reason would be to get an M3 or S4/S5. I do like my B7, but I am just not sure how much money I want to invest in it to be happy with the performance.

I wish I lived within a reasonable distance so I could take you for a few poles in mind. I've been JHM Stage 2, 93 Octane for the last five months. My car still running stock turbo and has since I bought it, but I've been running the APR HPFP, S3 injectors, JHM test pipe, Stasis catback, front mount IC, and plugs/coils on both tunes. It doesn't exactly feel like the same car; it's definitely more fun when you want to go, and stock feeling when in city traffic. Is it worth another $589 ($900CAD) when you have another tune? It was and still is for me.

I used to build and drive turbo/AWD DSMs before I moved to TDIs, and think I still recall how fun they were. This is as fun to drive as anything I remember.

Ultimately, it's a cost/benefit analysis. At the very worst, upgrade to APR 2+ for free. You can always go JHM afterwards if you're still feeling the car is lacking. Plus, you shouldn't really worry about it if you're planning on selling, just mark up the price.

As an aside, search kijiji.com for E46 M3s or any version S4/S5, with the conversion you'd be crazy no to buy a Canadian car. I'm seeing B7 RS4s listed for the low $20k range (CAD). For reference, $22k CAD is roughly $17k USD...


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[z_wrecker]

Should I replace injectors prior to flash or did you do it with future plans in mind?Also did you notice any improvement with them before or after?

Everyone in their right mind will tell you to go with JHM. JHM Stage 1 pulls APR Stage 2, all day long. Nothing wrong with APR, but JHM is just plain, better in every way.


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IMO the best bang for the buck would be to get JHM STG2 . The low cost option would be APR STG 2+ since its a free upgrade with maybe labor to flash. The APR dealer I use dont charge labor to flash

I wish I lived within a reasonable distance so I could take you for a few poles in mind. I've been JHM Stage 2, 93 Octane for the last five months. My car still running stock turbo and has since I bought it, but I've been running the APR HPFP, S3 injectors, JHM test pipe, Stasis catback, front mount IC, and plugs/coils on both tunes. It doesn't exactly feel like the same car; it's definitely more fun when you want to go, and stock feeling when in city traffic. Is it worth another $589 ($900CAD) when you have another tune? It was and still is for me.

I used to build and drive turbo/AWD DSMs before I moved to TDIs, and think I still recall how fun they were. This is as fun to drive as anything I remember.

Ultimately, it's a cost/benefit analysis. At the very worst, upgrade to APR 2+ for free. You can always go JHM afterwards if you're still feeling the car is lacking. Plus, you shouldn't really worry about it if you're planning on selling, just mark up the price.

As an aside, search kijiji.com for E46 M3s or any version S4/S5, with the conversion you'd be crazy no to buy a Canadian car. I'm seeing B7 RS4s listed for the low $20k range (CAD). For reference, $22k CAD is roughly $17k USD...


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[Jake@JHM]

I wouldn't go with S3 injectors until you go with a larger turbo.

[vce1232000]

Should I replace injectors prior to flash or did you do it with future plans in mind?Also did you notice any improvement with them before or after?

My KO4 turbo application calls for S3 injectors.

[james12lucy]

I wouldn't go with S3 injectors until you go with a larger turbo.

Agreed. I was just future proofing the car when I had the intake manifold off. Also, I essentially got the injectors for free when I packaged them with the HPFP.


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[canadianA4B7]

James12lucy tune car pulls amazing. I had gone K04 on first build and the unitronic stage 2 tune was a joke against what James car feel like. Had jhm been tuning back when I did first build I would have gone that route. It's unfortunite for me they didn't start tuning until after I had invested god awful amounts of money into other tuners. If I cud turn back time I would have just gone w jhm. Or even when I went stage 3 they requested I bring my car to them for them to tune. Shoulda gone that route

Wish jhm would provide tuning assistance for the platform.

[james12lucy]

James12lucy tune car pulls amazing. I had gone K04 on first build and the unitronic stage 2 tune was a joke against what James car feel like. Had jhm been tuning back when I did first build I would have gone that route. It's unfortunite for me they didn't start tuning until after I had invested god awful amounts of money into other tuners. If I cud turn back time I would have just gone w jhm. Or even when I went stage 3 they requested I bring my car to them for them to tune. Shoulda gone that route

Wish jhm would provide tuning assistance for the platform.

Thanks Ryan. That means a lot, considering the monster you've built and are building.

Jake, help a brotha out! Let's make Ryan's car the first into the low 11s. Wait, is that a thing already?




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[Jake@JHM]

Thanks Ryan. That means a lot, considering the monster you've built and are building.

Jake, help a brotha out! Let's make Ryan's car the first into the low 11s. Wait, is that a thing already?




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Would need his car here!

Although Dru is working on going on getting into the 11s with our turbo kit as we speak! (Motor build in prog)

[james12lucy]

Would need his car here!

Although Dru is working on going on getting into the 11s with our turbo kit as we speak! (Motor build in prog)

Which is awesome! I know Ryan will have a nicely built engine. I was thinking of doing that this summer and JHM Stage 3 next on the PSIWAGON.


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[Jake@JHM]

Which is awesome! I know Ryan will have a nicely built engine. I was thinking of doing that this summer and JHM Stage 3 next on the PSIWAGON.


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That would be awesome!

[adam044]

Everyone in their right mind will tell you to go with JHM. JHM Stage 1 pulls APR Stage 2, all day long. Nothing wrong with APR, but JHM is just plain, better in every way.


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Basically all you need to know.

[canadianA4B7]

Would need his car here!

Although Dru is working on going on getting into the 11s with our turbo kit as we speak! (Motor build in prog)

Car was offered to be driven to you guys prior to you beginning to sell your tune. V8A6 had vouched to you guys that my car with the 2863 setup would be a stout car to tune being all I've invested. But I was given an astounding $$$$ and not given any length of time as to how long u would have the car. Perhaps I should break in the engine and drop it off. Leave you guys to tune a car into 11 seconds b4 you want to test dru's. As crazy as this might sound im interested. Being Canadian I'll need to build an igloo in your neck of the woods for a few days to enjoy the area. But cud leave it w u for a bit. As long as u don't paint it or put "JAKE@JHM" vinyls all over it......

[Jake@JHM]

Car was offered to be driven to you guys prior to you beginning to sell your tune. V8A6 had vouched to you guys that my car with the 2863 setup would be a stout car to tune being all I've invested. But I was given an astounding $$$$ and not given any length of time as to how long u would have the car. Perhaps I should break in the engine and drop it off. Leave you guys to tune a car into 11 seconds b4 you want to test dru's. As crazy as this might sound im interested. Being Canadian I'll need to build an igloo in your neck of the woods for a few days to enjoy the area. But cud leave it w u for a bit. As long as u don't paint it or put "JAKE@JHM" vinyls all over it......

LOL!

yeah it is a case by case. If it was back before we barely had any data on the B7 A4 tuning it would cost more. Now that we have K03 91-100oct data, k04 data, and BT etc..

The only problem with taking someones already done build and trying to make it go really fast is that some parts may not be fit for the job, so there could be the risk of having to change a few or even a lot of the parts on the build etc.. especially when stepping into unknown territory (nobody has gone this fast with a 2.0T B7)

[rongeur]

Just as a different angle. I am a long time APR customer up to stage 2+. Ran fine, pulled well but I was recently put off by APR due to the lack of update to their tune. APR never updated their tune to force readiness and instead toom a coding shortcut to prevent throwing a CEL with a test pipe by deleting the rear 02 sensor. Due to this, when I had to smog my car, I failed because my car will never ever ever be able to reach readiness for this lazy dated approach to avoiding a cel that can easily be addressed with a 02 sensor spacer.

Pros of JHM is it is a more contemporary tune that maintains readiness. Subjective reports are that is pulls harder as well and has proven great times on the strip. They have added function of launch assist which is pretty cool and not included with APR. Sure APR can add this to their tune but why would they? They are working on more current platforms. Everything APR offers for the B7 is like 5+ years old and the only new products have been cross platform products. Supporting JHM is essentially supporting further development for this platform.

[Jake@JHM]

Supporting JHM is essentially supporting further development for this platform.

QFT


I might add that to my sig

[rongeur]

I should note, in matter of transparency, APR does have a 2+ file that does not delete the rear 02 sensor but the file name suggests it was designed for TIP transmissions as the manual version is what I had that deleted the sensor. APR is a good company and I dont like to sound like I am dogging them at all. Just a reality that no further development from APR for the B7 A4 should be expected and money soent elsewhere will continue further development.

[rongeur]

Thx Jake!