My misfire, no compression Audi experience

[B8Nate]

For those of you who haven't looked at my last post. I'll catch you up real fast. Last week driving at 65-70mph (the speed limit) on my way back home to base. Car decides to go into limp mode while I'm in the fast lane (dangerous) barely got over in time. Got pulled over. Pulled codes. Misfire cyl 2 and random misfire. Cool. I'm at 63k miles LOW MILES. No? Yes low miles. Less than 10k a year. Must be coil packs or plugs right? Sure!! ECS what's up, I need plugs and coil packs (red top) ya know the cool looking "better kind" .. Sure on their way! Props to ECS by the way! 2 day free shipping!?
Awesome. Let's throw these bad boys in and take care of this misfire. Audi: oh no no no, I'm gonna give you hell... New plugs and coils in. Still misfiring. Well hell i got a mechanic shop and professional tools on base. Let's swing over there. Loaded a slammed car on a trailer is fun :) .. Not. Got it to shop. Hmm lets rule out the worse first. Gonna run a compression test, injectors and make sure I got spark in all 4 cyl. Cool. Get to compression test. Test #1 cyl 1, good. Cyl 2, 0% compression? Say what? Nah not at 63k miles. I've had a crappy Hyundai with double the mileage and never had a major engine/internal issues or something go down let's try 3 and 4 maybe I broke the tool. Cyl 3, good. Cyl 4, good. Ok back to cyl 2 maybe I didn't screw it in good test again, 0%.... What in the actual f**k Audi? And bent/burnt valve , piston rings all of the above? At 63k miles on a car I honestly have babied the past 3-4 months? No...

So now that you're caught up. Comes the fun part. Calling the stealership + Audi of America.

Well I called Audi of America and Audi in Boise Idaho. My wife and I are stationed about 45 mins from Boise and I called Audi of America to express my extreme lack of confidence in the Audi brand and how I would not be paying for any repairs on something I didn't cause. At 63k miles a car should not be having 0% compression in ANY cylinder. I expressed to them Audis rep has been tarnished and ruined for me. I've looked at past receipts of fixes (not mods) but fixes and I've spent more money in the past 8-10 months I've owned the car on repairs than I have on the actual car loan itself. It's awful. I had a Hyundai with double the miles that cost me $15000 less than what I paid for this piece of shit and never had major engine failures. Worse thing I had was a faulty MAF sensor connector ($12) and a stuck oil filter (2 hours of my life wasted) my 370z and mustang literally. Not once did I have an issue with either of them. I modded the Z more than this Audi and she loved mods. She loved me. This Audi resents me or something. Idk. Hates me? I hate her back.

Anyways. ONE THING I can say about Audi is their customer service is 9 of 10. Very nice and courteous, talk to David at Audi of America and he had very much respect that I was military and very very understanding. I called Audi of America first. Expressed my frustration and lack of wanting an Audi any longer and keeping everyone I know in the car world away from Audi, and also my unwillingness of paying for repairs on such a low mileage motor. They obviously told me I needed to reach out to the closest Audi dealer and have a diagnostic test ran before they could proceed in helping me. They offered me the military discount on the $99 diagnostic fee. And a free Audi for the weekend. So next Friday at 8am, May 27th. I'll be in Audi of Boise. To drop the piece of shit off, to get into a new piece of shit for the weekend, while they diagnose my piece of shit. So yay I get to pay roughly $80 to tell me what I already know. Then the service advisor is going to call me Monday and be like "hey no compression in cylinder 2, but on the bright side you get a 5% discount on the $4,000 in labor and parts it'll cost bc you serve our country." And then you'll be back driving your piece of shit that'll break a timing belt and ruin your motor again since I'm in the time zone for the tensioner or timing belt to go out. Or the manifold to get a crack. Or injectors to go out and not to mention my oil consumption has never been resolved.

So yeah, I still am feeling screwed with no lube. I pay $80 and some change to get a obd port reading off vag com at the dealer. They tell me what I already know. Let me know that it'll only cost my soul to fix. And then I refuse to pay and call Audi of America back and tell them I refuse to pay for it. Then hopefully they miraculously tell me everything's going to be okay, give me a hug. And that they'll pay for it and give me a free water and little bag of cookies with the Audi symbol on the bag maybe even vacuum it out for with those cool designs in the carpet? Wash it for me? And since his is a fairy tell let's add in unicorns and free Audi t shirts. But that's a fairy tell kiddos. When they actually do any of that or even just agree to fix I don't need the cookies. Just fix it. Own up to selling a garbage motor in a luxury car and fix it. I admit when I'm wrong and get my ass chewed at work. Audi time to step up to the plate and do the same. :) we shall see though, I'll give them the benefit of the double (for now) if they call and do the RIGHT thing, great. I'll seal my lips. I'll shut up. If they take responsibility and fix it I'll be okay with Audi. If they are unfair, take no blame and and do not fix it for me with such low miles, I will proceed to going off the hook.

Like When they tell me it's going to cost my soul and that I have to pay with my life to get it fixed and Audi of America and the dealer aren't going to cover it. That's when I'll flip shit. I'll get a lawyer for this lemon garbage car. I'll do whatever in my power to make sure no one I know ever owns an Audi and I'll never own one again...

[McFuzz]

So..... why didn't you buy a CPO?

[?uestion]

So..... why didn't you buy a CPO?

Why even bother posting. You are fucking useless.


OP. That fucking sucks.

If audi refuses to fix for free you'd be better off buying a used engine and paying labor. Just be careful, the early year engines have an oil burning feature.

Ebay special.

[hyperunion]

Totally stock software on this?

[B8Nate]

Why even bother posting. You are fucking useless.


OP. That fucking sucks.

If audi refuses to fix for free you'd be better off buying a used engine and paying labor. Just be careful, the early year engines have an oil burning feature.

Ebay special.

Haha thanks man CPO don't matter honestly. I paid extra for an "extended warranty" but they can't guarantee my extension will cover this "until the techs get their hands on it" ... They said if it was injectors and Pistons or piston rings. Sure. But as far as compression they "aren't sure" I'll have to have it diagnosed by Audi and then go from there with the service advisor and Audi of America. So we shall see.


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[B8Nate]

Totally stock software on this?

On this car, yes. Engine wise just, intake, forge diverter valve, red top coil packs, plugs, and an o2 Extender for my cat back/ down pipe and exhaust. Totally 100% stock software. And I don't think previous owner had any aftermarket software either. So ecu should be clean. Just that and lowered.


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[B8Nate]

Why even bother posting. You are fucking useless.


OP. That fucking sucks.

If audi refuses to fix for free you'd be better off buying a used engine and paying labor. Just be careful, the early year engines have an oil burning feature.

Ebay special.

Also man do you not think it'd be cheaper since it's just one cylinder (#2) ... Just replace valves, machine shop should be able to take care of the head. What else would need to be replaced besides all that? I've never ruined a head or cylinder?


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[van462]

Maybe the missing sparkplug tip has welded to an exhaust valve and keeping it from seating.

[Dub_prime]

That really sucks man, but those plug electrodes just don't go peacefully in the night.... The tear the shit out of everything they come into contact with and take no prisoners.

[b6Hate4]

So..... why didn't you buy a CPO?

Dumbest AZ post of 2016.

[Allowencer]

I got $ on a broken valve spring. This will cause your compression issue. Heck, it being on cylinder #2, if you have an inspection camera in your service garage, pop off the oil cap and put the camera in there. You for sure can get to/see the intake's side valve springs to check. Another option you can try for validation, fill the cylinder with air, don't go over 90psi though (you'll be pushing on the rings too much). Prior to doing that, ensure that piston #2 is about to come 'up' for it's compression stroke then put air in the cylinder. You'll be able to tell where the leak is going; intake or exhaust side.

Might be able to save ya a few bucks if you have the time to check into this yourself.

[B8Nate]

Maybe the missing sparkplug tip has welded to an exhaust valve and keeping it from seating.

That could be it, we don't know and won't of course until we get the head off and get into things. Worse case I'm gonna try and get all new exhaust and intake valves, maybe valve springs if one or some of those broke, have machine shop clean and reinstall them and then new head gasket and hopefully that'll take care of everything if Audi doesn't own up to why this unexpected thing happen on a low mileage motor.

That really sucks man, but those plug electrodes just don't go peacefully in the night.... The tear the shit out of everything they come into contact with and take no prisoners.

Man I know they're ruthless.

Dumbest AZ post of 2016.

Haha thanks man, I don't get why people post like that, like that has anything to do with my problems. If it was a CPO or just pre owned, gonna get the same treatment after it leaves the lot honestly. Even brand new cars have loop holes especially after warranty runs out.

I got $ on a broken valve spring. This will cause your compression issue. Heck, it being on cylinder #2, if you have an inspection camera in your service garage, pop off the oil cap and put the camera in there. You for sure can get to/see the intake's side valve springs to check. Another option you can try for validation, fill the cylinder with air, don't go over 90psi though (you'll be pushing on the rings too much). Prior to doing that, ensure that piston #2 is about to come 'up' for it's compression stroke then put air in the cylinder. You'll be able to tell where the leak is going; intake or exhaust side.

Might be able to save ya a few bucks if you have the time to check into this yourself.

yeah man, that's what we're gonna check when we pull the head... IF Audi doesn't cover it. HOPEFULLY it's just valves and not springs and all, but I'm gonna have the head taken off, get a new gasket, all new valves for all cylinders, for intake/exhaust and then hopefully that's all if springs broken too, we'll know when we pull head and figure it out, like I said *knock on wood* I won't need a shit ton of springs too, but we shall see again IF audi doesn't own up to a major issue at such low miles. We'll see

[kvitrafn]

Just wanted to ask, you have a modified 2010 with 60k miles and you want to lemon law it?

I live in Europe so the laws are different here, but is the car still under warranty? Maybe you want to look into which obligations Audi are under before you get too aggressive with them.

In Europe, at that age and mileage, I think the best you could hope for is some kind of goodwill. And threats may not be the best way to get goodwill coverage.

[Butler230]

Figured I would jump in and let you know where I stand. I've got a 2012 with just under 40K miles and my car is currently in the shop having new pistons put in. I've got a little more info in my "build" thread linked in my sig, but basically I have an APR Stage II tune so Audi wouldn't lift a finger.

My circumstances are very similar to yours. Driving around town, limp mode, run codes, cylinder one misfire, swap coils and plugs, no change. Leak down test shows 0% compression and Audi diagnosis is fried rings. Their labor only cost to replace only the rings in one piston - $4,800! It's currently at my indy shop where he found a broken piston on a car with less than 40,000 miles!

[B8Nate]

Just wanted to ask, you have a modified 2010 with 60k miles and you want to lemon law it?

I live in Europe so the laws are different here, but is the car still under warranty? Maybe you want to look into which obligations Audi are under before you get too aggressive with them.

In Europe, at that age and mileage, I think the best you could hope for is some kind of goodwill. And threats may not be the best way to get goodwill coverage.

Haha, no I wasn't serious in my post. I was being rather sarcastic. The cars warrant expires at 50k miles and I'm about 10k miles out of warranty now, which AOA said may be a possibility they could work with me, so I'm not completely downing AOA or Audi in general. They're customer service so far has been great. But we haven't got down to the nitty gritty. When they find out whats for sure wrong with it and don't wanna fix it that is when we'll have an issue. B/c I technically have no leverage on them. I've been respectful for the most part BUT FIRM.
In my original post, I was stating a fact that this car no matter the age or mileage, idc if someone has 1,000 or 1,000,000 miles on the 2.0 audi a4 motor it's garbage and Audi should take responsibility for it and fix it. It's a $20,000 paper weight to me right now, honestly. I had a less than $10,000 Hyundai with more than double the mileage than this POS Audi and it had better coverage from the dealer and better internals. I never had an issue with it. I WILL NEVER buy another Audi again, if Audi does what's right I'll not badmouth them as a company, I'll sell the Audi if they fix it and get into something more reliable. If not, I'll pay out of pocket with my money, fix it and still sell it. Either way I'm done with Audi.

Figured I would jump in and let you know where I stand. I've got a 2012 with just under 40K miles and my car is currently in the shop having new pistons put in. I've got a little more info in my "build" thread linked in my sig, but basically I have an APR Stage II tune so Audi wouldn't lift a finger.

My circumstances are very similar to yours. Driving around town, limp mode, run codes, cylinder one misfire, swap coils and plugs, no change. Leak down test shows 0% compression and Audi diagnosis is fried rings. Their labor only cost to replace only the rings in one piston - $4,800! It's currently at my indy shop where he found a broken piston on a car with less than 40,000 miles!

That's awful man, I'm sorry to hear that. Sincerely.
Honestly, this scares me. Even though this Audi is NOT tuned. I do have APR exhaust and intake. And it is lowered with wheels. I'm scared if they don't own up and take care of what they're responsible for which is, selling crap motors that break without even abusing them. I'll be stuck repairing AT THE VERY LEAST all new valves, head gasket and having to dump out change to a machine shop to machine and clean it all out. Hopefully when we pull the head it's not pistons, piston rings and all that or I'd probably shit a brick. Honestly. And at 40k miles I'm terribly sorry to hear that. But honestly in your situation, aren't the pistons and piston rings covered under the oil consumption issue? Stage 2 fix for oil consumption is replacing pistons and rings if I'm not mistaken. Or is it bc of the tune they won't even do an oil consumption fix?
If I get in and find burnt/bent valves, I'll replace all that I'll have the head machined and cleaned, I'll put new gasket on it and call it a day. but I am NOT replacing pistons or piston rings when they are absolutely 100% responsible for that. And I will NOT back down from Audi. If it's JUST valves, I'll replace those and the head gasket. IF it's more than that like valve springs as well I'll even take care of those. But I WILL not be buying or replacing pistons or rings when audi has a class a law suite that requires them to replace pistons and rings for oil consumption.



ALSO for anyone reading all this IF AUDI DOES NOT COVER IT...
Been finding decent low mileage (60-72k mileage) heads for sell on online for around $350-1,000 .... Is that a good price? And would it be better/easier for me to buy a head with low miles and just throw it on? Or go ahead and rebuild my head and just buy all new valves, springs, etc and have head machined and new head gasket?

[b6Hate4]

I would have your own head rebuilt, decked, cleaned by a machine shop ect...it will cost the same amount with a much better product in the end.

[B8Nate]

I would have your own head rebuilt, decked, cleaned by a machine shop ect...it will cost the same amount with a much better product in the end.

That's what I figured but I'm selling it as soon as it's back running properly. If I get in there and it's just valves need replaced. Cool. I'll go about replacing all 16 intake/exhaust valves. And let machine shop clean it and put it back together. New gasket and put it all back together. If it's valves + springs and even more than that. I'm just going to buy a low mileage used head, throw it on and call it a day and basically park it until it sells lol I found used heads from $350-1,000 with about 55k or so miles on them. So we shall see. First things first. Got the apt with Audi, let's see what they're gonna do LMFAO... And if they don't help out. Well then, take head off and see what damage we got. Like stated. If it's just valves. Cool, I'll replace, let machine shop clean it and rebuild it. Throw it and new gasket back on an call it a day. If it's springs and valves only. I'll probably debate whether I wanna rebuild or buy used head. Guess that's all for the future to know and me to find out.


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[McFuzz]

Hah - all of you getting your panties in a bunch over my CPO question. In fact it is a legitimate question - perhaps phrased poorly but nevertheless.

Point in case: purchased a CPO A6 TDI (suck on my NOx). Grinding noise started emanating from the front end -- called, dropped the car off and did not think of it any further. End result was a fucked up steering column + wheel bearings; total repair of $4k but since the car is warranted until the far end of 2019 - I did not have to pay a single penny - not for diagnostic, not for repair, not for the loaner - not for a single thing. No one batted an eye; no one threatened "oh well it could be because you..." and no raised any noise about paying for diagnostics.

Moral of the story - if you are planning to buy an expensive (to purchase, own and maintain) vehicle 2nd hand and are not planning to mod, why wouldn't you want to ensure your investment is taken care of for at least the foreseeable future? CEL? Take it to the dealer. MMI died? Take it to the dealer. Your shit assploded? Take it to the dealer.

That said - I'm sorry if my original question was off-putting but it was simply a question.

[B8Nate]

Hah - all of you getting your panties in a bunch over my CPO question. In fact it is a legitimate question - perhaps phrased poorly but nevertheless.

Point in case: purchased a CPO A6 TDI (suck on my NOx). Grinding noise started emanating from the front end -- called, dropped the car off and did not think of it any further. End result was a fucked up steering column + wheel bearings; total repair of $4k but since the car is warranted until the far end of 2019 - I did not have to pay a single penny - not for diagnostic, not for repair, not for the loaner - not for a single thing. No one batted an eye; no one threatened "oh well it could be because you..." and no raised any noise about paying for diagnostics.

Moral of the story - if you are planning to buy an expensive (to purchase, own and maintain) vehicle 2nd hand and are not planning to mod, why wouldn't you want to ensure your investment is taken care of for at least the foreseeable future? CEL? Take it to the dealer. MMI died? Take it to the dealer. Your shit assploded? Take it to the dealer.

That said - I'm sorry if my original question was off-putting but it was simply a question.

No harm in your question. The question didn't truly offend anyone. Just simply wasted time lol I don't have a CPO but I did pay extra for extended warranty though that only covers certain things like computer systems and stuff. We'll see next Friday if they'll honor their mistake. I mean truly an intake and exhaust and better plugs and coil packs, and coil overs and wheels shouldn't cause a motor to go bad @ 63k miles is all my point is. Lol and I sure hope it's not further down into my piston/piston rings though that should be honored by the oil consumption issue even if they're gone or burnt up.
Now If my valves are burnt / bent and my springs also need replaced, so be it. They should own up to it and fix it regardless of CPO or warranties, etc! No motor should be crapping out within a year of owning it and only at 63k miles. Point made.
But of course, If they don't honor it, like I said. I'm gonna throw new intake/exhaust valves in it, new springs (ONLY if I need them) , new head gasket and call it a day and then sell it ASAP! Next time I'll get a CPO or just NOT AN AUDI. Lol who knows??!


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[B8Nate]

Figured I would jump in and let you know where I stand. I've got a 2012 with just under 40K miles and my car is currently in the shop having new pistons put in. I've got a little more info in my "build" thread linked in my sig, but basically I have an APR Stage II tune so Audi wouldn't lift a finger.

My circumstances are very similar to yours. Driving around town, limp mode, run codes, cylinder one misfire, swap coils and plugs, no change. Leak down test shows 0% compression and Audi diagnosis is fried rings. Their labor only cost to replace only the rings in one piston - $4,800! It's currently at my indy shop where he found a broken piston on a car with less than 40,000 miles!

Also I wanted to ask you a question. Since I'm preparing for the worse (Audi saying tough luck) and me repairing my own car. Did you/mechanic check the piston with a bore scope prior to taking head off? Because when I looked for the tip of my spark plug when replacing spark plugs and coil packs. The top of my Pistons looked really clear for 63k miles like still silver and not much build up at all. Cylinder walls looked good too, clean from what I can tell. So... I believe my Pistons and rings are in good condition since we did a compression AND leak down test and nothing changed I don't believe it's my rings or Pistons. I def think it's valves or valve springs. So I'm still praying Audi does the right thing, if not I pray it's JUST valves or springs maybe even both. Just not Pistons or piston rings. Bc mine look in good condition from the top at least.


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[Allowencer]

Figured I would jump in and let you know where I stand. I've got a 2012 with just under 40K miles and my car is currently in the shop having new pistons put in. I've got a little more info in my "build" thread linked in my sig, but basically I have an APR Stage II tune so Audi wouldn't lift a finger.

My circumstances are very similar to yours. Driving around town, limp mode, run codes, cylinder one misfire, swap coils and plugs, no change. Leak down test shows 0% compression and Audi diagnosis is fried rings. Their labor only cost to replace only the rings in one piston - $4,800! It's currently at my indy shop where he found a broken piston on a car with less than 40,000 miles!

Woah... that seems to be either a bad piston out of the gate (which I doubt based on that failure) or a fueling issue; which there was a lot of knock in that cylinder. I would also believe that the bore was scored/marked up pretty good based on how that piston looks. First compression ring is completely melted / blown off with damage to the 2nd compression ring and the oil rings. I would imagine 'sounds' came from the engine too - true? By chance do you have any more pictures of that piston; like the crown to be specific?

Haha, no I wasn't serious in my post. I was being rather sarcastic. The cars warrant expires at 50k miles and I'm about 10k miles out of warranty now, which AOA said may be a possibility they could work with me, so I'm not completely downing AOA or Audi in general. They're customer service so far has been great. But we haven't got down to the nitty gritty. When they find out whats for sure wrong with it and don't wanna fix it that is when we'll have an issue. B/c I technically have no leverage on them. I've been respectful for the most part BUT FIRM.
In my original post, I was stating a fact that this car no matter the age or mileage, idc if someone has 1,000 or 1,000,000 miles on the 2.0 audi a4 motor it's garbage and Audi should take responsibility for it and fix it. It's a $20,000 paper weight to me right now, honestly. I had a less than $10,000 Hyundai with more than double the mileage than this POS Audi and it had better coverage from the dealer and better internals. I never had an issue with it. I WILL NEVER buy another Audi again, if Audi does what's right I'll not badmouth them as a company, I'll sell the Audi if they fix it and get into something more reliable. If not, I'll pay out of pocket with my money, fix it and still sell it. Either way I'm done with Audi.



That's awful man, I'm sorry to hear that. Sincerely.
Honestly, this scares me. Even though this Audi is NOT tuned. I do have APR exhaust and intake. And it is lowered with wheels. I'm scared if they don't own up and take care of what they're responsible for which is, selling crap motors that break without even abusing them. I'll be stuck repairing AT THE VERY LEAST all new valves, head gasket and having to dump out change to a machine shop to machine and clean it all out. Hopefully when we pull the head it's not pistons, piston rings and all that or I'd probably shit a brick. Honestly. And at 40k miles I'm terribly sorry to hear that. But honestly in your situation, aren't the pistons and piston rings covered under the oil consumption issue? Stage 2 fix for oil consumption is replacing pistons and rings if I'm not mistaken. Or is it bc of the tune they won't even do an oil consumption fix?
If I get in and find burnt/bent valves, I'll replace all that I'll have the head machined and cleaned, I'll put new gasket on it and call it a day. but I am NOT replacing pistons or piston rings when they are absolutely 100% responsible for that. And I will NOT back down from Audi. If it's JUST valves, I'll replace those and the head gasket. IF it's more than that like valve springs as well I'll even take care of those. But I WILL not be buying or replacing pistons or rings when audi has a class a law suite that requires them to replace pistons and rings for oil consumption.



ALSO for anyone reading all this IF AUDI DOES NOT COVER IT...
Been finding decent low mileage (60-72k mileage) heads for sell on online for around $350-1,000 .... Is that a good price? And would it be better/easier for me to buy a head with low miles and just throw it on? Or go ahead and rebuild my head and just buy all new valves, springs, etc and have head machined and new head gasket?

A brand new head, I believe is $1,800 from ECS. Keep in mind, you must have the valve cover with it as the cam's main bores are straight on the head/valve cover (bareback basically lol); there aren't any bearings for it. The cam's wear with the head basically and vise versa. You cannot swap the head with a different valve cover or vise versa either; you must have the full assembly. Depending on the condition on your cylinder head, it might be best to just re-use yours. Bottom line, get in there and figure out what the issue is and go from there. I can provide you with all of the cylinder head specifications so everything can be checked, if you like.

I would have your own head rebuilt, decked, cleaned by a machine shop ect...it will cost the same amount with a much better product in the end.

I agree; depending on what needs to get done; it should be less. For example, I put $700 into my cylinder head and that included port and polish work. That price did not include valves or valve springs, but included the lapping and installation of them. I bought IE stuff and Ferrera valves.

That's what I figured but I'm selling it as soon as it's back running properly. If I get in there and it's just valves need replaced. Cool. I'll go about replacing all 16 intake/exhaust valves. And let machine shop clean it and put it back together. New gasket and put it all back together. If it's valves + springs and even more than that. I'm just going to buy a low mileage used head, throw it on and call it a day and basically park it until it sells lol I found used heads from $350-1,000 with about 55k or so miles on them. So we shall see. First things first. Got the apt with Audi, let's see what they're gonna do LMFAO... And if they don't help out. Well then, take head off and see what damage we got. Like stated. If it's just valves. Cool, I'll replace, let machine shop clean it and rebuild it. Throw it and new gasket back on an call it a day. If it's springs and valves only. I'll probably debate whether I wanna rebuild or buy used head. Guess that's all for the future to know and me to find out.
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Like I mentioned above, first identify what's going on and then go from there. Step by step; no need to do something unless you have to or want to.

If my valves are burnt / bent and my springs also need replaced, so be it. They should own up to it and fix it regardless of CPO or warranties, etc! No motor should be crapping out within a year of owning it and only at 63k miles. Point made.
But of course, If they don't honor it, like I said. I'm gonna throw new intake/exhaust valves in it, new springs (ONLY if I need them) , new head gasket and call it a day and then sell it ASAP! Next time I'll get a CPO or just NOT AN AUDI. Lol who knows??!

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Do you 'really' want to sell it / get rid of it? Or are you coming to this conclusion because of the current situation? If you rebuild, you'll have a great motor on your hands that will last you awhile. What are your real intentions or would you like to do with the car? If you were thinking about modifying the car, now's the time to do it .

[B8Nate]

Woah... that seems to be either a bad piston out of the gate (which I doubt based on that failure) or a fueling issue; which there was a lot of knock in that cylinder. I would also believe that the bore was scored/marked up pretty good based on how that piston looks. First compression ring is completely melted / blown off with damage to the 2nd compression ring and the oil rings. I would imagine 'sounds' came from the engine too - true? By chance do you have any more pictures of that piston; like the crown to be specific?



A brand new head, I believe is $1,800 from ECS. Keep in mind, you must have the valve cover with it as the cam's main bores are straight on the head/valve cover (bareback basically lol); there aren't any bearings for it. The cam's wear with the head basically and vise versa. You cannot swap the head with a different valve cover or vise versa either; you must have the full assembly. Depending on the condition on your cylinder head, it might be best to just re-use yours. Bottom line, get in there and figure out what the issue is and go from there. I can provide you with all of the cylinder head specifications so everything can be checked, if you like.


I agree; depending on what needs to get done; it should be less. For example, I put $700 into my cylinder head and that included port and polish work. That price did not include valves or valve springs, but included the lapping and installation of them. I bought IE stuff and Ferrera valves.


Like I mentioned above, first identify what's going on and then go from there. Step by step; no need to do something unless you have to or want to.


Do you 'really' want to sell it / get rid of it? Or are you coming to this conclusion because of the current situation? If you rebuild, you'll have a great motor on your hands that will last you awhile. What are your real intentions or would you like to do with the car? If you were thinking about modifying the car, now's the time to do it .

A brand new head is yes, $1,800 . But I figured I could just buy a used one online for $350-$1,000 and not have to buy valves, take it to the machine shop, etc... But yes only one (the cheapest one) came without the cams in it. The more expensive ones like $800 and up came with everything on the head, springs, valves, cams, covers, etc. Also yeah I've kind of been leaning more towards just rebuilding mine b/c of the sheer fact I'd know there was all new valves on all cylinders and would be a pretty much new head since it'd be perfectly clean and ported. But as you said, I'd like to get in there first and see what the damage is, then go from there.

And yes I was quoted about $300-350 from machine shop, I've found valves all 16 for between $300-450 (with mil discount) from a few websites and the head gasket for about $50-60. If I have to get new springs that another $250-300 and labor will be minimal since I am a mechanic in the air force, haven't ever took apart an audi. But I will have a guy who works on euros that I'm good friends with. He owns his own shop and I'll have them there for anything that stumps me. I'll basically just be doing all the grunt work.

Do I really wanna sell it? Yes and no. Yes for the simple fact I've dumped enough money into this thing on repairs to pay it half off by now. Axles, oil level sensors, fuses, spindles broke, I mean they're just expensive to fix and its honestly been parked in the last 9-10 months I've owned it more than it's been driven. In the 9-10 months I've owned it I think I've put about 4k miles on it and most of that was the 1800 miles I drove it from Arkansas to Idaho for military reasons. So if that tells you anything my wife's 06 Kia has 88k on it and I did a full tune up on it for under $200 and it still runs like a champ. Then I have my bike (what I've been stuck riding the past week b/c of the audi being down) and it runs like a champ too. I take care of everything I own, I don't rag on them if I do it's very minimal just for fun for a second. But Ive just had so many issues with this car for the VERY short time I owned it. Idk maybe I just got a bad one or a dud or something but I don't think at 63k miles should I be having to rebuild my top end, ya know? Or the guy above me with a 2012 and only 40k miles having major issues at such low mileage is ridiculous. That's all I've just been scared away from the Audi brand more or less the German car era. Audi, VW, Porsche, all of them. I'm just kinda bitter about anything german/euro. That's all but I've put so much time/money into this thing. I just don't wanna sell it for whatever I can get for it. I know I'll have a new top end if I rebuild, but then what about timing belt and tensioner and all the other things that I'm suppose to have go out with my mileage. Then once I get it put back together I'm gonna have to take it back to Audi anyways so they can start doing the oil consumption fixing for it. So either way they're gonna have to do stage 1 fix for me, and I'm positive stage 2 bc this car drinks oil like it's gas. So it's already gonna have to go to Audi for a fix, whether they fix this problem for me or not they're still gonna end up fixing pistons and rings b/c I know the pcv/stage 1 fix isn't going to work.
I guess we shall see what the damage and costs are on my head. Rebuild or buy a full complete used head and get it back running and go from there. Of course I have the apt with Audi next Friday and I'm sure we all know the answer I'll get from them if I tell them to fix it, but I've always been one to at least try. When I called AoA they weren't completely against fixing it, they never said "no you're out of warranty, sorry" they simply told me to get it diagnosed, I wasn't far out of warranty. Then talk to service adviser let him/her know what all issues I've had from it, I'm military and need something reliable not something that's been parked more than driven, not something I've paid more to fix than paid off, etc and basically guilt trip them, if they don't care then to call AoA back and have them step in and do what they can do. And if all else fails, that's when I'm stuck fixing it myself (which I think is the outcome, but who knows maybe Audi will surprise me with kindness)

So my next steps is, get it to Audi of Boise Friday, pay $75-80 with mil discount to get it diagnosed and get a free courtesy car for the weekend, beg them to pay for it once they call me back the following Monday, have it fixed by them IF they decide to be nice, if they don't then go about saving up, machine shop, new valves, maybe springs, head gasket, and whatever else, put it all back together and have a new top end. And put it up for sale and wait. Or keep it if I decide against it, idk. Thanks for taking your time to type out all that and read what's going on. Thanks man!! Guess I'll be patient until Friday, see what Audi says, go from there then if it's bad side of it then go about taking the head off myself and go from there again lol!

[Butler230]

That's awful man, I'm sorry to hear that. Sincerely.
Honestly, this scares me. Even though this Audi is NOT tuned. I do have APR exhaust and intake. And it is lowered with wheels. I'm scared if they don't own up and take care of what they're responsible for which is, selling crap motors that break without even abusing them. I'll be stuck repairing AT THE VERY LEAST all new valves, head gasket and having to dump out change to a machine shop to machine and clean it all out. Hopefully when we pull the head it's not pistons, piston rings and all that or I'd probably shit a brick. Honestly. And at 40k miles I'm terribly sorry to hear that. But honestly in your situation, aren't the pistons and piston rings covered under the oil consumption issue? Stage 2 fix for oil consumption is replacing pistons and rings if I'm not mistaken. Or is it bc of the tune they won't even do an oil consumption fix?

The oil consumption issue only applies to the 2009 - early 2011 models. Audi changed to a different piston design in October 2011 and my car is a 2012 so it doesn't fall under the same guidelines. Plus this isn't an oil consumption issue. To qualify for that repair you have to prove a certain level of oil loss within a set period of time. Additionally, they could still deny it because of the tune.

Also I wanted to ask you a question. Since I'm preparing for the worse (Audi saying tough luck) and me repairing my own car. Did you/mechanic check the piston with a bore scope prior to taking head off? Because when I looked for the tip of my spark plug when replacing spark plugs and coil packs. The top of my Pistons looked really clear for 63k miles like still silver and not much build up at all. Cylinder walls looked good too, clean from what I can tell. So... I believe my Pistons and rings are in good condition since we did a compression AND leak down test and nothing changed I don't believe it's my rings or Pistons. I def think it's valves or valve springs. So I'm still praying Audi does the right thing, if not I pray it's JUST valves or springs maybe even both. Just not Pistons or piston rings. Bc mine look in good condition from the top at least.

We didn't do a borescope, but we talked about it. We did compression and leak down tests. Compression test showed 0% in cylinder one and leak down test showed 87% leakage through the rings. I also had 12-15% leakage on the three remaining cylinders.

Woah... that seems to be either a bad piston out of the gate (which I doubt based on that failure) or a fueling issue; which there was a lot of knock in that cylinder. I would also believe that the bore was scored/marked up pretty good based on how that piston looks. First compression ring is completely melted / blown off with damage to the 2nd compression ring and the oil rings. I would imagine 'sounds' came from the engine too - true? By chance do you have any more pictures of that piston; like the crown to be specific?

Thankfully no, it must have broken off cleanly because there is no damage to the head or the bore. The mechanic found a piece of the piston lying on top of the oil pump. Believe it or not, no sound at all, just violently shaking and thrown codes. I don't have any additional pictures at this point, that is just what my shop sent over.

[Allowencer]

Thankfully no, it must have broken off cleanly because there is no damage to the head or the bore. The mechanic found a piece of the piston lying on top of the oil pump. Believe it or not, no sound at all, just violently shaking and thrown codes. I don't have any additional pictures at this point, that is just what my shop sent over.

Did the mechanic 'actually' measure and inspect? I really, really find that hard to believe...

[B8Nate]

The oil consumption issue only applies to the 2009 - early 2011 models. Audi changed to a different piston design in October 2011 and my car is a 2012 so it doesn't fall under the same guidelines. Plus this isn't an oil consumption issue. To qualify for that repair you have to prove a certain level of oil loss within a set period of time. Additionally, they could still deny it because of the tune.



We didn't do a borescope, but we talked about it. We did compression and leak down tests. Compression test showed 0% in cylinder one and leak down test showed 87% leakage through the rings. I also had 12-15% leakage on the three remaining cylinders.



Thankfully no, it must have broken off cleanly because there is no damage to the head or the bore. The mechanic found a piece of the piston lying on top of the oil pump. Believe it or not, no sound at all, just violently shaking and thrown codes. I don't have any additional pictures at this point, that is just what my shop sent over.

Ahh okay makes sense, I forgot you said you had a 2012 and I wasn't sure when they actually started to fix that problem from the factory. Anyways, I don't care tune or not man if that was me Audi WOULD of fixed that. But since yours isn't an 09-early 11 model I guess they're in the clear. I need to do a leak-down test to see if my psi starts to go up at all, at least that'll tell me if I have rings/piston problems. Or maybe I'll just wait for Audi to make their diagnosis and then go from there.

And okay I was just curious, b/c the top of my pistons look perfectly clean just tiny little 1% dirty, it looked very silver and clean from the bore scopes view. But guess the top of my piston could look clean and the sides could be toast like yours was. And mine doesn't shake really at all, not "violently" anyways, it's just a normal misfire shake. If you've guys ever sat in a lightly cammed Camaro that's what my car shakes like not much, just mostly motor noise. Just seemed like a simple misfire that's why I didn't think nothing of it and replaced coils and plugs. Cause it still runs, starts up fine, just no compression 0% in cyl 2. So hopefully if Audi doesn't come through I can just drop the head off w/ the new valves and it'll be all taken care of.

[B8Nate]

Anybody know where a head removal / reinstall thread is? I searched. Couldn't find a DIY. I'm a very hands on person. Easily could do it. But just checking if there's something that I can look at? Thanks in advance.


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[Zach L]

Anybody know where a head removal / reinstall thread is? I searched. Couldn't find a DIY. I'm a very hands on person. Easily could do it. But just checking if there's something that I can look at? Thanks in advance.

May have to use a combination of DIYs for:

Intake manifold removal - intake side of head
Big turbo install - exhaust side of head
Timing chain replacement

Really sorry to hear of this misfortune and best of luck. I'd be doing the replacement myself as well if in your shoes. I'd also look into installing a used, but factory sealed B8.5 engine. Best of luck and don't forget about using DIYs from golfmk6.com

[B8Nate]

May have to use a combination of DIYs for:

Intake manifold removal - intake side of head
Big turbo install - exhaust side of head
Timing chain replacement

Really sorry to hear of this misfortune and best of luck. I'd be doing the replacement myself as well if in your shoes. I'd also look into installing a used, but factory sealed B8.5 engine. Best of luck and don't forget about using DIYs from golfmk6.com

Yeah I'm a DIY'er only b/c I consider myself mechanically inclined. And as long as it's not electrical something I have to use vag for I tend to do it all by myself. But yeah I've taken intake off before to do the carbon clean up at like 58k. So I can pull that off in like 15 mins honestly bc I've take it off twice. This will be #3. And exhaust side didn't seem to bad once apr intake is removed there's lots of space to work with.
And yeah that was my next move was checking mk6 and other forums that share our motor

THANKS MAN!

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[B8Nate]

And so it begins


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And so it begins


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Tearing the head off?

[vdubtx]

What did Audi tell you?

[Allowencer]

Looks like someone else will be reading the thread I've started on DIY motor work.

[B8Nate]

What did Audi tell you?

Nicely to piss off as I expected.


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[B8Nate]

Looks like someone else will be reading the thread I've started on DIY motor work.

Haha yes, I will be!


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[Allowencer]

Haha yes, I will be!


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Take that front end off! Would have provided you a ton of room to remove the turbo and much easier too!

[audigraph]

Sucks OP. I recently had all four injectors replaced by Audi under CPO (when I told them it was probably coils) and then when I went to pickup the car, same rough idle and shaking...two days later, they call me apologizing saying they replaced coils and that was the problem. Four new injectors and four new coils for $85. Not a bad deal, I suppose. However, your situation scares me. I've got 46k on my 2012.

[B8Nate]

Sucks OP. I recently had all four injectors replaced by Audi under CPO (when I told them it was probably coils) and then when I went to pickup the car, same rough idle and shaking...two days later, they call me apologizing saying they replaced coils and that was the problem. Four new injectors and four new coils for $85. Not a bad deal, I suppose. However, your situation scares me. I've got 46k on my 2012.

Yeah man, it sucks. I ended up cancelling my appointment. It was going to cost $100 to tow it there $100 for appointment and $100 for tow back. For them, they told me over the phone the service advisor that his "boss" is very ANTI mods. He was like "I've seen him dismiss warranties for cars not having aftermarket suspension and wheels." So with me having all that plus mods performance wise. I figured it's a waste of money and he agreed. Basically nice told me "I'm screwed don't even bother bringing it in." Called AOA and they agreed.

So I decided to save the $300 it'd cost me to waste for them to tell me what he told me in 10 mins over the phone. So... I started it myself. Got valve cover over just now. Onto getting the complete head off. Then starts the rebuild... Oh joy not... So... That's my story as of now. Will report back when I get a look at my valves so far springs are looking good. Cams look perfect. So top part of head looking good so far.


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[Zach L]

Nice job so far! Keep it up and please snap pics if you can, or at least do a brain dump after you finish to note any trouble, tips, tricks, etc you run into. Thanks for keeping the communication going with all of us here on the forum!
-Zach

[Allowencer]

Dude, you need to take the cam timing off first. You don't want to damage your cams!!! The timing circuit is under tension which is secured by your valve cover. Your valve cover is one of the last things to remove.

EDIT: To add, you don't want to damage the cam journal's, which are raw in the cylinder head. There's no bearings. If they are damaged, you have no choice but to get a new cylinder head.