ChipWerke with APR smaller pulley. Few questions

[Sniper260687]

Afternoon.

I'm looking to see whats the best option out there for me and if compatible with my vehicle.

Looking to purchase the Chipwerke Pro with Stage 2, already have exhaust and intake, looking to buy a smaller pulley, what do you guys recommend?

There are many options out there with and without installation kit, is the installation kit really worth that much?

Any concerns or tips i should know?

Thank you for the time.

EDIT:

Just saw CTS pulley, will the APR installation kit fit the CTS?

Another Edit: lol

Just bought the CTS pulley with install KIT

So the real question here is:

Will the Stage 2 chipwerke tune work fine on this?

[ModItNow]

Afternoon.

I'm looking to see whats the best option out there for me and if compatible with my vehicle.

Looking to purchase the Chipwerke Pro with Stage 2, already have exhaust and intake, looking to buy a smaller pulley, what do you guys recommend?

There are many options out there with and without installation kit, is the installation kit really worth that much?

Any concerns or tips i should know?

Thank you for the time.

EDIT:

Just saw CTS pulley, will the APR installation kit fit the CTS?

Another Edit: lol

Just bought the CTS pulley with install KIT

Just purchased the CTS pulley to try out with my Chipwerke before taking the plunge to a full flash tune. Unfortunatley I havent installed the pulley yet so can't tell you from experience. Its not the smoothest power delivery (on stage 1) which I am assuming will be the same with stage 2. Looking forward to seeing the performance gains though but if its not enough I'm going with EPL. If you haven't purchased the Chipwerke already I would recommend going straight to in direction. Good luck!

[Sniper260687]

Ill also let you know when i get done with mine.

[ModItNow]

Ill also let you know when i get done with mine.

Sounds good!!

[yjypm]

I'm running cts pulley with stg2 CW pro. I didn't clear ecu adaptations so I don't feel a lot of difference to stg1. The jerkiness is still there and a bit more serious (might due to the increased midrange torque).

Just FYI:
I've been running stg1 CW for half a year and stg2 for two weeks.

[SR7D1]

I went straight to the CW Stage II tune with the SRMS pulley kit. Love it! Tip in is a bit aggressive, but totally manageable. Next up is a TCU tune.

[Sniper260687]

I'm running cts pulley with stg2 CW pro. I didn't clear ecu adaptations so I don't feel a lot of difference to stg1. The jerkiness is still there and a bit more serious (might due to the increased midrange torque).

Just FYI:
I've been running stg1 CW for half a year and stg2 for two weeks.

I went ahead and bought the CTS pulley with install kit and the CW pro chip.

So are you saying there is not a lot of difference between stage 1 and 2?

Excuse my ignorance but what is this "ECU CLEAR ADAPTATIONS" you speak of

[yjypm]

I went ahead and bought the CTS pulley with install kit and the CW pro chip.

So are you saying there is not a lot of difference between stage 1 and 2?

Excuse my ignorance but what is this "ECU CLEAR ADAPTATIONS" you speak of

The ecu learns the driving conditions so people usually clear these adaptations after they install or remove CW. On one of the big threads about CW they this tactic was dyno proved. You can simply do this by disconnecting the battery for a period of time (most leave it over night), or you choose "clear DTCs" on VCDS if you have a VagCom.

Some people are good to go without clearing the ecu adaptations, some observed no improvement in power until they cleared the ecu.

[bhvrdr]

So are you saying there is not a lot of difference between stage 1 and 2?

Youll notice the people with 93 octane tend to report more positive results. I have 93 and my car picked up great power with the pulley. I suspect those with 91 octane are not gaining as much power up top due to some timing pull overcorrections or even boost bleed related to that. CW doesnt directly change timing tables so if your car was already pulling a lot of timing and now you add more boost, you're not going to get as much power out of it as you would by going with a less aggressive timing table and then adding the boost. Splash some e85 in there and I'd bet those 91 folks will feel a big difference. Otherwise the 91 folks may have to settle for more mild gains or choose an octane specific tune (ala APR, EPL, GIAC, etc).

Mike

[ModItNow]

Youll notice the people with 93 octane tend to report more positive results. I have 93 and my car picked up great power with the pulley. I suspect those with 91 octane are not gaining as much power up top due to some timing pull overcorrections or even boost bleed related to that. CW doesnt directly change timing tables so if your car was already pulling a lot of timing and now you add more boost, you're not going to get as much power out of it as you would by going with a less aggressive timing table and then adding the boost. Splash some e85 in there and I'd bet those 91 folks will feel a big difference. Otherwise the 91 folks may have to settle for more mild gains or choose an octane specific tune (ala APR, EPL, GIAC, etc).

Mike

Thats a great point Mike. I'm on 91 octane and whenever I put a few gallons of e85 or even a good octane boost its a noticeable increase!

[rtmeikle]

Does anyone know what's different about the Stage II CW? Is it really a different program, or is it just a different initial setting on the two dials?

[bhvrdr]

Does anyone know what's different about the Stage II CW? Is it really a different program, or is it just a different initial setting on the two dials?

Its a different map. Definitely dont try using the same settings for the regular box if you have a pulley. When I used the regular map I used basically what you all would call the 5-1 settings on the pro box and that does get you more power than without the pulley but the stage 2 map keeps the bpv closed even more. In hot weather it kept it completely closed for me and in cooler weather it opened a bit up top but much better than the stage 1 map. I'd guess the following:

Stage 1 CW: verified at least 50whp gain (that was the lowest gain shown on the dyno)
Stage 1 with pulley: i'm guessing 65whp gain or thereabouts
Stage 2 with pulley: 80whp verfied gain on the same dyno
Unitronic Stage 2 with same pulley: I'm guessing around 90whp gain based on the 1/4 mile times comparing to CW stage 2

This is all on 93 pump

Mike

[Sniper260687]

Thats a great point Mike. I'm on 91 octane and whenever I put a few gallons of e85 or even a good octane boost its a noticeable increase!

So i can put E85? without any engine or tune modification ?

We have a shit load of E85 around here, but no 93....oddly enough

[Sniper260687]

Youll notice the people with 93 octane tend to report more positive results. I have 93 and my car picked up great power with the pulley. I suspect those with 91 octane are not gaining as much power up top due to some timing pull overcorrections or even boost bleed related to that. CW doesnt directly change timing tables so if your car was already pulling a lot of timing and now you add more boost, you're not going to get as much power out of it as you would by going with a less aggressive timing table and then adding the boost. Splash some e85 in there and I'd bet those 91 folks will feel a big difference. Otherwise the 91 folks may have to settle for more mild gains or choose an octane specific tune (ala APR, EPL, GIAC, etc).

Mike

Yeah we only have 91, few have 93 but its an arm an a leg.

E85 sounds exciting but no modification needed?

I come from a Subaru family and we had to do a lot of modification to run E85

[Sniper260687]

The ecu learns the driving conditions so people usually clear these adaptations after they install or remove CW. On one of the big threads about CW they this tactic was dyno proved. You can simply do this by disconnecting the battery for a period of time (most leave it over night), or you choose "clear DTCs" on VCDS if you have a VagCom.

Some people are good to go without clearing the ecu adaptations, some observed no improvement in power until they cleared the ecu.

Let me get this straight so i can perform the task correctly.

After i installed the pulley and CW tune, leave the battery disconnected lets say overnight then try to run it?

[yjypm]

Let me get this straight so i can perform the task correctly.

After i installed the pulley and CW tune, leave the battery disconnected lets say overnight then try to run it?

Yep. Don't forget to connect the battery before you drive.

[Sniper260687]

Yep. Don't forget to connect the battery before you drive.

[yjypm]

You don't have to immediately disconnect the battery. You can install it, drive it, went back home and disconnect the battery.

[bhvrdr]

Yeah we only have 91, few have 93 but its an arm an a leg.

E85 sounds exciting but no modification needed?

I come from a Subaru family and we had to do a lot of modification to run E85

Apparently people are running up to 30% with no issue. More than that and the fuel system may not keep up.

mike

[ModItNow]

So i can put E85? without any engine or tune modification ?

We have a shit load of E85 around here, but no 93....oddly enough

I find that running 4.5-5 gallons with the rest of tank filled with 91 works great. Only time I threw a lean code is when I tried putting in 6 gallons.

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[Sniper260687]

I find that running 4.5-5 gallons with the rest of tank filled with 91 works great. Only time I threw a lean code is when I tried putting in 6 gallons.

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So a fix blend of E85 and 91 working okay for you?

[tars9]

Afternoon.

I'm looking to see whats the best option out there for me and if compatible with my vehicle.

Looking to purchase the Chipwerke Pro with Stage 2, already have exhaust and intake, looking to buy a smaller pulley, what do you guys recommend?

There are many options out there with and without installation kit, is the installation kit really worth that much?

Any concerns or tips i should know?

Thank you for the time.

EDIT:

Just saw CTS pulley, will the APR installation kit fit the CTS?

Another Edit: lol

Just bought the CTS pulley with install KIT

So the real question here is:

Will the Stage 2 chipwerke tune work fine on this?

With some good advice from bhvrdr, I went from a CW Stage I to CW Stage II on the CTS pulley on my 6mt 2012. I haven't done a dyno yet, but it seems slightly faster than the Stage I. Shortly after the Stage II and pulley install, I installed a boost tap and P3 VIDI. When the weather is right, I put out high 15s for boost, which seems decent. I'm yet to clear DTCS but it seems to drive fine. I also run an E85/93 blend, per Murat's (from CW) suggestion. I also did the install myself using the CTS tool. The only trouble is that you have to heat the living shit out of that pulley to get it on. I used map gas and (using a heat sensor) heated it to around 1000 degrees F. So have fun with that one. Otherwise, fairly easy.

Sorry for the stream of thought message. Feel free to PM me if I missed something or you have any questions.

CP

[ModItNow]

So a fix blend of E85 and 91 working okay for you?

Works great!

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[Sniper260687]

Works great!

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Ill make sure to give it a try :)

[Sniper260687]

With some good advice from bhvrdr, I went from a CW Stage I to CW Stage II on the CTS pulley on my 6mt 2012. I haven't done a dyno yet, but it seems slightly faster than the Stage I. Shortly after the Stage II and pulley install, I installed a boost tap and P3 VIDI. When the weather is right, I put out high 15s for boost, which seems decent. I'm yet to clear DTCS but it seems to drive fine. I also run an E85/93 blend, per Murat's (from CW) suggestion. I also did the install myself using the CTS tool. The only trouble is that you have to heat the living shit out of that pulley to get it on. I used map gas and (using a heat sensor) heated it to around 1000 degrees F. So have fun with that one. Otherwise, fairly easy.

Sorry for the stream of thought message. Feel free to PM me if I missed something or you have any questions.

CP

Yes i spoke with the CTS person over the phone, he suggested 1 hour in the oven for a nice toasty crunchy exterior.

I will definitely send you a PM if i need help

[Sniper260687]

Just got the Chipwerke today, quick shipping.

Dont have the pulley yet.

Im curious about trying Stage 1 so i just called Chipwerke and ask how i go about using Stage 1 since i requested a Stage 2 map.

The guy said "its okay you can run Stage 2 with out the pulley car will adapt".....But the website strongly recommended a pulley upgrade for Stage 2 he said im in the tech department trust me it will work just fine..

Opinions??? I have the Chipwerke Pro

[theskunk]

I was told to run a stage 2 map to help with some of the lag issues, but without a pulley. So I've been running that for 6 months or so.

[Sniper260687]

I was told to run a stage 2 map to help with some of the lag issues, but without a pulley. So I've been running that for 6 months or so.

So you been running stage 2 with out a pulley?

Everything good? I'm just scared to install it and have problems

[ModItNow]

Just got the Chipwerke today, quick shipping.

Dont have the pulley yet.

Im curious about trying Stage 1 so i just called Chipwerke and ask how i go about using Stage 1 since i requested a Stage 2 map.

The guy said "its okay you can run Stage 2 with out the pulley car will adapt".....But the website strongly recommended a pulley upgrade for Stage 2 he said im in the tech department trust me it will work just fine..

Opinions??? I have the Chipwerke Pro

The stage 2 updated box runs fine without the pulley. I've been driving mine like that for a few weeks before I get my pulley installed. Actually feels really strong!

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[Sniper260687]

The stage 2 updated box runs fine without the pulley. I've been driving mine like that for a few weeks before I get my pulley installed. Actually feels really strong!

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Well installed today, didnt notice any difference in power at all, might have to wait until the ECU adapts, or disconnected the battery but i couldn't figure it out to save my life, i removed the + side but car was still active on power...

[Loe]

what setting is your CW on?

[ShopVac]

I was told I was programed for stage 2...

He stated I could run it because of the 6MT and we have 93 octane. A 25% mix of E85 does give it a nice power boost. My setting is on 5-1 and I only have an intake.

[Loe]

Thank you, just curious. It looks as though on the most current box when I calculate a few fields on 3-1 versus 4-1 versus 5-1 from my past logs, 3-1 seems to read the input signal, then converts it to approx 10-13% less (coincidentally right at the threshold of where an AWE/JHM pulley combo is and integrates with barely any noticeable strange shift behavior on a dsg), whereas the 4-1 tends to try for 14-16%, and the 5-1 attemps to do 17-20%. It may be safer to run the lower settings on the "stage 2" box if you don't have a pulley just to avoid the possibility of throwing an underboost code down the line, however it appears to be running good in your application without any codes I presume?

[Sniper260687]

what setting is your CW on?

Well i purchased it with a stage 2 map because ill be getting the pulley this week.

I cant change anything this is the Pro and only version Chipwerke offered on the website.

[14S4GWM]

Well installed today, didnt notice any difference in power at all, might have to wait until the ECU adapts, or disconnected the battery but i couldn't figure it out to save my life, i removed the + side but car was still active on power...

Remove the negative terminal or clear codes with Carista or vcds.

[Loe]

There are 2 dials behind the end plate when you unscrew it to adjust the settings.

[ModItNow]

There is no performance gain over the stage 1 box but for some it seems to run better. (like less lag after shifts) I have some lag between shifts but when I put some E85 in over the weekend it went away and feels very strong. I don't think the chipwerke likes 91 octane!

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[Andrew149]

So can you run smaller pulley on the stage 1? If so do you just turn up the dial

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[ShopVac]

It may be safer to run the lower settings on the "stage 2" box if you don't have a pulley just to avoid the possibility of throwing an underboost code down the line, however it appears to be running good in your application without any codes I presume?

I have not had any codes at all - it was set 5-1 for me and have not touched it since. I'd need to go back and look...but I think I've had this since the end of February...so ~3 months now. I go back and forth with straight 93 or a 93/E85 mix. No issues with either...

[Sniper260687]

I have not had any codes at all - it was set 5-1 for me and have not touched it since. I'd need to go back and look...but I think I've had this since the end of February...so ~3 months now. I go back and forth with straight 93 or a 93/E85 mix. No issues with either...

I will try to do a E85/91 mix today