Does the 2016 S5 Coupe work with the Chipwerke piggyback?

[maxiedaniels]

I test drove the 2016 S5 but felt the performance was a little lackluster. I'd be leasing so I don't want to risk being flagged for mods... I did however read about the Chipwerke piggyback. Does anyone know if it's available for the 2016 S5 coupe? And is it worth doing?

[yjypm]

It works, just order CW for B8.5 3.0T S5.
If you have no intention to go for a proper tune, it's one of the best mods you can do on your car.

[doug97gxe]

you can get a flash from home proper tune and flash back to stock for service appointments than put that THING on your car

[maxiedaniels]

It works? Hmm I emailed Chipwerke and got a response last saying it'll be released by the end of the year but it's still in development..

[Loe]

I know 2016 A6 3.0t's do not work with a CW due to several changes in both software and hardware on that model year 3.0t, would be interesting if the 2016 S5 is similar in that aspect.

[15DGR V6]

you can get a flash from home proper tune and flash back to stock for service appointments than put that THING on your car

That THING works quite well. In fact, just as well as most tunes with the exception of the latest Stage 1 tunes from APR and GIAC.
It does work on the 2016 S5's, I used one on mine for several months without issue.

[15DGR V6]

I test drove the 2016 S5 but felt the performance was a little lackluster. I'd be leasing so I don't want to risk being flagged for mods... I did however read about the Chipwerke piggyback. Does anyone know if it's available for the 2016 S5 coupe? And is it worth doing?

Yes, it is absolutely worth doing and costs considerably less than a tune.

[doug97gxe]

That THING works quite well. In fact, just as well as most tunes with the exception of the latest Stage 1 tunes from APR and GIAC.
It does work on the 2016 S5's, I used one on mine for several months without issue.

Lol @ quite well

[15DGR V6]

What is funny about it?

[doug97gxe]

What is funny about it?

what's funny is your idea of work quite well when its documented it doesn't work well with 91 Octane which the OP has.. and it causes jerkiness and hesitation for others even with 93

[01northernS4]

I have 94 octane readily available at the pump where I'm at... would that help?

what's funny is your idea of work quite well when its documented it doesn't work well with 91 Octane which the OP has.. and it causes jerkiness and hesitation for others even with 93

[15DGR V6]

what's funny is your idea of work quite well when its documented it doesn't work well with 91 Octane which the OP has.. and it causes jerkiness and hesitation for others even with 93

Perhaps your experience with the Chipwerke piggyback differs from mine. On my S5, it didn't create any jerkiness or hesitation that didn't already exist with the DSG prior to installation. It probably felt worse afterwards, but I'd expect that after adding about 80hp.

Here's the original 75 page thread disscussing the Chipwerke piggyback:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=Chipwerke+apr

There's a wealth of information in there including what settings are required for different weather conditions and availability of different octane fuels.

I'm pretty sure that a DSG tune would help with drivability on DSG cars with the Chipwerke piggyback just as it does with cars that get an ECU tune, since the factory DSG programming pretty much sucks, in my opinion.

[doug97gxe]

Perhaps your experience with the Chipwerke piggyback differs from mine. On my S5, it didn't create any jerkiness or hesitation that didn't already exist with the DSG prior to installation. It probably felt worse afterwards, but I'd expect that after adding about 80hp.

Here's the original 75 page thread disscussing the Chipwerke piggyback:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=Chipwerke+apr

There's a wealth of information in there including what settings are required for different weather conditions and availability of different octane fuels.

I'm pretty sure that a DSG tune would help with drivability on DSG cars with the Chipwerke piggyback just as it does with cars that get an ECU tune, since the factory DSG programming pretty much sucks, in my opinion.

i didn't buy a $60k car to cut corners, i would never use a piggy back on my car, so my "experience" is based on reading these forums where people have echo'd what they feel .. i didn't make this up.. I understand Loe's situation he is trying to push the limits of his car and he is using the CW with his stage 2 tune because it allows him to run more boost than his stage 2 will allow..

anyway read on

So I’ve been driving with the Chipwerke Pro device for about a week now.
- Does it result in more power? Yes.
- Does it negatively impact your driving experience? Yes.
- Is it comparable to an APR tune? Hell no! It does not even come close.
There have been time slip comparisons that put Chipwerke at a similar performance level with APR but who cares about raw performance if it comes at the expense of everyday drivability. I’ve been experiencing the same power lag between shifts; driving in D mode feels like my engine is starved of fuel in the lower RPMs until the box all over sudden kicks in – all of this is somewhat less pronounced in S/Dynamic mode at higher RPM’s. My other ride has a Stage 2 APR tune and there is no comparison. The power delivery with the APR tune is very smooth and linear – just like the stock experience but on steroids… If you want to get a tune and can’t decide between the Chipwerke box and APR, pay the extra money and get the APR tune unless your main consideration is TD1 avoidance (the only reason why I am even considering Chipwerke). I will give it another week but it already seems likely that I will return to stock.

+1. I use it, and it is definitely not a smooth delivery of power and is not consistent either, however for what it is it's not bad. I've had CELs that I've cleared, nothing major, but again I can attest to daily driving occasionally being shitty (in comparison to stock).

What's with some people being so sensitive around here? No one creates a perfect product and no one can make everyone happy. Give suggestions and be helpful.. Don't be defensive. Makes me feel like you're hiding something.

Well, I guess here we have an example of how *not* to respond to a critical customer online. You are unfairly singled out and people here are puppets of big companies? You need to slow down with whatever you are smoking dude. This is an online forum, you know, a place where users express opinions and share experiences… First of all, claiming that I am a competitor (or that I am paid by one) is simply ridiculous. Go ahead and check my other posts. Also, I don’t think that anything I stated in my previous post should be news to anyone here. If you seriously think the experience of your tuning box is on par with a real ECU tune such as APR than I assume you have never been in a car that had a real ECU tune.

Before I ordered your product, I read though 70+ pages of posts by other users here on Audizine and they made it quite obvious that your box is nowhere near to perfect. But I was willing to give it a shot. I have two relatively new cars with essentially the same engine (S5 and Q5 3.0T). My S5 has a proper tune and I know that I am risking potential warranty issues down the road. That made me want to try your product for my second car and I did not expect it to perform close to the APR tune (I was looking for slightly more power and less TD1 risk). As for contacting the seller before posting here… what for? I read what you recommended to several others that complained: Adjust the settings; make sure the box does not get too much heat. Done all that. Anything else?

The reason why I am comparing your box to APR is not because I work for them, it’s because I have two cars with the same engine and one of them has an APR tune on it. So I would think that gives me a good way to compare both products. I previously said that I will give it another week but I guess you just changed my mind. Returning the box to you shortly…

I’ve been driving with the box for a little over a week. I got it with the 5.1 settings but reduced it to 4.1 based on Murat’s recommendation. I also disconnected the battery overnight even though that’s quite a ridiculous thing to do with a Q5 because the battery is in the back and the car has an automatic hatch that won’t close once the battery is disconnected. Moreover, it should not take the ECU more than a few miles to adapt anyway. I drove two days and about 100 miles with the 4.1 settings. It took about 10 miles before it felt the ECU was adapting to the new device (less lag and more power output), but in my particular case it really affected the cars drivability in D/Auto mode. Every time I slightly pushed the pedal down it felt as if the engine is starving for gas or air. As I had previously posted, this was especially pronounced in the lower RPM range. The driving experience improved in S/Dynamic mode and my guess is that this is because the engine is revving higher. After 2 days, I switched the box to 5.1 but that made the experience in D mode worse. After another day, I switched to 6.1 and moved the box out of the engine compartment and placed it right behind the home link device behind the grille. I wanted to make sure that heat isn’t a contributing factor. 6.1 did not feel different than 5.1 to me so after a day I went back to 4.1 and the car has been in that mode ever since. Total mileage I put on the car over the past week was about 350 so I would guess the ECU had plenty of time to adapt. Prior to Murat’s claim that I am a competitor, I was willing to give it another week but at this point my confidence in his company and product is gone. I am going to drive the car stock for another couple of years and then get a real ECU tune.

^^^ No offense taken, your comment was spot on :) I pulled the trigger on the Chipwerke box with mixed feelings after I read a lot of the forum comments here so there weren’t any unrealistic expectations - but I wanted to see for myself. There are however certain comments by the vendor that concern me. Like the one he just made about his device being used by the S4 guys for a year and “no major engine issues” being reported. Is that considered reliability testing by customers? Wow, one year and nobody blew an engine… Product must be great. I have a lot more confidence in the traditional tuners because they test, test and retest individual cars and engines before they put out a tune instead of offering one box for 1,000 models.

As for APR, they had some issues last year and I wasn’t too thrilled with the first version of their tune, but this seemed to have been completely fixed after their update for the B8.5 S4/S5 models last fall. I also have their DSG tune and the overall package works great for me. I would get the same tune for my Q5 in a heartbeat but I really did not want to push the odds in respect to being out of warranty on two new cars ☺

So the plan right now is to wait another couple of years. But I said the same thing about my S5 and got it tuned 6 weeks later…

[15DGR V6]

Laughing...that's good, a bunch of complaining by basically one guy that had his mind made up before he tested it.

You've admitted no direct experience with the device and I provided the link to the thread from which you pulled those quotes. You could've easily pulled several from guys that were satisfied with it.

Anyway, I'm not here to hijack the thread and argue with you. I said my piece and the OP can make his decision based on the information provided. So PM him if you really feel the need to convince him not to buy one.

I'm out.

[doug97gxe]

why would i pull quotes from guys who were satisfied with the product when i was making a notation to your "it works quite well"?? but you're right there is enough information here for the OP to make the choice.. your positive reviews.. and my negative research

[The Fat Kid]

Perhaps your experience with the Chipwerke piggyback differs from mine.

"Dougie Downer" just needs to put a little pep in his step, and then he will embrace the CW.

[SR7D1]

I test drove the 2016 S5 but felt the performance was a little lackluster. I'd be leasing so I don't want to risk being flagged for mods... I did however read about the Chipwerke piggyback. Does anyone know if it's available for the 2016 S5 coupe? And is it worth doing?

I have experience with Chipwerke and APR if you want to hit me up via PM or here, I can give you my experiences. FWIW, CW is the only way to go if your car is under warranty, it is undetectable. And, to answer you 2nd question, it is totally worth doing! For $450? Are you kidding me?

(Most of the big guys make similar claims, but I don't know if we will ever really know?-check sum)

BLVDR is the expert on this, search him out or send him a PM, he will be happy to explain more, he did thorough testing. Also, study the B8 S4 Forum, they have more performance action than the A5/S5 Forum. Good Luck!

[doug97gxe]

I have experience with Chipwerke and APR if you want to hit me up via PM or here, I can give you my experiences. FWIW, CW is the only way to go if your car is under warranty, it is undetectable. And, to answer you 2nd question, it is totally worth doing! For $450? Are you kidding me?

(Most of the big guys make similar claims, but I don't know if we will ever really know?-check sum)

BLVDR is the expert on this, search him out or send him a PM, he will be happy to explain more, he did thorough testing. Also, study the B8 S4 Forum, they have more performance action than the A5/S5 Forum. Good Luck!

where do you guys come up with this stuff? seriously .. its an option of 3 .. CW .. EPL and Unitronic .. for no additional cost and all the other tunes you can flash back to stock for a fee from your dealer

I personally have an EPL Stage 2 Tune and i've flash back to stock in the comfort of my own home then had service done with no TD1 issues

[pr1malr8ge]

i didn't buy a $60k car to cut corners, i would never use a piggy back on my car, so my "experience" is based on reading these forums where people have echo'd what they feel .. i didn't make this up.. I understand Loe's situation he is trying to push the limits of his car and he is using the CW with his stage 2 tune because it allows him to run more boost than his stage 2 will allow..

anyway read on

why would i pull quotes from guys who were satisfied with the product when i was making a notation to your "it works quite well"?? but you're right there is enough information here for the OP to make the choice.. your positive reviews.. and my negative research

While you're entitled to your opinion, but you made a blanket statement that it doesn't work with 91 octane. There has been issue with some but there has also been reviews of it working.

This here is the same concept of you not buying an audi because there is many reviews of people having issues with them. Again I guess this is true with anything and everything made by man! So do you live in a log buck naked?

The point I'm bringing is everyone is entitled to their opinion but you do not have to belittle[in your case laugh at] someone else's fact considering that person had said chipwerk vs you not.

By the way just so you know, that just because it is a piggy back does not mean it's not the best option available. Look at the bimmers Currently a piggy back is the best option for tuning some of them and they are in the same price class as AUDI!

[doug97gxe]

While you're entitled to your opinion, but you made a blanket statement that it doesn't work with 91 octane. There has been issue with some but there has also been reviews of it working.

This here is the same concept of you not buying an audi because there is many reviews of people having issues with them. Again I guess this is true with anything and everything made by man! So do you live in a log buck naked?

The point I'm bringing is everyone is entitled to their opinion but you do not have to belittle[in your case laugh at] someone else's fact considering that person had said chipwerk vs you not.

By the way just so you know, that just because it is a piggy back does not mean it's not the best option available. Look at the bimmers Currently a piggy back is the best option for tuning some of them and they are in the same price class as AUDI!

do you even read your own post? how can you say my comment on 91 octane is blanketed then follow up with others have had issues with 91 as well? my opinion on piggyback's are based on the fact of my prior car using a $600 piggyback and how it worked with boost and a $3000 stand alone ECU and how it worked with boost.. i wasted my $600 because i wanted to cut corners. The CW Piggyback is fooling the ECU to make more boost than it normally should, anything goes wrong with the communication between the ECU and CW car goes boom.. personally i would rather spend the extra $600 and get a tune where its going directly to the brain of the ECU.. the ECU is controlling the car.. its not being lied to or being fooled.

Now i can understand your way of thinking.. you don't mind spending $30 on a meal but would never spend $30 on an app in itunes.. i get it.. i get it.. personally if i spend 60k on a car.. i'm not going to skim out on the risk of blowing my engine for an extra $600 .. hey maybe if i was driving a honda civic and $600 was hard to come by .. and don't tell me what the BMW guys do.. if they jumped off a bridge.. you jumping too?

[SR7D1]

where do you guys come up with this stuff? seriously .. its an option of 3 .. CW .. EPL and Unitronic .. for no additional cost and all the other tunes you can flash back to stock for a fee from your dealer

I personally have an EPL Stage 2 Tune and i've flash back to stock in the comfort of my own home then had service done with no TD1 issues

Doug, do you honestly not know about check sum? I have poured through layers of data in this forum alone regarding that issue. I have had APR and had it flashed back to "stock" to perform warranty work, so I have experience with it, but, the stock ECU has check sum values that are "under " the flash. I stand by what I wrote earlier, the value and the guaranteed no TD1, are huge benefits to this tune.

Not sure what you mean by "for no additional cost....for a fee"? Besides, the OP was asking about Chipwerke, which , if I am not mistaken, you have absolutely no personal experience with? Perhaps you should let those of us that actually HAVE the product, respond to his original question?

[doug97gxe]

Doug, do you honestly not know about check sum? I have poured through layers of data in this forum alone regarding that issue. I have had APR and had it flashed back to "stock" to perform warranty work, so I have experience with it, but, the stock ECU has check sum values that are "under " the flash. I stand by what I wrote earlier, the value and the guaranteed no TD1, are huge benefits to this tune.

Not sure what you mean by "for no additional cost....for a fee"? Besides, the OP was asking about Chipwerke, which , if I am not mistaken, you have absolutely no personal experience with? Perhaps you should let those of us that actually HAVE the product, respond to his original question?

you're contradicting yourself .. first you said CW is the only option if you have warranty and then you said you have flashed back to stock with APR with no warranty issues .. its like you're arguing with yourself

no additional cost = after you have the tune you don't pay anything else to flash back to stock or add a tune
for a fee = you go to your APR/GIAC dealer and pay a fee to add or remove your tune

as long as what i'm stating is posted on this forum by real world CW users i don't need to have personal experience with the product.. you CW owners would love to sweep the issues under the rug and tell everyone it works "quite well" when in actuality its well documented on the forum it causes problems.. stop it

[bmoreS4]

Also, APR and EPL are not the same when it comes to this.

EPL copies your stock OEM file and keeps it on file, same with your OEM TCU file.

When you flash back with EPL, you are really putting the OEM file with the same exact version number back on.

Just FYI

[pr1malr8ge]

i didn't buy a $60k car to cut corners, i would never use a piggy back on my car, so my "experience" is based on reading these forums where people have echo'd what they feel .. i didn't make this up.. I understand Loe's situation he is trying to push the limits of his car and he is using the CW with his stage 2 tune because it allows him to run more boost than his stage 2 will allow..

anyway read on

do you even read your own post? how can you say my comment on 91 octane is blanketed then follow up with others have had issues with 91 as well? my opinion on piggyback's are based on the fact of my prior car using a $600 piggyback and how it worked with boost and a $3000 stand alone ECU and how it worked with boost.. i wasted my $600 because i wanted to cut corners. The CW Piggyback is fooling the ECU to make more boost than it normally should, anything goes wrong with the communication between the ECU and CW car goes boom.. personally i would rather spend the extra $600 and get a tune where its going directly to the brain of the ECU.. the ECU is controlling the car.. its not being lied to or being fooled.

Now i can understand your way of thinking.. you don't mind spending $30 on a meal but would never spend $30 on an app in itunes.. i get it.. i get it.. personally if i spend 60k on a car.. i'm not going to skim out on the risk of blowing my engine for an extra $600 .. hey maybe if i was driving a honda civic and $600 was hard to come by .. and don't tell me what the BMW guys do.. if they jumped off a bridge.. you jumping too?

First you're not paying atention. You made a blanket statement that anyone who has used a QW has had issues running 91octane. Whilst this is UNTRUE. Yes some people have but not all of them. This could just be due to shit gas they are getting. IT also does not mean that the OP or the person you laughed at will be using shit 91 octane or even 91 for that matter.. 93 is premium where I'm at.

as far as paying for a 30 dollar meal and not buying a 30 dollar app is an awful analogy. It does not correlate to anything in regards to buying one thing over another. Nice try but err hell that wasn't a nice try it was pulling something out of your ass..

Next, I'm sorry you had an issue with a piggy back on another vehicle. but that does not mean it's the same thing as the one we are discussing here. But some food for thought. If lets say you think a full ecu tune is better no matter the vehicle then you're blind to reality. as an improper ecu tune used in conjunction with shit gas can/will blow an engine faster then this piggy back will. As for the ECU tune could ignore knock or even ignore a lean AFR and allow the motor to cook it self. With this piggy if knock/afr goes out of wack the stock ecu will go to limp mode and nothing the piggy can do to prevent that from happening. In the case of this car.

Now while a APR/giac tune will be the "best" in terms if raw power. It does not mean it's the best option for everyone.

So to your comment about bwm guys jumping off a bridge. This shows how narrow minded you are. Maybe you should sell that 60,000 dollar car and go buy a honda civic!

[doug97gxe]

First you're not paying atention. You made a blanket statement that anyone who has used a QW has had issues running 91octane. Whilst this is UNTRUE. Yes some people have not all of them.

my statement says it doesn't work well with 91 octane.. so a few people have issues with it isn't documentation of it not working well with 91 octane? how is that blanketed its a FACT .. no where did i say ALL people who use 91 have a problem with it.. i said it doesn't work well with it.. 1 case makes it a fact.. 2 cases makes it a fact.. multiple cases STILL MAKES IT A FACT..

as far as paying for a 30 dollar meal and not buying a 30 dollar app is an awful analogy. It does not correlate to anything in regards to buying one thing over another. Nice try but err hell that wasn't a nice try it was pulling something out of your ass..

my attempt at humor to lighten the mood.. see i struck a nerve.. no biggie.. we can move on

Next, I'm sorry you had an issue with a piggy back on another vehicle. but that does not mean it's the same thing as the one we are discussing here. But some food for thought. If lets say you think a full ecu tune is better no matter the vehicle then you're blind to reality. as an improper ecu tune used in conjunction with shit gas can/will blow an engine faster then this piggy back will. As for the ECU tune could ignore knock or even ignore a lean AFR and allow the motor to cook it self. With this piggy if knock/afr goes out of wack the stock ecu will go to limp mode and nothing the piggy can do to prevent that from happening. In the case of this car.

the only ECU tune that has been programmed to ignore knock is the REVO tune .. all others work with the Knock sensor.. this is also very well documented in the S4 forum. Personally i wouldn't use the REVO tune either because its doing similar as the CW .. so you're statement is incorrect you should do a little more research on these tunes

Now while a APR/giac tune will be the "best" in terms if raw power. It does not mean it's the best option for everyone.

you're right.. some of use choose a cheaper option for more power cutting corners.. some of us choose to remain stock and some of us choose a real tune .. a real tune isn't about numbers for everyone actually but more that the car is running more boost safely with full understanding of the ECU to make adjustments at anytime.. the fact in your prior post that you're comparing the safety of an ECU tune with the CW alarms me

So to your comment about bwm guys jumping off a bridge. This shows how narrow minded you are. Maybe you should sell that 60,000 dollar car and go buy a honda civic!

the jump off a bridge comment wasn't another attempt at humor on my part to lighten the mood, but i see you're very emotional about this whole situation .. not sure even if i was narrow minded what buying a civic has to do with anything? are you suggesting people who buy civic's are narrow minded? i'm confused

[pr1malr8ge]

i didn't buy a $60k car to cut corners, i would never use a piggy back on my car, so my "experience" is based on reading these forums where people have echo'd what they feel .. i didn't make this up.. I understand Loe's situation he is trying to push the limits of his car and he is using the CW with his stage 2 tune because it allows him to run more boost than his stage 2 will allow..

anyway read on

you're contradicting yourself .. first you said CW is the only option if you have warranty and then you said you have flashed back to stock with APR with no warranty issues .. its like you're arguing with yourself

no additional cost = after you have the tune you don't pay anything else to flash back to stock or add a tune
for a fee = you go to your APR/GIAC dealer and pay a fee to add or remove your tune

as long as what i'm stating is posted on this forum by real world CW users i don't need to have personal experience with the product.. you CW owners would love to sweep the issues under the rug and tell everyone it works "quite well" when in actuality its well documented on the forum it causes problems.. stop it

That's bull shit in terms not paying anything to have apr/giac to remove the tune with no cost.

I can with the utmost certainity argue that they will not remove and reinstall it free of charge.
second what happens if you run into car troubles say in some town 100+ miles away from the nearest apr/awe tuning center. and the car needs to be toed to a dealership. DO YOU THINK audi is going to cover a tow to another dealer then to their own dealer?

Again it seems you're just narrow minded to the entire reality that is life and are in a bubble of your own delusion.

[bmoreS4]

That's bull shit in terms not paying anything to have apr/giac to remove the tune with no cost.

I can with the utmost certainity argue that they will not remove and reinstall it free of charge.
second what happens if you run into car troubles say in some town 100+ miles away from the nearest apr/awe tuning center. and the car needs to be toed to a dealership. DO YOU THINK audi is going to cover a tow to another dealer then to their own dealer?

Again it seems you're just narrow minded to the entire reality that is life and are in a bubble of your own delusion.

One, every shop is different, but the vast majority do not charge to flash to stock and back for dealer work.

Two, EPL lets you flash at home with a tablet. I keep mine in my glovebox, if something would happen I can flash back before its taken.

You guys play nice, no need for this name calling and nonsense.

[SR7D1]

Also, APR and EPL are not the same when it comes to this.

EPL copies your stock OEM file and keeps it on file, same with your OEM TCU file.

When you flash back with EPL, you are really putting the OEM file with the same exact version number back on.

Just FYI

Vendors are getting much better with the "back to stock" flashes, but we still should be aware of check sum and flash count. Not saying it will come back and bite you, I have no idea how thoroughly dealers check? No chip vendor guarantees you to not get a TD1 when returning to your stock file. But for many of us, myself included, warranty work is not an issue, so many times it becomes an issue how much bang for you buck are you getting? I had no problem spending $600 for an APR tune on my A4. I hesitate at $1300. YMMV. Unitronic, EPL and 034 (soon) are awesome for convenience!

The links below are for Doug, but they are germane to our discussion.

Post # 3 in this thread:http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ight=check+sum

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ht=flash+count

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ht=flash+count

[bmoreS4]

Vendors are getting much better with the "back to stock" flashes, but we still should be aware of check sum and flash count. Not saying it will come back and bite you, I have no idea how thoroughly dealers check? No chip vendor guarantees you to not get a TD1 when returning to your stock file. But for many of us, myself included, warranty work is not an issue, so many times it becomes an issue how much bang for you buck are you getting? I had no problem spending $600 for an APR tune on my A4. I hesitate at $1300. YMMV. Unitronic, EPL and 034 (soon) are awesome for convenience!

Very true, before I went with EPL I read a lot of threads and talked to all the companies I could.

EPL seems to be the most safe to me, so I went with it. Also Tony and EPL are doing a lot to go beyond Stage 2.

Anyway, CW is good for quick power, but the driving experience when not gunning it is kinda shitty.

[pr1malr8ge]

my statement says it doesn't work well with 91 octane.. so a few people have issues with it isn't documentation of it not working well with 91 octane? how is that blanketed its a FACT .. no where did i say ALL people who use 91 have a problem with it.. i said it doesn't work well with it.. 1 case makes it a fact.. 2 cases makes it a fact.. multiple cases STILL MAKES IT A FACT..

You stated and continue to state that ALL have had this issue. Thus it's a blanket statement. When there has been DOCUMENTED replies of those saying they have had no issues running 91 octane.

my attempt at humor to lighten the mood.. see i struck a nerve.. no biggie.. we can move on

Humor huh? made no sense hense why I stated as such. no nerve could care less.

the only ECU tune that has been programmed to ignore knock is the REVO tune .. all others work with the Knock sensor.. this is also very well documented in the S4 forum. Personally i wouldn't use the REVO tune either because its doing similar as the CW .. so you're statement is incorrect you should do a little more research on these tunes

No revo tune is not doing the same thing. It was actually changing the AFR and allowing it to lean out. The CW does not affect fuel delivery like the Revo tune does/did.

you're right.. some of use choose a cheaper option for more power cutting corners.. some of us choose to remain stock and some of us choose a real tune .. a real tune isn't about numbers for everyone actually but more that the car is running more boost safely with full understanding of the ECU to make adjustments at anytime.. the fact in your prior post that you're comparing the safety of an ECU tune with the CW alarms me

again this is opinion not fact. Just because it's an less expensive option does not mean it is cutting corners nor does it mean it's not "real". and the fact that you think altering an ECU is with out any risk is also alarming.

the jump off a bridge comment wasn't another attempt at humor on my part to lighten the mood, but i see you're very emotional about this whole situation .. not sure even if i was narrow minded what buying a civic has to do with anything? are you suggesting people who buy civic's are narrow minded? i'm confused

Humor that again is just ignorance. If you had said $60,000 dollar AUDI vs what you said of a 60,000 dollar CAR then you might have some leg to stand on here. But you dont since you didn't specify. BMW being also a 60,000 dollar car and the piggy back is "proven according to your thinking" to be the best option it held reference in this specific discussion.
as far as honda civic owners being narrow minded. I never said that. you again brought that into this discussion and I suggested maybe you should own one instead of an audi.

[SR7D1]

Very true, before I went with EPL I read a lot of threads and talked to all the companies I could.

EPL seems to be the most safe to me, so I went with it. Also Tony and EPL are doing a lot to go beyond Stage 2.

Anyway, CW is good for quick power, but the driving experience when not gunning it is kinda shitty.

I hear a lot of good thing about EPL, I am awaiting 034's product too! Maybe someday vendors will solve the TD1 mystery? One can only hope!

BTW, I have the CW-S, with the Stage II tune. I use 93 octane all the time and actually, knock on wood, have zero issues with it? Maybe my file is different or the gas here is better? Doug does not know (or care) me very well, if I thought CW made a bad product or if I had issues with it, I would tell the OP to run as far away as he could. BLVDR made awesome power on his and was essential for helping me make the jump.

[bmoreS4]

I hear a lot of good thing about EPL, I am awaiting 034's product too! Maybe someday vendors will solve the TD1 mystery? One can only hope!

BTW, I have the CW-S, with the Stage II tune. I use 93 octane all the time and actually, knock on wood, have zero issues with it? Maybe my file is different or the gas here is better? Doug does not know (or care) me very well, if I thought CW made a bad product or if I had issues with it, I would tell the OP to run as far away as he could. BLVDR made awesome power on his and was essential for helping me make the jump.

Everyone has reasons for what they choose what they do, to each his own.

[bmoreS4]

You stated and continue to state that ALL have had this issue. Thus it's a blanket statement. When there has been DOCUMENTED replies of those saying they have had no issues running 91 octane.



Humor huh? made no sense hense why I stated as such. no nerve could care less.



No revo tune is not doing the same thing. It was actually changing the AFR and allowing it to lean out. The CW does not affect fuel delivery like the Revo tune does/did.



again this is opinion not fact. Just because it's an less expensive option does not mean it is cutting corners nor does it mean it's not "real". and the fact that you think altering an ECU is with out any risk is also alarming.



Humor that again is just ignorance. If you had said $60,000 dollar AUDI vs what you said of a 60,000 dollar CAR then you might have some leg to stand on here. But you dont since you didn't specify. BMW being also a 60,000 dollar car and the piggy back is "proven according to your thinking" to be the best option it held reference in this specific discussion.
as far as honda civic owners being narrow minded. I never said that. you again brought that into this discussion and I suggested maybe you should own one instead of an audi.

Dude, give it a rest.

[pr1malr8ge]

One, every shop is different, but the vast majority do not charge to flash to stock and back for dealer work.

Two, EPL lets you flash at home with a tablet. I keep mine in my glovebox, if something would happen I can flash back before its taken.

You guys play nice, no need for this name calling and nonsense.

Been looking at EPL, but with their website down I haven't been able to see what they have to offer.. How are you liking their tune? I like the flash at home aspect as I don't live close to anyone who can do an apr/giac tune.

Dude, give it a rest.

But I'm having fun with him. Pretty funny I've gotten PVT msg in regards to him being called "dusche" in those pvt msg.

[SR7D1]

That's the only thing I wish would improve on EPL. The website. It's not actually "down". I just has no content, it's not done yet. I agree, it would be helpful because then you would know the options and prices. 034 looks promising too!

[bmoreS4]

Been looking at EPL, but with their website down I haven't been able to see what they have to offer.. How are you liking their tune? I like the flash at home aspect as I don't live close to anyone who can do an apr/giac tune.

They are working on the site, hope to see it soon.

ATM I'm Stage 1 with TCU and I love it, I'm hoping to have my pulley installed this weekend and flash to Stage2.

Just contact Tony@EPL to get details.

[bmoreS4]

That's the only thing I wish would improve on EPL. The website. It's not actually "down". I just has no content, it's not done yet. I agree, it would be helpful because then you would know the options and prices. 034 looks promising too!

The EPL customers have been asking for it, Tony has hired more staff and they are now working on it.

I agree, they need one.

[Chris@EPL]

Been looking at EPL, but with their website down I haven't been able to see what they have to offer.. How are you liking their tune? I like the flash at home aspect as I don't live close to anyone who can do an apr/giac tune.



But I'm having fun with him. Pretty funny I've gotten PVT msg in regards to him being called "dusche" in those pvt msg.

PM sent and I may have just talked to you on the phone.

[pr1malr8ge]

PM sent and I may have just talked to you on the phone.

you did just talk to me, thanks for the PM I got it.

[doug97gxe]

That's bull shit in terms not paying anything to have apr/giac to remove the tune with no cost.

I can with the utmost certainity argue that they will not remove and reinstall it free of charge.
second what happens if you run into car troubles say in some town 100+ miles away from the nearest apr/awe tuning center. and the car needs to be toed to a dealership. DO YOU THINK audi is going to cover a tow to another dealer then to their own dealer?

Again it seems you're just narrow minded to the entire reality that is life and are in a bubble of your own delusion.

no where did i say APR/GIAC removes the tune without a cost.. where are you reading this?

here is my post again in case you missed it

where do you guys come up with this stuff? seriously .. its an option of 3 .. CW .. EPL and Unitronic .. for no additional cost and all the other tunes you can flash back to stock for a fee from your dealer

I personally have an EPL Stage 2 Tune and i've flash back to stock in the comfort of my own home then had service done with no TD1 issues

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You stated and continue to state that ALL have had this issue. Thus it's a blanket statement. When there has been DOCUMENTED replies of those saying they have had no issues running 91 octane.



Humor huh? made no sense hense why I stated as such. no nerve could care less.



No revo tune is not doing the same thing. It was actually changing the AFR and allowing it to lean out. The CW does not affect fuel delivery like the Revo tune does/did.



again this is opinion not fact. Just because it's an less expensive option does not mean it is cutting corners nor does it mean it's not "real". and the fact that you think altering an ECU is with out any risk is also alarming.



Humor that again is just ignorance. If you had said $60,000 dollar AUDI vs what you said of a 60,000 dollar CAR then you might have some leg to stand on here. But you dont since you didn't specify. BMW being also a 60,000 dollar car and the piggy back is "proven according to your thinking" to be the best option it held reference in this specific discussion.
as far as honda civic owners being narrow minded. I never said that. you again brought that into this discussion and I suggested maybe you should own one instead of an audi.

you win dude.. my work day is complete.. thank you for helping me pass the time