Michelin Pilot Super Sports 92Y or 96Y

[t3han0maly]

Hi All,
I searched but didnt find an exact answer. At 10800 miles my stock Continental are nearing the end of their lives and like everyone else I'm wanting to go for the PSS'. On doing a quick search I found 2 tiers, 92Y and 96Y.
I know what the differrence between the two is (weight rating)
92 = 1,389 lbs
96 = 1,565 lbs

I was curious which version folks are running. Why did you pick the one you did? I'm fairly certain I can get away with the 92Y.

Bonus question, is it possible to fit a 265 wide PSS on the stock peelers? I've read the PSS's are more "square" than the Continentals were so the 265 may be too wide?

Advice and thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks!

[will13k7]

some tireshops won't install 92y on a B8 s4, that should tell you something.

[theswoleguy]

It would fail tech spec at a track day to. I know the half mile shootouts I've done check tire load rating against factory.

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[t3han0maly]

some tireshops won't install 92y on a B8 s4, that should tell you something.

It would fail tech spec at a track day to. I know the half mile shootouts I've done check tire load rating against factory.

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Thats good to know. I guess I know which one to get then.

[DGVR6]

From tire exploding

[paulo6]

Belle tire installed 92Y on mine 10k miles ago - no issues. I'm still alive


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[bhvrdr]

Definitely a bad idea. Everything will be fine...until it isnt. Get the 96.

Mike

[eurotic]

What's everyone's thoughts on the speed rating? I had one tire shop refuse to sell me tires for my S4 because the tire didn't have the (Y) speed rating, they were W. I wish I had thought to ask how that policy works for winter tires. I went to a different shop (same chain) and they had no issue with it.

Just wondering if anyone here has an opinion on running something less than (Y). My car is never going to see 270km/h which is what a W is rated for and the (Y) is for over 300 km/h...can the B8 S4 even reach that assuming you disabled the electronic speed governor?

[Bruno_s4]

Yes my tire shop definitely recommended the 96Y. Same weight anyways....

[DGVR6]

What's everyone's thoughts on the speed rating? I had one tire shop refuse to sell me tires for my S4 because the tire didn't have the (Y) speed rating, they were W. I wish I had thought to ask how that policy works for winter tires. I went to a different shop (same chain) and they had no issue with it.

Just wondering if anyone here has an opinion on running something less than (Y). My car is never going to see 270km/h which is what a W is rated for and the (Y) is for over 300 km/h...can the B8 S4 even reach that assuming you disabled the electronic speed governor?

With some tunes you can see above 300km.. You can run something less than Y.. Winter tires are rated lower and people run them.
After a certain speed it becomes dangerous (assuming you'll go above the speed the tires are rated for), the structure of the tire wasn't made to go above it. Usually they're rated at sustained high speeds where tires start to build heat and start to flex outward/distort causing performance problems.
If you do a quick burst.. You'll be fine going above the rated speed for a quick second. But it's really rated for sustained high speeds.

[eurotic]

With some tunes you can see above 300km.. You can run something less than Y.. Winter tires are rated lower and people run them.
After a certain speed it becomes dangerous (assuming you'll go above the speed the tires are rated for), the structure of the tire wasn't made to go above it. Usually they're rated at sustained high speeds where tires start to build heat and start to flex outward/distort causing performance problems.
If you do a quick burst.. You'll be fine going above the rated speed for a quick second. But it's really rated for sustained high speeds.

Realistically my car will never hit even the limit of the H rated snow tires (130mph or 210km/h). My local track I think down the front straight it's about 180-185 km/h that we can hit. Not that I'd do that in snows but you see my point.

I know that certain shops need to cover their butts especially because people do silly things.

[StealthBlackA4]

Good info here, especially since I'm in dire need of new tires after just only 6,600 miles. I'm running on slicks haha. These Continetals really were as terrible as everyone else was making them out to be, not to mention that god awful tire drone at slow speeds . Glad my go to tire will always be Michelin PSS for all of my performance vehicles.

[pdqgp]

Definitely a bad idea. Everything will be fine...until it isnt. Get the 96.

Mike

^^ this. I wouldn't recommend the 92's. Load bearing isn't something you want to mess with on tires.

[Bmil128]

^^ this. I wouldn't recommend the 92's. Load bearing isn't something you want to mess with on tires.

I can vouch for this as well. I had 91s installed on an Acura I had long ago that specified 93s and had two sidewalls slowly fail.

[pdqgp]

I can vouch for this as well. I had 91s installed on an Acura I had long ago that specified 93s and had two sidewalls slowly fail.

Scary stuff. Add in the torque and power from the S4 and AWD and think about the stress our tires are under. Not worth the risks. Any installer worth their salt should not install a tire that's underrated too.

[LYKUNO]

Just ordered a set of PSS in 255/40ZR18 (99Y) XL. Max load is 1709lbs, tire weight 25lbs, tread width 9.5". $229 each with free road hazard protection. Then again, this is for an 18".

[t3han0maly]

Thanks for all the info on the weight. I'll be going with the 96's.

Anyone able to chime in if I can fit 265's on the stock peelers?

[switchedstance]

Tire rack sold me 92y when I put the model info into their website. Have run them for about 5k miles without an issue.

[pdqgp]

Tire rack sold me 92y when I put the model info into their website. Have run them for about 5k miles without an issue.

Are you on 18's or 19's? You'll probably be fine but it's too close for my comfort.

IIRC Curb weight of the car is like 3900lbs give or take a few. It has a horrible 62/48% distribution which makes it front heavy. That's about 1,200 lbs per tire on the fronts just sitting still. Add in driver, cargo/passengers and then add in forces such as the fact that we're running at a suggested 41psi, they are being exposed to conditions such as it being an AWD platform and perhaps your driving environment and conditions and the sidewall on those tires are being exposed to a more impactful amount of stress from heat than the higher rated ones would be. In other words, I wouldn't go auto crossing or even to a fun road course day trip with them. That's just me though. I'm very surprised they didn't match you to what the stock tires such as the conti's are rated at which is the 96Y code.

[switchedstance]

Are you on 18's or 19's? You'll probably be fine but it's too close for my comfort.

IIRC Curb weight of the car is like 3900lbs give or take a few. It has a horrible 62/48% distribution which makes it front heavy. That's about 1,200 lbs per tire on the fronts just sitting still. Add in driver, cargo/passengers and then add in forces from driving conditions such as it being an AWD platform and perhaps your driving environment and conditions and the sidewall on those tires are being exposed to a more impactful amount of stress from heat than the higher rated ones would be. In other words, I wouldn't go auto crossing or even to a fun road course day trip with them. That's just me though. I'm very surprised they didn't match you to what the stock tires such as the conti's are rated at which is the 96Y code.

Live and learn I guess. so at 1389 per tire, that's 5556lbs they can support before being overloaded. With the weight distribution factor, I should still be OK. I recently retired from the "stance" scene and you'd probably cringe at the tires I've run before without issue. 245/30/20 on an 11" wide wheel on my a5 l, have done a 215/40 on a 10.5" wide wheel on my GTI, never an issue. I'm sure the manufacturer programs in a factor of safety when it comes to load rating. That said, no intention to compete on these, maybe some spirited driving. Though, this conversation will make me think about how I load the car for a road trip from NYC to Vermont this month. I'll continue to stay super vigilant about pressures.

[pdqgp]

Live and learn I guess. so at 1389 per tire, that's 5556lbs they can support before being overloaded. With the weight distribution factor, I should still be OK. I recently retired from the "stance" scene and you'd probably cringe at the tires I've run before without issue. 245/30/20 on an 11" wide wheel on my a5 l, have done a 215/40 on a 10.5" wide wheel on my GTI, never an issue. I'm sure the manufacturer programs in a factor of safety when it comes to load rating. That said, no intention to compete on these, maybe some spirited driving. Though, this conversation will make me think about how I load the car for a road trip from NYC to Vermont this month.

I agree you'll probably be fine. In the past more than now I did a lot of Autocross and road course events so I'm more sensitive to the subject as I've had tires fail due to heat and witnessed others with sidewall failure.

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[bhvrdr]

Tire rack sold me 92y when I put the model info into their website. Have run them for about 5k miles without an issue.

I just tried to add the 92y tires for an S4 and it allows it but adds the warning: XL tires required (which these aren't). I'm actually surprised they allow it. You wont have a warranty on the tires of course. Either way, glad the OP got the right ones. The sidewalls can separate when you go with too low of a rating. You may be fine for awhile or you may have a blowout at an inopportune time.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ss-than-3-days

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-Discount-Tire

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Lesson-Learned

Mike

[switchedstance]

I just tried to add the 92y tires for an S4 and it allows it but adds the warning: XL tires required (which these aren't). I'm actually surprised they allow it. You wont have a warranty on the tires of course. Either way, glad the OP got the right ones. The sidewalls can separate when you go with too low of a rating. You may be fine for awhile or you may have a blowout at an inopportune time.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ss-than-3-days

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-Discount-Tire

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Lesson-Learned

Mike

I'dont remember seeing that warning. Michelin accepted the tire warranty registration and Tire Rack accepted the road hazard guarantee. Hmm.

[pdqgp]

I just tried to add the 92y tires for an S4 and it allows it but adds the warning: XL tires required (which these aren't). I'm actually surprised they allow it.

I'dont remember seeing that warning. Michelin accepted the tire warranty registration and Tire Rack accepted the road hazard guarantee. Hmm.

As you scroll down you'll be given the choice of which load bearing version you wish to buy. I have no double the warranty was accepted, etc. as I'm sure their are simply just registering the tires to you vs cross checking the load bearing requirements vs your selection.

[will13k7]

I ran 92y since that's the highest load rating I could get for summer tires in 245 30's for a 20x9" wheel. After about I'd say somewhere around 10K miles, I had two separate occasions, a month or so apart, where my front right tire blew out on the freeway without hitting any hard bumps or potholes that day. There were no punctures. I could never be 100% sure, but I'd say it was a combination of slight stretch and the 92 load rating.

The car was very controllable when they went, but I pulled over right away and had the pleasure of changing a tire on the freeway with cars screaming by twice.

Just my experience, it's your car/life, do what you want

[administerturbo]

It has a horrible 62/48% distribution which makes it front heavy.

Eh, that literally doesn't add up...

[administerturbo]

Don't sweat it. The XL (96Y) rides very well. I've driven some harsh XL tires before, this is not one of them.

[jokingjimmy]

Eh, that literally doesn't add up...

Heck yah man out ads up ! His car weighs 110% total. Duh. <snicker snicker>

[fitzydude]

I've been running 92Y, that's what my car had on it. The conti DW's were a pound or two lighter in 92Y form.

[Transcend]

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