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    Audi S5 dual-pulley GIAC/Chipwerke Pro 1/4mile results

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    Hi all,

    Figured I would eventually post in here because it's S5 related (I have been posting my results in the S4 section) since it's been a month after testing my set-up and it's integrated so well in terms of refinement and speed that I'd share my experience

    I have been experimenting with a stacked tune for the past month ever since I went with a dual-pulley setup. For those of you who are not aware of what this is, it's simply running an overdrive pulley along with the normal 3.0t stage II undersized pulley; the s/c pulley increases boost approximately 2-3psi, the o/d crank pulley increases it approximately another 2-3psi. the reason I stacked my tune is because the standard GIAC stage 2 file doesn't support the extra boost that is being produced, and simply end's up bleeding up to 19.75% at wide-open throttle in the mid-range on some of my logs, while recovering and keeps it shut the majority of the way after 5,200rpm and gradually opening up to 6% starting at 6,500rpm to redline. What does this mean? the extra boost provided is only useful after 5,200rpm, below that it's make the producing the same amount as a normal GIAC stage II car.

    To fix that, I had one of two options: 1) simply switch tuning company that does support a dual-pulley set-up , or 2) add a piggyback box to manipulate the manifold pressure sensors to keep the bypass shut at wide-open throttle. Although I knew it would be risky with option #2, I decided to proceed and log specific tables using VCDS for engine health. Why you may ask? The GIAC file has many qualities that I like: it's a proven tune that was tested with continued improvements that resulted in "v.2" software, the ECU/TCU communicates quite well with each other and has never given me hiccups where additional revisions are no longer needed to replace the v.2 software, and I also hold the #2 spot for 3.0t 1/4mile time as a single-pulley only setup ([email protected]), the #1 spot goes to another GIAC stage II car that ran [email protected], while the two quicker on the list are dual-pulley set-ups running [email protected], while the other one ran [email protected]).

    As is, here are my current mods:
    GIAC stage II v.2 ECU (race map)
    GIAC DSG TCU
    Chipwerke Pro (4-1 setting)
    AWE-tuning pulley
    JHM overdrive crank pulley
    034Motorsports silicon throttle body boot
    AFE filter
    2.5" drilled hole in factory airbox
    Exhaust x-pipe mod

    Tires: 255/35/19 Michelin Pilot Super Sports
    Wheels: OEM 19" rotor wheels
    Fuel: 1/2 tank 93/e85 mixture (37.7% mixture)
    Full weight including spare/jack
    Dragstrip: Bradenton Motorsports located in Bradenton Florida

    Here is my current quickest time (662ft Density Altitude), which happens to currently be the #1 spot for our stock Eaton TVS1320 blower:

    R/T .266
    60' 1.610
    330' 4.659
    1/8 7.210
    MPH 97.19

    1000' 9.396
    1/4 11.240
    MPH 122.44


    Here are my time slips that are #1, #2, #3 spots on the 1/4mile record list:


    Here is my time slip from another day in 1298ft. density altitude that would hold the #4 spot on the 1/4mile list:


    Here are my time slips from another day in 1337ft. density altitude that would hold the #5, #6, #7 spots on the 1/4mile list:


    The #3 spot was the only run where launch control was used. I will say that there is room for improvements when looking at my logs in terms of intake air temps are concern which affected the car in being able to hold ignition timing once they reach higher temps in 3rd and 4th gears. Relief is on the way as I am having my AWE Coldfront system installed along with an upgraded AWE s/c coolant pump to reduce and maintain lower intake air temps by 15-20celcius (27-36F) by the end a gears 1-4 run in the VCDS logs as others have shown me so that I can possible reach 27-28 degrees of peak ignition timing in those gears. I know it's possible because when I do a single gear log in 3rd or 4th gears (or start in 3rd gear and into 4th gear), I can hit those timing marks. However when I run through gears 1-4, I can only hit that in 1st and 2nd gears, with 3rd gear falling to 23-24 degrees of ignition advance, and 21 in 4th gear. Additionally, once I can see density altitudes closer to 0 feet or below, times should improve when fall/winter season arrives. I'll be doing on-going improvements with different cooling techniques that will hopefully result in better times.

    My goal by the end of the year is to at least hit 11.0x with full weight and street tires, which is .15 seconds away
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    Current: BMW F82 M4cs, Audi TT RS APR E85 Stage 1 "+" ecu/tcu: [email protected] (Panel filter | 4" turbo inlet | intercooler | stock exhaust, suspension, 18" Neuspeed wheel/tires, | full weight).

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    Veteran Member Three Rings AbeViator's Avatar
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    Sounds like a pretty aggressive setup on the S5, congrats on the 1/4

    You'll have to post on the reliability of a dual pulley tuned setup as you continue to mod. I'm sure there's plenty of folks on here who'd want to try this. Good luck!
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    Wow. Would be interesting to see what you would do with some good wheels and tires.
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    Thanks guys! More to come with improve cooling methods I plan on using and possibly more boost through a bigger overdrive pulley that will give an additional 1.5-2 psi over my current set-up. My AWE-TUNING Coldfront system with upgraded pump is here and waiting to be installed, which will eliminate high IAT concerns over the long run to maintain those ignition timing targets on a 1-4 gear run.

    Here is a picture of how I routed my Chipwerke Pro wires (shown in red arrows). I ran each wire near the fuel rail, then underneath the rear engine cover. It comes out the rear of it and goes to the box which is routed behind the firewall to keep it outside the engine bay. It's hard to detect at a quick glance unless you know what you are looking for.

    Last edited by Loe; 04-29-2016 at 05:15 PM.
    Loe P - Forum Moderator, Audizine
    Sold: ('14 Audi S5 S-tronic: [email protected] (127.36mph highest trap)| +424 ft. D/A | 3.371 PR | full-weight/street tires).
    Current: BMW F82 M4cs, Audi TT RS APR E85 Stage 1 "+" ecu/tcu: [email protected] (Panel filter | 4" turbo inlet | intercooler | stock exhaust, suspension, 18" Neuspeed wheel/tires, | full weight).

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    Senior Member Three Rings Powderhound's Avatar
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    Been following this build for a while on the s4 section and happy to see it here as well. Most impressed by the creative approach you took to piggyback rather than switch software. Looks like you are paying close attention to details and much appreciate your sharing the results here on AZ. Will continue checking back and looking forward to your 11.0x run!
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    Wow, impressive! Makes me want to start modding my S4. I've been contemplating an APR tune/intake/exhaust to see where that gets me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rshane View Post
    Wow, impressive! Makes me want to start modding my S4. I've been contemplating an APR tune/intake/exhaust to see where that gets me.
    It'll get you far versus stock. The next level beyond that would be a dual-pulley.
    Loe P - Forum Moderator, Audizine
    Sold: ('14 Audi S5 S-tronic: [email protected] (127.36mph highest trap)| +424 ft. D/A | 3.371 PR | full-weight/street tires).
    Current: BMW F82 M4cs, Audi TT RS APR E85 Stage 1 "+" ecu/tcu: [email protected] (Panel filter | 4" turbo inlet | intercooler | stock exhaust, suspension, 18" Neuspeed wheel/tires, | full weight).

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    Wow that car is flying! Any drive ability issues?

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    Wow...I have been watching the B8 platform from the very beginning.

    It took forever for someone to crack 12.0...now +120mph and approaching 10.x! Congrats

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaGomes92 View Post
    Wow that car is flying! Any drive ability issues?
    None at all, feels like a much quicker oem car in terms of refinement and drivability with more S/C whine from the 034motorsports silicone intake tube.
    Loe P - Forum Moderator, Audizine
    Sold: ('14 Audi S5 S-tronic: [email protected] (127.36mph highest trap)| +424 ft. D/A | 3.371 PR | full-weight/street tires).
    Current: BMW F82 M4cs, Audi TT RS APR E85 Stage 1 "+" ecu/tcu: [email protected] (Panel filter | 4" turbo inlet | intercooler | stock exhaust, suspension, 18" Neuspeed wheel/tires, | full weight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loe View Post
    None at all, feels like a much quicker oem car in terms of refinement and drivability with more S/C whine from the 034motorsports silicone intake tube.
    I have been running dual pulley for 4 months now. Would you suggest making this move for a Daily driver?
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    Anyone know if Giac is working on the dual pulley tune to avoid the piggyback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b6a4 View Post
    Anyone know if Giac is working on the dual pulley tune to avoid the piggyback?
    yes check the S4 forum its been available and Loe has since ran 10 seconds with it
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