B8.5 CPO, just hit 60k miles, should I flash or wait.. ?

[waxxonMTL]

Hey guys,

I know the question seems redondant, but if you read a bit more, you might understand which kind of discussion I would like to have. I bought my car 6 month ago with about 55k miles so the original 4yr warranty was done. I got the car CPOed, but now i kinda have the urge for more power ( I used to have a 600whp AWD car.. lol). I'm interesting in the stg 2 for the down low power, but i'm also pretty interesting in the dual pulley tune lol

1) Tuner-wise

Should I wait to see if APR will ever fix their TCU tune ? Should I wait till 034/JHM come up with a tune ? or should I wait because GIAC/APR might be working on a dual pulley tune ? Should I wait to see how reliable are the dual pulley tune ?

2) Warranty/ reliability-wise

Maybe I should wait 5-10k miles more and see if all the problems my car could possibly have will pop out right after the magical 60k miles mark and then get it tune ?

From my understanding, i've barely seen any S/C or motor died after a tune ( beside a few revo tune back then..), so the real problem is the tranny being covered under warranty, but I'm curious to know how many have GEN 3 (2013+) tranny gone bad ( tuned or not) with NO LAUNCH/TRACK, just spirited driving and highway pull, I bet the stress load is a lot less than the one who track ( lapping or drag launching) and I shouldn't worry too much about it..

Finally, some like to say ; i rather have 20% of chances of being covered for a repair than none if i wait till my cpo warranty is done.

Let dicuss ! :)

[DigitalB85]

If you want dual pulley got with EPL because the have a dedicated tune for that. Plus you can flash at home back to stock if you need to.

Personally I have GIAC stage 2. Will go dual pulley soon.

I flashed at 5k mi and now at 45k.

[mrmomo313]

I don't see the need to wait if you are truly interested in having a tune done on the car. 5-10k miles more wasted that you could be tuned! That's how I see it.

APR's dsg tune does not need any fixing... They seem to have it pretty dialed in now. Seeing andthen's car shift sealed the deal for me. My car is actually at the shop right now getting the TCU flashed along with some maintenance getting done... Should have it back for a test and tune on saturday hopefully.

I've gotten mixed responses on JHM's tune. I've heard that they are developing something and also that they aren't. Both responses came from reliable sources so I'm not sure... Doesn't seem like it's coming to the market soon or they're just good at keeping things quiet. I know that if and when they do, it'll blow APR/GIAC out the water in typical JHM fashion.

May be worth the wait for 034 but APR and GIAC have great tunes available. I think 034 will try to break records for sure but it doesn't sound like you're all that concerned with being the fastest out there so I'd just go for APR/GIAC...

Dual pulley is better suited to GIAC's tune out of the box. I would go stage 2 first then consider adding an OD crank pulley once the software is available. If you are down to experiment then slap both pulleys on at once and have at it. There's a decent number of guys doing it now on APR, giac and EPL racking up the miles...

[HeymyAudi]

Why wait??? Tune that thing!!!

[waxxonMTL]

I don't see the need to wait if you are truly interested in having a tune done on the car. 5-10k miles more wasted that you could be tuned! That's how I see it.

APR's dsg tune does not need any fixing... They seem to have it pretty dialed in now. Seeing andthen's car shift sealed the deal for me. My car is actually at the shop right now getting the TCU flashed along with some maintenance getting done... Should have it back for a test and tune on saturday hopefully.

I've gotten mixed responses on JHM's tune. I've heard that they are developing something and also that they aren't. Both responses came from reliable sources so I'm not sure... Doesn't seem like it's coming to the market soon or they're just good at keeping things quiet. I know that if and when they do, it'll blow APR/GIAC out the water in typical JHM fashion.

May be worth the wait for 034 but APR and GIAC have great tunes available. I think 034 will try to break records for sure but it doesn't sound like you're all that concerned with being the fastest out there so I'd just go for APR/GIAC...

Dual pulley is better suited to GIAC's tune out of the box. I would go stage 2 first then consider adding an OD crank pulley once the software is available. If you are down to experiment then slap both pulleys on at once and have at it. There's a decent number of guys doing it now on APR, giac and EPL racking up the miles...

I don't know much about APR dsg tune to be honest, just know about this 4-5 pages long about APR and the folk at APR saying in december, something is coming.. heck 5 month later, still no news lol. I don't know if this issues is only when going to the drag or daily drive too.

I'M interesting in dual pulley tune, but at the moment, the only option is EPL because I don't have access to E85. I don't want to get dual pulley first, I wish to drive at least 6 month or a year on stg 2 before going dual, but i rather choose a tuner that is working on these files so i have the option to upgrade in the future.

[bmoreS4]

EPL, flash to stock file before taking to dealer with a tablet.

Plus, APR is super overpriced.

[SportVier]

I have not heard of anyone having any problems with the DSG, and it should have no problem handling the added torque of a Stage 2 tune. And worse case, if you do blow it up, it shouldn't be too expensive to replace. So that 40k of remaining CPO warranty is really not worth much anyway. Tune it now!

Oh, wait. That's actually all completely wrong. Please ignore. Sorry.

[carlosvjr92]

Personally I'm waiting for the 034 tune. Apparently should be available sometime in the spring so hopefully available within the next month or two...but if not either EPL or GIAC. APR has been a bit slow with fixing the TCU issue and that concerns me

[Sean@APR]

I don't know much about APR dsg tune to be honest, just know about this 4-5 pages long about APR and the folk at APR saying in december, something is coming.. heck 5 month later, still no news lol. I don't know if this issues is only when going to the drag or daily drive too.

That's unrelated to the DSG tune. It's an issue with the ECU flash on certain cars that causes a weird shifting behavior under certain conditions. We're close to releasing a fix, but in the scheme of tuning related issues, it's a small one and not anything worth being overly concerned by.

[Loe]

I don't see the need to wait if you are truly interested in having a tune done on the car. 5-10k miles more wasted that you could be tuned! That's how I see it.

APR's dsg tune does not need any fixing... They seem to have it pretty dialed in now. Seeing andthen's car shift sealed the deal for me. My car is actually at the shop right now getting the TCU flashed along with some maintenance getting done... Should have it back for a test and tune on saturday hopefully.

I've gotten mixed responses on JHM's tune. I've heard that they are developing something and also that they aren't. Both responses came from reliable sources so I'm not sure... Doesn't seem like it's coming to the market soon or they're just good at keeping things quiet. I know that if and when they do, it'll blow APR/GIAC out the water in typical JHM fashion.

May be worth the wait for 034 but APR and GIAC have great tunes available. I think 034 will try to break records for sure but it doesn't sound like you're all that concerned with being the fastest out there so I'd just go for APR/GIAC...

Dual pulley is better suited to GIAC's tune out of the box. I would go stage 2 first then consider adding an OD crank pulley once the software is available. If you are down to experiment then slap both pulleys on at once and have at it. There's a decent number of guys doing it now on APR, giac and EPL racking up the miles...

I'm with you on the 034Motorsports, they came out of the box with record numbers on their stage 1 file that I would love to try out their stage 2/stage 2"+" files when they figure out their dealer network.

[The Fat Kid]

I have not heard of anyone having any problems with the DSG, and it should have no problem handling the added torque of a Stage 2 tune. And worse case, if you do blow it up, it shouldn't be too expensive to replace. So that 40k of remaining CPO warranty is really not worth much anyway. Tune it now!

Oh, wait. That's actually all completely wrong. Please ignore. Sorry.

I was reading your response thinking, "This guy is an idiot..." Well played, Sir.

[Loe]

That's unrelated to the DSG tune. It's an issue with the ECU flash on certain cars that causes a weird shifting behavior under certain conditions. We're close to releasing a fix, but in the scheme of tuning related issues, it's a small one and not anything worth being overly concerned by.

Sean out of curiosity, would a non-stage 3 owner be able to flash to your stage 3 TCU tune if they have a dual-pulley setup?

[bmoreS4]

APR hasn't even figured out program switching yet, why use them?

[waxxonMTL]

I'm with you on the 034Motorsports, they came out of the box with record numbers on their stage 1 file that I would love to try out their stage 2/stage 2"+" files when they figure out their dealer network.

i'm scared that 034 will only come out with st1 or stg 2 later on.. and if it's dealer-only (altought they said flash at home).. the closer dealer is a 2hour drive ( so 4hr back and forth ; screw that)

[Woodybangs]

EPL, flash to stock file before taking to dealer with a tablet.

Plus, APR is super overpriced.

This. I went EPL after a astronomical quote from an ARP dealer. more than twice as much for basically the same thing. Plus no fees to flash back to stock in your own driveway.

[Hofahome]

What is so magical about the 60k mile mark? I say either wait until 100k for CPO warranty to expire or sack up now.

[waxxonMTL]

What is so magical about the 60k mile mark? I say either wait until 100k for CPO warranty to expire or sack up now.

usually it's timing belt change.. idk, for all my previous car, 100k km was the time to do a good maintenance check-up.

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GIAC is out of question. no retailer within 300 kms LOL
Revo seems to be the less popular out of the gang
APR... I dunno... 4k cnd for a stg2 + tcu seems pretty pricey to me. Maybe I could simply buy their TCU tune however and pair it with another tune...

so I'm left with 2-3 tuners ;

Unitronic is the cheapest at 1.6k cnd for a stg 2.
EPL stg 2 is 2.1k cnd, but they force you to buy their cable at 300$cnd so at the end it's a whopping 800$ more than UNI. I honestly like what tony did in the last 6 month, but their pricing is now on par with APR which turn me off a bit, to be honest.
034motorsport ( suppose to come out in may) but dealer only, I'm told and it appears the closer dealer is 200kms away which suck a bit too if you ever need support !


So let's say I go IN and get a tune.. which one would you get givin my situation ? UNI + APR tcu ? (Honestly, I think I would've went with giac but they don't offer any support for canadian)

[Woodybangs]

This. I went EPL after a astronomical quote from an ARP dealer. more than twice as much for basically the same thing. Plus no fees to flash back to stock in your own driveway.

Super happy with EPL. Don't waste your money shoot Tony or Chris a PM and take it into your own hands!

[bmoreS4]

Super happy with EPL. Don't waste your money shoot Tony or Chris a PM and take it into your own hands!

This, also your math is way off, EPL is not the same price as APR.

And EPL has the TCU tune.

[Woodybangs]

This, also your math is way off, EPL is not the same price as APR.

And EPL has the TCU tune.

Truth. My price was less than half what a local dealer quoted for APR. Total rip off.

[waxxonMTL]

This, also your math is way off, EPL is not the same price as APR.

And EPL has the TCU tune.

you are right ;

for a stg 2 ;

UNi ; 1.6
EPL ; 2.4
APR: 3K

I was talking about the tcu tune only.. epl is 599 + a 200$ cable purchase while apr is 799$ no cable needed.

[bmoreS4]

you are right ;

for a stg 2 ;

UNi ; 1.6
EPL ; 2.4
APR: 3K

I was talking about the tcu tune only.. epl is 599 + a 200$ cable purchase while apr is 799$ no cable needed.

Call tony, he will get you a package price.

Also, did APR lower the TCU price? It was 999$ last time I saw.

[mmm def]

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