Ran 11.0@123 in my S6 tonight

[Vol 4.0T]

s6

[playwithonehand]

dayummmmm.u r constantly hitting 1.5 60ft with drag radial

Is this oem or light weight wheel?
Brand and size of drag radial?
Have you done any injector or fuel line upgrade?

i was told E85 works for power, but may corrode your injectors spark plugs and fuel line.


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[pez81]

Ran an [email protected] and [email protected] tonight. Interestingly enough, I ran my slowest time of the night after icing the car down for a good hour. All temps were still within operating range when I made the pass so it's not like the engine was ice cold or anything.

Mods: Tune, E85/93 (E10) mix, and drag radials.

My car is now running essentially the same as APR's Stage 2 car which also ran 11.0. They, however, ran with a density altitude of 0 compared to my runs which were in +1156' DA. I'm happy with running the same numbers as them in much worse DA, plus I didn't need their $2,000 downpipes or $1,000 TCU tune which they ran on the car that went 11.0.

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Really impressive. So you only have a stage 1 with a mix of e85? And you're dead 11s? Your car with stage 2 or 3 should monster it. Fair play you've proved the results. You should let us all know the tuner though that's what forums are for. Sharing.
Has anyone thought about cams on this motor would it be really expensive?

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[pez81]

Or what about the lightweight flywheel upgrade. Some of the S4 B8 guys have seen improvements with this

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[VVG]

Ran an [email protected] and [email protected] tonight. Interestingly enough, I ran my slowest time of the night after icing the car down for a good hour. All temps were still within operating range when I made the pass so it's not like the engine was ice cold or anything.

Mods: Tune, E85/93 (E10) mix, and drag radials.

My car is now running essentially the same as APR's Stage 2 car which also ran 11.0. They, however, ran with a density altitude of 0 compared to my runs which were in +1156' DA. I'm happy with running the same numbers as them in much worse DA, plus I didn't need their $2,000 downpipes or $1,000 TCU tune which they ran on the car that went 11.0.

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TCU tune isn't to make the car faster in the 1/4 mile. It is primarily to allow improved overall low-mid range throttle responsiveness that is better matched to a tuned ECU. It also does things like allow you to go to redline in manual mode. This improves the SUBJECTIVE driving experience. By comparison, the stock TCU programming in wife's S3 is far better. In fact, I would dare say the shift patterns are pretty much perfect.

Or what about the lightweight flywheel upgrade. Some of the S4 B8 guys have seen improvements with this

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Problem with a light weight flywheel is that it spools down just as fast as it spools up. This makes for much choppier daily driving. Remember, these cars are certainly engineered to be fast, but most people do in fact use them for daily transport.

[pez81]

TCU tune isn't to make the car faster in the 1/4 mile. It is to allow improved overall low-mid range throttle responsiveness that is better matched to a tuned ECU. This improves the SUBJECTIVE driving experience. By comparison, the stock TCU programming in wife's S3 is far better. In fact, I would dare say the shift patterns are pretty much perfect.



Problem with a light weight flywheel is that it spools down just as fast as it spools up. This makes for much choppier daily driving. Remember, these cars are certainly engineered to be fast, but most people do in fact use them for daily transport.

Ah! Good point thanks

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[pez81]

They are lightweight wheels; however, the drag radials weigh considerably more than the stock Pirellis, offsetting the majority of the weight savings.

The fuel system is bone stock. I have yet to see any signs of it being maxed out even as if I've slowly increased the total ethanol content of my mixture.

I'm not too worried about corrosion. Several other platforms which weren't designed for ethanol have been using E85 for years and years, some with well over 100K miles and haven't see any long term effects. I'm talking specifically about the R35 GTR platform.



Yep, just the tune. All OEM hardware.

I don't think stage 2 would make an appreciable difference on my car. The power is all in the tune. The factory downpipes are excellent. Solo Motorsports actually lost considerable power up top by going from the stock downpipes to 3" downpipes with no other changes.

I've thought about cams, specifically RS6/7 cams. But like most of the other RS6/7 specific engine differences outside the turbos, the changes seem relatively minor and the results seemingly trivial. Turtlehaste is proving this with his stage 3 S6.



I've thought about it but any potential gains are just not worth the cost of the parts and labor. It's only 8-10lbs lighter than the stock flywheel too. I realize there's the potential for quicker acceleration since it's not just dead weight, but I'd also be concerned of the RPMs dropping too quickly on the LC engaged launch as well as on the shifts.



APR does in fact advertise "Faster acceleration through application specific optimized shift points" for their S6/7 TCU upgrade. For the record, I tried mimicking their "application specific shift points" at the strip yesterday by manually shifting using their shift points and didn't go any quicker or faster.

Maybe other people buy this upgrade for the "driving experience" but to me, if it doesn't make the car any quicker or faster, it's not worth the $1K.


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So it is solo your running?

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[ause0008]

Not to be a dick, but to one decimal as your thread lists you ran 11.1@123... Either way, very impressive

[ecpChris]

So to confirm, this is tune only with a little e85 mix? What tune?

[redrocker55]

Thanks, I should've just made the thread title read 11.063 to avoid any confusion.


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Hey man...congrats on the great times.

If you want to change your thread title just reach out to a moderator...they can get it done.

[CanuckRS]

Hang on here, some people actually believe vol has an s6? Rofl

[Sean@APR]

Impressive times.

drag radials.

My car is now running essentially the same as APR's Stage 2 car which also ran 11.0. They, however, ran with a density altitude of 0 compared to my runs which were in +1156' DA. I'm happy with running the same numbers as them in much worse DA, plus I didn't need their $2,000 downpipes or $1,000 TCU tune which they ran on the car that went 11.0.
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drag radials.

drag radials.

1.55 60'. Put drag radials on our car and it's well into the 10s with the downpipes and the tcu flash.

Not demeaning your accomplishment at all, but 1.55 is a serious 60' and the primary driver of your great time.

[playwithonehand]

So you are saying from 11.2 to 11.0 you didn't do any additional mod?

How do we know if you are not running Rs7 turbo already?

Something doesn't add up consider you ran 11.5/6 stage1, with race file at best 11.4
normally light weight and drag radial -0.2 so assume you had perfect run 11.2 will be absolute best run.
11.0 seems off unless if E85 perform better than race gas.......

[Loe]

So you are saying from 11.2 to 11.0 you didn't do any additional mod?

How do we know if you are not running Rs7 turbo already?

Something doesn't add up consider you ran 11.5/6 stage1, with race file at best 11.4
normally light weight and drag radial -0.2 so assume you had perfect run 11.2 will be absolute best run.
11.0 seems off unless if E85 perform better than race gas.......

DI engines love E85; although we are talking about two different engines, my S5 3.0TFSI performs at best with a 93/E85 mixture (calculated at 97.1 octane) over using straight MS109 (105 octane). Similar situation with my previous BMW with an N54 engine, it loved E85/93 over straight race gas. Many will just look at the overall octane rating of the mixture and feel the octane isn't sufficient, but the cooling benefits of ethanol being ignited in the combustion chambers is hard to calculate.

Great times Vol, I wonder if the two-foot method would work better to land similar 60ft's without having to use drag radials?

[BlueSVT]

Vol's car:



You're clearly all about weight reduction too, I suspect you've done some significant stripping if you're being truthful about the mods and/or recent changes?

[ecpChris]

What tune are you running or is that some mystical secret?

[GTS21]

I don't want my creative research potentially copy catted by those who bash me on here.



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How will the people here survive without this information? You are the foremost authority on all things 4.0T. How will we go on?

[GTS21]

That's an easy one... By continuing to be suckered into making companies like Akrapovic, HRE, etc. filthy rich.

Heck of a "baller" I'd be if I didn't?

[ecpChris]

I half understand not wanting to disclose your drag setup (which is easy enough to figure out) but what is the big secret about who's tune you are running?

[MileMan402]

It's not mystical, I just don't wish to discuss it at this time. Same thing with my drag radial setup. I don't want my creative research potentially copy catted by those who bash me on here.



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So you won't confirm or deny that it's Mikey/Chris?

[S4Per]

I half understand not wanting to disclose your drag setup (which is easy enough to figure out) but what is the big secret about who's tune you are running?

To each their own?

The thought behind forums is that it's a community, and to share things with the community that is of interest to the community and for the purposes of furthering the community as a whole. I've had the privilege of leading several professional communities, and my soapbox speech involves knowledge sharing and the intolerance of knowledge hoarding.


In this instance, while I don't think there are any mature reasons to not share the setup within the community (and I've read the given ones), and I do believe that type of behavior is against the very intent of a community....it is a free country. So, to each their own.


(FWIW: I'm not interested in this specific answer as my passion for performance explorations center around finding the limits of the car while the car is setup as it would be found on the street. That means things like radials and gutting the car are out, and while I love the feel (and results!) of race gas/tunes, I put more weight on the 91/93 octane results since I don't have the bank roll to be cruising around with race gas in the tank 24/7. I'm sure there are many who think about this differently.)

[ecpChris]

To each their own?

The thought behind forums is that it's a community, and to share things with the community that is of interest to the community and for the purposes of furthering the community as a whole. I've had the privilege of leading several professional communities, and my soapbox speech involves knowledge sharing and the intolerance of knowledge hoarding.


In this instance, while I don't think there are any mature reasons to not share the setup within the community (and I've read the given ones), and I do believe that type of behavior is against the very intent of a community....it is a free country. So, to each their own.


(FWIW: I'm not interested in this specific answer as my passion for performance explorations center around finding the limits of the car while the car is setup as it would be found on the street. That means things like radials and gutting the car are out, and while I love the feel (and results!) of race gas/tunes, I put more weight on the 91/93 octane results since I don't have the bank roll to be cruising around with race gas in the tank 24/7. I'm sure there are many who think about this differently.)

I honestly was scratching my head and wondering if I was in the twilight zone (or Honda forum) at the tone of this thread until someone pm'd me with some background. Disregard my previous posts as I didn't realize what I was getting myself in to.

[MileMan402]

If people keep guessing the tuner and I keep saying no, they'll eventually get it right from process of elimination. So I'll just say it could be them or could be APR, GIAC, EPL, Revo, MTM, etc.

Well I had asked if it was them once before, but I don't think you ever answered. I'm not on the forum enough to know if anyone else asked if it was them tuning your car. Again, I'm not on the forum much but it seems like they're one of the few groups that will push custom tunes to the limits and they are always traveling to customers.

[S4Per]

I honestly was scratching my head and wondering if I was in the twilight zone (or Honda forum) at the tone of this thread until someone pm'd me with some background. Disregard my previous posts as I didn't realize what I was getting myself in to.

LOL. Got it ;)
I, too, had thought I had escaped the madness once I sold my RS4 (and left behind the SC'ed RS4 threads ;) ).

[GTS21]

Read my posts and you'll see 99% of it is technical in nature

Yes, that may be true, but these highly technical posts are almost ALWAYS designed to further your ultimate objective of discrediting certain tuners (or members who buy from said tuners).

[MileMan402]

Usually people like to give credit to their tuners when they run the fastest "tune only" time... Oh well.


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[S4Per]

I wasn't speaking directly to you re 'gutted' or radials, etc. I was just taking the opportunity to clarify my motivations / goals / mindset in exploring S6 performance. From everything I've read, I don't get the sense your motivation is identical (seems more focused on 'without further power mods' like upgraded turbo's or DP's). And that's all good.

Drag radials and race gas or E85 are not in my personal book of 'as found on the street', because that's not possible/economical/practical for me here. And that's all good for me.

To each their own :)

First and foremost, how I ran my car at the strip is exactly how I run it on the street.

My car isn't gutted out. All I took out was the jack and spare which most people take out anyway when they go to the track. APR, on the other hand, put in their hotshoe 110lb driver just so they could get a faster time to promote their products on this forum.

I run on an E85/93 octane (E10) mix which are both extremely cheap and available at several pumps near my house. No race gas has been used (yet). The car actually handles better with the drag radials since they're much wider than the stock rubber.

[GTS21]

But when there is concrete proof that a product doesn't show appreciable gains and thus doesn't justify the cost of admission (APR DPs) or actually loses power (AWE CF intake), I am going to speak up and voice my opinion.

Great...how about stopping after the first time?

[TurtleHaste]

Great times on stock turbos. I know e85 helps with cooling quite a bit. Like on my last American car (2010 Corvette ZR1) it made 740 at the tire on e85 pump gas (Texas) conservatively tuned. I like tiny sleeper mods that seem non existent but edge out a measurable benefit. Like applying an aerospace friction coating onto the roots supercharger blades that make for a lower IAT. All invisible and functional. Not too pricey either. Just barely known to most folks and you can apply this tech to any roots blower as far as I know.

I hope to help others if I come across some special s6 / 4.0T related info and hope at least that details are shared back to me so I can get better performance out of my ride as well. Money of course is an object but data and theory truly apply as well. I'm all for people pushing for the most with the least investment if possible. If they have time for it it's certainly a task in and of itself.

I'm hoping to see a stock turbo S6 into the 10s. You're almost there. Did you need to do injector changes? Is fuel supply an issue that needed to be addressed? At higher (RS7 turbo setup) levels would the fuel system support the flow requirements for the e85 mix to reach the power levels currently achievable on race gas?


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[S4Per]

Sigh.

I was 100% genuine in my response; I believe you when you say you only removed the spare. I also understand that by virtue of your other interactions on this forum why you might assume otherwise, and therefore get on the defensive, but that's my truth.

As for the 'no power mods', that was my attempt at summarizing what I've seen posted from you, that's all. Thought you were on a mission to show 'with S6 turbos' and no DP's. I guess I was wrong, and now I know.

The one thing that I wish, based on our direct interactions Vol, is you appreciating a bit more that everyone's situation is different and that therefore their goals and outcomes may be different. What's right for you, might not be right for everyone. And that's all good. You have E85 at the pump, I know I don't have it on any of my regular travels here. You don't get lidar down in Florida - it's dominant up here. You're fine with drag radials on the street, in Seattle with my 3 kids in the car and perpetual rain, I'm not fine with running a tire that's not at maximum performance in those conditions, nor am I interested in replacing my tires more frequently than I already do: for you 'big whoopty doo' - which is fine, for you. For me - not interested. Which is fine, for me.

Things are different for different people, and goals/opinions and realities will vary. That's OK...there's a right answer for everyone, and it's likely not the same answer for everyone.

You and I both know that you were (incorrectly) referring to my S6, so why bullshit?

Despite whatever you may think you know based on what somebody may or may not have told you, it's wrong: I'm all for adding parts that actually add power and aren't a total ripoff. RS7 turbos make more power so I purchased a second hand set from Europe. I got the turbos and inlet pipes for $1500 USD instead of spending $10K on them new as part of a "kit" from NGP. Making cars faster without getting ripped off is how I roll. Like I've said before, it's more fun and more challenging that way.

I would post the video runs which clearly show all factory seats in my S6 as it's going down the strip to prove the car wasn't gutted but then I'd be showing off my wheel and drag radial setup so that won't happen anytime soon.

How is E85 not economical or practical? It's basically a race fuel available at the pump. Sure it burns quicker than gasoline but it's still hard to beat it from a bang for the buck perspective.

What's wrong with running drag radials on the street? They handle better than the stock tires. So maybe they wear out quicker. Big whoopty doo.

[BlueSVT]

Things are different for different people, and goals/opinions and realities will vary. That's OK...there's a right answer for everyone, and it's likely not the same answer for everyone.

This.

Although, many of us have attempted to explain this before. Many times.

[S4Per]

You're just wrong, Vol. Sorry. Have I ever attacked you? No. I've been about the most patient guy here with you.


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[S4Per]

Man...

I have no idea about the PM's you're talking about, and gutting was referenced in this thread, just above, right?

I've been on AZ for I think about 15 years. Look at my posts, ask people in the RS4 forum. I promise you, I'm not here to attack, I don't have a history of that and actually pride myself in not going there.

If you still don't believe me, that's on you, not me. And while I don't prefer you not believing, I guess that'll have to be OK, too.



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[S4Per]

Lol. I'm done. I tried (again) :)

I'm sorry you're completely paranoid and believe that everything revolves around you.


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[BlueSVT]

I was just posting a picture of a gutted VW to be funny... Wondering how else you would hit 11.0 without any mods but a tune. Had no idea it would turn into a conspiracy! Haha

[MileMan402]

I can't believe you're still arguing with me about this?

You were directly quoting Chris when he was wondering why I didn't wish to disclose my wheel/tire setup and tune. Here's what you wrote:

"(FWIW: I'm not interested in this specific answer as my passion for performance explorations center around finding the limits of the car while the car is setup as it would be found on the street. That means things like radials and gutting the car are out, and while I love the feel (and results!) of race gas/tunes, I put more weight on the 91/93 octane results since I don't have the bank roll to be cruising around with race gas in the tank 24/7. I'm sure there are many who think about this differently.)"

You said you weren't interested in the specific answer referring to most likely the wheel/drag radial setup. You then went on to talk about radials and gutting the car out along with race gas. All previous rumors (save for the drag radials) that were previously brought up in this thread about my car, perpetuated by a certain individual via PM. So the drag radials weren't referencing my S6 either right even though this discussion was about my car running 11.0 with drag radials? You just took that out of thin air too but it had nothing to do with my car? Can you not see how you're insulting my intelligence here? Now you're acting like the guys in the APR downpipe and Roc-Euro intake threads and just arguing with me for the sake of arguing.

He also said "race gas". Was that in reference to you too? Because I think everyone here can read the numerous times that you mentioned you're running an e85/93 blend. He was simply listing three common ways to increase speed/quickness of one's car.

Seriously, congrats on running 11.063, but maybe try being a little less vain?

[playwithonehand]

so maybe as loe said on his s5 he ran best with e85 mix which has better result than ms109?

So if thats real it will explains the result

i still dont have the ball to try lol

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[ecpChris]

FYI, if you add e85 to pump gas (which is already e10 unless you filled up at a marina in florida) it doesn't equal e10.

[Vol 4.0T]

Not quite sure I follow. Assuming E85 is indeed 85% ethanol and 93 octane pump fuel is indeed 10% ethanol (even though these numbers can and do vary especially depending upon the time of year), 11.71 gallons of E85 and 8.03 gallons of 93 (E10) results in a total ethanol content of 54.5%, right? That's how I'm calculating it anyway. Even if it's wrong, it's unimportant to me. Data logging certain variables is all that matters to me.

FYI, if you add e85 to pump gas (which is already e10 unless you filled up at a marina in florida) it doesn't equal e10.

[ecpChris]

Before you deleted all of your posts, you said you were running e10. Now you say you are running "e54.5"