APR VS REVO and when?

[andrewaw]

Alright , total newbee to the world of tuning and I know this has been debated planet in the internet but I can't find many recent posts so I'll ask here. Just looking to do stage 1 to have a little more fun. Also, do I need to wait until break in period is over?

C7.5 '16 S7

Thanks!

[sciblades]

This is not 2.0t, I do not know any 4.0t with revo, plenty of 3.0 but certainly no customer numbers to back up any claims for 4.0.

Given the two choices you gave I would go APR but would advise you to look into unitronic.

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[andrewaw]

This is not 2.0t, I do not know any 4.0t with revo, plenty of 3.0 but certainly no customer numbers to back up any claims for 4.0.

Given the two choices you gave I would go APR but would advise you to look into unitronic.

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Thank you! Advice taken and title changed above :-)

[madyspop]

Don't forget GIAC, I have it and absolutely smash the local S6 with his APR tune, from a dig and roll it's no comparison.

[sciblades]

Don't forget GIAC, I have it and absolutely smash the local S6 with his APR tune, from a dig and roll it's no comparison.

That is a video this forum is dying to see

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[madyspop]

That is a video this forum is dying to see

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I'm working on getting video but the owner of the car is the local APR dealer and of course he doesn't want me shitting in his cereal. I do have a video of me launching on his brothers APR Stage 2 B8 S4 that's quite compelling. I literally disappeared into the distance within seconds.

[GameBreaker]

Don't forget GIAC, I have it and absolutely smash the local S6 with his APR tune, from a dig and roll it's no comparison.

Do you know if he's using the latest version and what other mods he has? Never thought about GIAC

[pez81]

Alright , total newbee to the world of tuning and I know this has been debated planet in the internet but I can't find many recent posts so I'll ask here. Just looking to do stage 1 to have a little more fun. Also, do I need to wait until break in period is over?

C7.5 '16 S7

Thanks!

I'll be getting a Revo stage 1 in two weeks anyone in UK fancies a friendly meet. (Can't say pull over here it means wank)

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[F16HTON]

That is a video this forum is dying to see

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Who needs a video? Too much personal risk. Put a Pbox in one car, do some pulls, put a Pbox in the other, do some pulls. Compare the data.

[madyspop]

Do you know if he's using the latest version and what other mods he has? Never thought about GIAC

He's on the latest stage 1 version with the tcu tune and AWE intake. Once he heard my Roc Euro he called and ordered one the same day. His feelings were a bit hurt but a good sport about the beat down.

[jfeger]

Interesting thread. Im looking at a Stage 1 tune also, and obviously APR is what seems to be the "norm" for most of the S6/7 cars. However, as I have read many time, you pick a shop, not a tune. My shop is a dealer for both APR and REVO, and the guys who work there use REVO. For that reason alone, I was looking at REVO, but wonder why nobody else was using it.

[HeelBuff]

Interesting thread. Im looking at a Stage 1 tune also, and obviously APR is what seems to be the "norm" for most of the S6/7 cars. However, as I have read many time, you pick a shop, not a tune. My shop is a dealer for both APR and REVO, and the guys who work there use REVO. For that reason alone, I was looking at REVO, but wonder why nobody else was using it.

It might be because they own the shop and they can fix broken cars for free

[andrewaw]

Interesting thread. Im looking at a Stage 1 tune also, and obviously APR is what seems to be the "norm" for most of the S6/7 cars. However, as I have read many time, you pick a shop, not a tune. My shop is a dealer for both APR and REVO, and the guys who work there use REVO. For that reason alone, I was looking at REVO, but wonder why nobody else was using it.

HI Jaeger- what shop are you using? I contacted peak eurosports about APR and three zero three about REVO. would be interested to chat with you.
PM me if yo are willing to discuss.

[SPONGE]

Interesting thread. Im looking at a Stage 1 tune also, and obviously APR is what seems to be the "norm" for most of the S6/7 cars. However, as I have read many time, you pick a shop, not a tune. My shop is a dealer for both APR and REVO, and the guys who work there use REVO. For that reason alone, I was looking at REVO, but wonder why nobody else was using it.

It's only in this forum. Check the other forums and many other tuners come into play. It's about a comfort level. I have an A6 and did not choose APR nor any forum sponsored tuner. I picked up the similar gains (HP /TQ) from my stage 2 Dyno Tune.

[kouzman]

I am surprised that I don't see more cars with GIAC tunes. They are very reputable in the Porsche world and I have seen some cars running their software. But not Audis and definitely not the 40tt platform...

The only public video I have seen is of the white rs7 spanking an m5 at a half mile event. No 1/4 mile tunes however..

[madyspop]

I am surprised that I don't see more cars with GIAC tunes. They are very reputable in the Porsche world and I have seen some cars running their software. But not Audis and definitely not the 40tt platform...

The only public video I have seen is of the white rs7 spanking an m5 at a half mile event. No 1/4 mile tunes however..

GIAC is no joke on our platform, here's a little clip of a lunch with a stage 2 B8 S4 trying to keep up.

[jfeger]

It might be because they own the shop and they can fix broken cars for free

I assume you mean REVO breaks cars? If so, do you have data to back that up? I definitely would be interested in learning more before I pick a tune.

Thanks.

[jfeger]

HI Jaeger- what shop are you using? I contacted peak eurosports about APR and three zero three about REVO. would be interested to chat with you.
PM me if yo are willing to discuss.

3zero3 is who I talked to. They have an excellent reputation in the Denver area, and not just with Audi. The guys there know what they are doing, and people with cars of all ranges trust them. The Porsche club also does some stuff with them, at least we did when I was active in the club.

Anyway, they are authorized in both REVO and APR, and are glad to sell either. However, knowing a few of the guys outside of a customer/service provider relationship, they tend to lean towards REVO. PM me if you'd like.

PS - I am not sold either way. I have been in an APR tuned S6, and yes, its wicked quick. My gut says you can't go wrong with either...and you really are picking a shop, not the SW.

[HeelBuff]

I assume you mean REVO breaks cars? If so, do you have data to back that up? I definitely would be interested in learning more before I pick a tune.

Thanks.

I was just being a smart ass. It did cross my mind, though. Nothing but love for REVO.

[jfeger]

I was just being a smart ass. It did cross my mind, though. Nothing but love for REVO.

:) Fair enough. It might be interesting for me to be what appears to be the only REVO tune on an S6/S7 :)

[highPSI-S4]

I am surprised that I don't see more cars with GIAC tunes. They are very reputable in the Porsche world and I have seen some cars running their software. But not Audis and definitely not the 40tt platform...

The only public video I have seen is of the white rs7 spanking an m5 at a half mile event. No 1/4 mile tunes however..

GIAC has kinda fallen back, especially in the last few years. The APR vs GIAC vs ETC.. tune has been going on for at least a decade or more. APR is big on marketing as GIAC, not so much. APR was always the conservative off the shelf tune you got if you didn't want a motor blown, if you wanted to raise the bar with a more aggressive off the shelf tune you went GIAC. Reminds me so much of the B5 S4 days.


APR tune was enough to keep me during a test drive. I'd be interested to see a APR vs GIAC for comparison.

[bomb39]

Any Bay Area folks use Griffin Motorwerke in Berkeley?

I think I'm going to go with the for REVO. APR is too far away.

[whiteq]

Im REVO tuned, love it no issues at all

[madyspop]

I have Revo in my B8 and love it, I'm certain it'll be fantastic on the C7 as well.

[pez81]

I have Revo in my B8 and love it, I'm certain it'll be fantastic on the C7 as well.

My car is going in to Revo UK HQ end of the month it will hopefully be going on bruntingthorpe airstrip too if they have time. So any data they pull I'll gladly share. My car is the development car for the latest ECU so hopefully some good numbers. the car is fast anyway stock so anything healthy ill be happy with. Might only get one chance to take it to a drag strip so im not looking to break records. Just see real world on the road performance improvements.

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[HeelBuff]

Did you run at the strip on Thurs night?

No, I was out of town.

[pez81]

Wait, you live in the UK and picked Revo over MRC? WTF? MRC knows these cars inside and out and custom tunes each car on their dyno. I'd definitely go that route if I lived in the UK!

I know MRC are amazing but I have my reasons why.

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[madyspop]

This isn't an apples to apples comparison though since judging by your signature you have a lot more mods than just the tune, although some might argue the intake, exhaust and downpipes do little to nothing.

You also didn't mention which version of the APR software he was running. There was the original "weak sauce" V1, then the slightly better V1.1 and now the Stage 2 software which is about on par with Unitronic's latest tune.

You also didn't mention which maps and octanes you both were running.

Finally, racing someone is only as good as the driver. While the S6 isn't too hard to race, any retard can still mess up. For example, sleeping on the line or on the third honk. Not using launch control. Or racing from a roll and just flooring it in drive on the 3rd honk which results in a huge delay as the kickdown switch takes a second or two to engage and the car to downshift to the lowest gear.

I'm confident that both Unitronic stage 1+ and APR stage 2 software are both considerably more powerful and faster than GIAC with everything else being the same. GIAC themselves ran a really slow ET and MPH at the strip and back to back dyno sheets show GIAC with a much much smaller area under the curve. GIAC is due for a major softeare revision sometime soon...

Actually you're the only one who would argue that the intake, downpipes and exhaust make little to no difference..

He is our local APR dealer running the latest tune in stage 1 form and the TCU tune. Using launch control off the line it was a massacre in my favor and then from a roll at 60 in manual mode starting in 3rd gear it also went in my favor each time. I wouldn't say we were racing just out getting some real world data.

My Audi tech who has done all my work has also driven both cars as well as other APR S6 cars in our area and he agrees my tune is stronger and faster in all areas, that was before I added the intake and downpipes.

There will be a video release soon of a GIAC stage 1 pulling an APR Stage 2, both drivers will chime in to verify what has been done to their cars. Just be patient.

[jfeger]

I'll be getting a Revo stage 1 in two weeks anyone in UK fancies a friendly meet. (Can't say pull over here it means wank)

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Well????? :)

How's the REVO tune on the 4.0TT?

[pez81]

Well????? :)

How's the REVO tune on the 4.0TT?

Don't get it back until end of next week. They're testing it on the c7.5 with the latest ECU.
Don't worry I'll let you know

[Serpent]

I will say that the APR flash back to stock works, least it did on my C7.5 S6.

[audi12345678]

Alright , total newbee to the world of tuning and I know this has been debated planet in the internet but I can't find many recent posts so I'll ask here. Just looking to do stage 1 to have a little more fun. Also, do I need to wait until break in period is over?

C7.5 '16 S7

Thanks!

Revo has usually more aggressive tune and cheaper also, Apr, abt and mtm are asking way too much money for they tune here in Europe.

[Stan77]

I'd go APR or whatever other american company, 'cause Revo engeneered and tested on EUDM cars with european gasoline. You, americans, have different gas then we do. Basically tune of gasoline car is everything about fuel maps, if you catching up what i'm talking about )

I will say that the APR flash back to stock works, least it did on my C7.5 S6.

Revo works aswell

[Chris Morales]

Actually you're the only one who would argue that the intake, downpipes and exhaust make little to no difference..

He is our local APR dealer running the latest tune in stage 1 form and the TCU tune. Using launch control off the line it was a massacre in my favor and then from a roll at 60 in manual mode starting in 3rd gear it also went in my favor each time. I wouldn't say we were racing just out getting some real world data.

My Audi tech who has done all my work has also driven both cars as well as other APR S6 cars in our area and he agrees my tune is stronger and faster in all areas, that was before I added the intake and downpipes.

There will be a video release soon of a GIAC stage 1 pulling an APR Stage 2, both drivers will chime in to verify what has been done to their cars. Just be patient.

Boy I can't wait to hear your quarter times. A massacre! I'm thinking you're running 10.80s at 125+ at least with your pump gas GIAC tuned S6. Can't believe these other clown tuners couldn't figure out how to make real power.

[VVG]

The biggest deciding factor on what tune to go with, IMO, should be based on the available customer support in your area. If you can get GIAC 20 miles away but have to drive 150 miles to your nearest APR dealer then go GIAC, and vice versa.

That being said, all these tunes produce power by manipulating the same variables, so if one is producing more power, it is also pushing the limits of safety to a greater degree. It depends what you are looking for....are you looking to frequently go to the dragstrip for the best times, or are you looking to have a more powerful but reliable daily driver?

I will tell you this. I have had APR tunes on all my Audis going back to 1999, and have had zero problems ever. Nationwide, they also, by far, have the biggest support network. But, I am also one who values a certain amount of reliability and the peace of mind that comes with that. My S6 is my daily driver so I don't need my poor turbos running on the ragged edge screaming bloody murder. Most of the time, I am actually running the 91 octane program with 93 fuel in the tank. When I am in a more spirited mood, my APR mobile lets me switch in like 5 seconds to the full 93 program.

In terms of the subjective driving experience, it is the TCU tune that also makes a world of difference on DSG cars. The stock TCU programming is far too soft. I am not certain why Audi did this, because on my wife's S3, it is perfect. D holds the gears for just a little longer, and S really holds the gears nicely without constantly upshifting. Manual is now manual.

[Chris@EPL]

We are now offering our S6/S7 stage 1 tunes and with our cables you can flash at home. PM or email if you want a great deal on one of the first few flashes.

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[SkyDude]

We are now offering our S6/S7 stage 1 tunes and with our cables you can flash at home. PM or email if you want a great deal on one of the first few flashes.

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Sent a pm :)

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[QuaTTrings]

Do you have an RS7 C7.5 tune? I very much like that you provide the ability to flash at home.

This really is a must today, as most of us have VAGCOMs and tweak our cars anyway, and don't have time to make an appointment at a specific dealer to flash our cars back to stock, every time we need to take our cars to Audi or end up selling our vehicles. This actual functionality has kept me from buying from one of the other tuners. Glad to hear your company is focusing on this very important feature.


QUOTE=Sales@EPL;11595504]We are now offering our S6/S7 stage 1 tunes and with our cables you can flash at home. PM or email if you want a great deal on one of the first few flashes.

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[Chris@EPL]

We are working on the RS7 flash at home tune but it is not ready yet. If anyone is in the Northeast and wants to help and run our Beta RS7 tune please contact us.

[madyspop]

We are working on the RS7 flash at home tune but it is not ready yet. If anyone is in the Northeast and wants to help and run our Beta RS7 tune please contact us.

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