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    Hi all,

    I managed to get to the track at Bradenton Motorsports for their test-n-tune this morning around 10am. Weather conditions were nice, and I started at approx 10:15 am and ran only for a 1 1/2hr or so. Track prep was so-so even though there was an event, I managed to spin my first run ([email protected]), so I decided against using LC.

    Weather conditions: 71F / humidity 28% / pressure 30.16Hg when I started. Track elevation approx. 50 ft. Effective density altitude is 662 feet, and went up to 797 feet by the time I left as temps rose.

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    Wheels/tires: Stock OEM 19" rotor wheels (S5), 255/35/19 PSS set to 39f/38r.

    Fuel: 1/2 tank of my usual 93/E85 mix (approx. 37.7% total ethanol content).

    Weight reduction = none (I forgot to remove my spare tire/jack prior to leaving and I didn't want it sitting at the track unattended)

    I set my Chipwerke Pro to 4-1 (dialed it down from 5-1), which helped my shift issues on the 2-3, but the 3-4 still is not 100% smooth, almost like the transmission pauses before it decides to upshift on each of my runs (it was a symptom prior to installing the CW, so I'm not placing blame on that). My runs in the below pictures are slowest to quickest, here are the results from my quickest run:

    R/T .266
    60' 1.610
    330' 4.659
    1/8 7.210
    MPH 97.19
    1000' 9.396
    1/4 11.240
    MPH 122.44


    The launch for the two quickest times was using a two-foot technique. It's hard to describe, but when you are at the christmas tree, you hit the brake (DSC fully off, dynamic mode, D/S mode on the tranny), and when the lights signal you to go, you stab the gas WOT as you quickly (but not immediately) let off the brake. The results were revs jumping up to 4,500 rpm as the car accelerates, which is different than using Launch Control where the car stands still at 4,500 rpm and then accelerates when you release the brake.

    Some notes:

    -The IAT's on my slowest run in the picture (my last last run, and when I decided to use Launch Control again as I noticed more and more people with drag radials were going and laying down rubber for us street tire people) started at 52C because of long lines and improper cooling prior to that run, and reached 84C (183F!) by the end of my run, which is why the trap and MPH is low compared to my other two runs despite a 60ft time of 1.584 (<---I take back what I said about PSS not having good accelerative grip!). In theory, that run may have landed me 11.0-11.1x@123-124 mph! Darn! I did not log the two quicker runs, however my VDCS was on and the IAT's ranged from 30C - 70C by the end.

    -The 3-4 upshift pause is costing me some time (I've seen my times affected by .05 - .1 seconds on prior drag strip visits)

    As such, I'm happy with the results, and I can't wait until the fall when I have at least some form of S/C cooling to keep IAT's at bay and DA's closer to 300 feet, and maybe run less fuel as well as removing the spare/jack.


    Last edited by Loe; 11-28-2016 at 05:36 AM.
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    wow, ur killing it. is that a new dual pulley record?

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    That's awesome congrats! Stock supercharger record holder on the 3.0T platform!


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    Nice work Loe,a truly amazing run.

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    Super impressive! I love that you're running these times without race gas, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LINDW4LL View Post
    Super impressive! I love that you're running these times without race gas, too!
    I love that too and that he's on stock wheels, rotors and cooling system. Almost knocking on the door of that stripped out stage 3 eurocode car... Congrats Loe!

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    Is the S5 weight the same as the s4 around 4000 lbs? Or is it a little lighter, you know because less doors haha


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    Awesome loe! It's great that you still have some left in it too. Next year when we get that one 50 degree day you'll kill it. Great job
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmomo313 View Post
    I love that too and that he's on stock wheels, rotors and cooling system. Almost knocking on the door of that stripped out stage 3 eurocode car... Congrats Loe!
    Yes! I hope tuners take notice and start to write specific dual pulley files.
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    Absolutely amazing Loe. Keep at it, getting me excited and interested in the platform again :-)
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    Awesome work I knew this potential was there!


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    Congrats, good numbers!
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    Awesome times! Well done.
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    Awesome time, but I don't understand how you are running a tune AND have chipwerke?


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    Thanks all! Lets see who gets to the 10's on a stock S/C'd car this year. I have a feeling that my time will be beaten this spring!

    Quote Originally Posted by LINDW4LL View Post
    Super impressive! I love that you're running these times without race gas, too!
    I wish more tuners would write a specific file for this fuel combination, or at least have some auto-tune based on ethanol content via a sensor (factory E85 vehicles do this already).

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmomo313 View Post
    I love that too and that he's on stock wheels, rotors and cooling system. Almost knocking on the door of that stripped out stage 3 eurocode car... Congrats Loe!
    Thanks man! I'm surprised as well that I'm able to trap that speed with the stock cooling and IAT's approaching 183F near the end of the run. You'd also be surprised that my knock correction value hovered at 0 for the majority of that run. Ethanol content + DI at its best!

    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Awesome loe! It's great that you still have some left in it too. Next year when we get that one 50 degree day you'll kill it. Great job
    Mike
    Dec-March will be the season, it'll be a long summer/fall that's for sure! Hope tuners are able to help you out with the A6!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDozer View Post
    Awesome time, but I don't understand how you are running a tune AND have chipwerke?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDozer View Post
    Awesome time, but I don't understand how you are running a tune AND have chipwerke?


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    Quote Originally Posted by psiaddict85 View Post
    Would like to hear the reasoning as well.
    It's to only control boost bypass to allow a standard stage 2 file to run a dual-pulley set-up in order to see an increase in boost pressure (otherwise it would be bled off and the boost pressure would be equivalent to a stage II car). Specific dual-pulley files are available, but only with EPL at the moment. I didn't want to switch tuning company's (again), so I improvised and logged to make sure the car is happy for the time being until GIAC releases a file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loe View Post
    It's to only control boost bypass to allow a standard stage 2 file to run a dual-pulley set-up in order to see an increase in boost pressure. Specific dual-pulley files are available, but only with EPL at the moment. I didn't want to switch tuning company's (again), so I improvised and logged to make sure the car is happy.
    That's why I'm EPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDozer View Post
    That's why I'm EPL
    Well, get your ass to a track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones2012s4 View Post
    Well, get your ass to a track.
    Haha I will. WOT it's limping into 4th gear so putting in a new HPFP next week. While at it doing the upgrade to run full E85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDozer View Post
    Haha I will. WOT it's limping into 4th gear so putting in a new HPFP next week. While at it doing the upgrade to run full E85.
    Very cool, can't wait to see the results! Good luck to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDozer View Post
    Haha I will. WOT it's limping into 4th gear so putting in a new HPFP next week. While at it doing the upgrade to run full E85.
    These are the times I really want to see:

    Full E85
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    Can't wait, hope you get everything sorted!
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    Awesome times... to the poster above, I believe the S5 is the same curb weight however I've seen some that range 100-200lb heavier.
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    Damn! Nice run
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    Wow in an S5 too.. An S4 might have clipped off another .1 from weight

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    Awesome runs Loe!!

    So if you decided against LC what was your technique? Those are really good 60' times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudBoost View Post
    Awesome runs Loe!!

    So if you decided against LC what was your technique? Those are really good 60' times.
    Read his first post......

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudBoost View Post
    Awesome runs Loe!!

    So if you decided against LC what was your technique? Those are really good 60' times.
    hard to describe, but its a two-foot technique that allows the car to accelerate on the up-swing of the clutch engagement at 4,500rpm. It's like a less violent version of using straight LC, but much better than the stomp-n-go method, and it resulted in those excellent 60ft times; but on my final run using LC I did get my best 60ft time of 1.584.

    On a side note, when I use the two-foot method, it doesn't go towards my LC count according to my VCDS logs
    Last edited by Loe; 04-09-2016 at 02:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loe View Post
    hard to describe, but its a two-foot technique that allows the car to accelerate on the up-swing of the clutch engagement at 4,500rpm. It's like a less violent version of using straight LC, but much better than the stomp-n-go method, and it resulted in those excellent 60ft times; but on my final run using LC I did get my best 60ft time of 1.564.

    On a side note, when I use the two-foot method, it doesn't go towards my LC count according to my VCDS logs
    Technique that Primetime pioneered. Has also netted me a 1.5x 60'! works very good when you get it right.
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    Technique that Primetime pioneered. Has also netted me a 1.5x 60'! works very good when you get it right.
    Yes sir! The primetime method!
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    Very good job!!! Gonna have to to try the 2 foot method. Great launch and great time. . 10's are imminent...


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    Quote Originally Posted by derek.kritz View Post
    Very good job!!! Gonna have to to try the 2 foot method. Great launch and great time. . 10's are imminent...


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    We just need more S4/S5 owners on board with the dual-pulley set-ups to make it happen! Jump on board
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    Nice run brotha! Just keep at it and soon you'll click off a 11.1x 😎
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loe View Post
    We just need more S4/S5 owners on board with the dual-pulley set-ups to make it happen! Jump on board
    Oh I am!! Just waiting for mine!!! Both full e85 and 91 octane are ready to go for me. Just need the pulley.

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    Awesome work! I'm hoping we see 10s this year! Props to all the folks like OP taking the time, money, and effort trying to push the envelope for the benefit of all!
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    That's interesting... the pause that you describe from 2nd to 3rd happens on my car as well and I have the Racechip piggyback... I have the SENT or new digital sensors and i have set my racechip module under all levels from 5 to 9 and i still experience that pause...Without the racechip module that hiccup disappears... I have spoken to racechip and they're haven't done anything about it nor provided any suggestions.. they simply just stick to their "don't know, we have never heard of that happening" response.... mmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChobeG View Post
    That's interesting... the pause that you describe from 2nd to 3rd happens on my car as well and I have the Racechip piggyback... I have the SENT or new digital sensors and i have set my racechip module under all levels from 5 to 9 and i still experience that pause...Without the racechip module that hiccup disappears... I have spoken to racechip and they're haven't done anything about it nor provided any suggestions.. they simply just stick to their "don't know, we have never heard of that happening" response.... mmm
    I don't have any experience with the Racechip, I my understanding is that it manipulates more than the manifold pressure sensor correct? Have you tried resetting the ECU after installing it?
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    With OE wheels plus trunk full of tools. Very promising you'll be in the 10s soon, keep it up! Exciting times ahead for dual pulley/E85.

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