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    Upper Control Arms: Adjustable vs Non

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    I am going to be replacing my upper control arms when my car goes in for her 75k maintenance and was curious.. is there value in getting adjustable control arms if i don't have any intention of dropping the car? (or are all upper control arms adjustable and i'm just an idiot)

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    Veteran Member Four Rings FulhamFTW's Avatar
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    If you aren't lowering, then non-adjustable is just fine

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    Stage 2 Banner Advertiser Four Rings ECS Tuning-Audi's Avatar
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    No reason to run adjustable control arms unless you are lowered/plan on lowering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FulhamFTW View Post
    If you aren't lowering, then non-adjustable is just fine
    If I am planning on lowering should I budget for adjustable ones then? Not planning on doing anything drastic. Just trying to get to get a little more flush of a look.

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    I didn't lower it and it replaced with a non one. Report shows one side is off a bit when i did the wheel alignment. Can't adjust more without change it to adjustable one, i was wondering change it or any other options
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    Stage 2 Banner Advertiser Four Rings ECS Tuning-Audi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwild07 View Post
    If I am planning on lowering should I budget for adjustable ones then? Not planning on doing anything drastic. Just trying to get to get a little more flush of a look.
    Unless you don't mind replacing your tires more often due to inner camber wear.

    Other than that you would need to be very particular with tire rotation. Which may require dismounting and remounting tires more occasionally to balance out the additional inner camber wear on the inside tire wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    Unless you don't mind replacing your tires more often due to inner camber wear.

    Other than that you would need to be very particular with tire rotation. Which may require dismounting and remounting tires more occasionally to balance out the additional inner camber wear on the inside tire wall.

    Jason
    Good Stuff. Thanks Jason.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings luvsspeed's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkdolphins View Post
    I didn't lower it and it replaced with a non one. Report shows one side is off a bit when i did the wheel alignment. Can't adjust more without change it to adjustable one, i was wondering change it or any other options
    I just went though the same thing. I did non adjustable on 11/2014 and this January I couldn't get my alignment is spec. I just changed them for adjustable. Honestly I would just save yourself the headache and get the adjustable control arms and be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvsspeed View Post
    I just went though the same thing. I did non adjustable on 11/2014 and this January I couldn't get my alignment is spec. I just changed them for adjustable. Honestly I would just save yourself the headache and get the adjustable control arms and be done.
    bs... unless your REALLY lowered or running bags... there is NOT really a reason to go adjustable.
    that said... (RACECAR) well absolutely run the harshest most adjustable parts you can get.... just find a guy that can actually DO an alignment... remember fellas, a lot of these places have faulty/worn out equipment (catered toward DD cars) or some dumb @zz that dont know how to do anything that is NOT in the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TarlCabot View Post
    bs... unless your REALLY lowered or running bags... there is NOT really a reason to go adjustable.
    that said... (RACECAR) well absolutely run the harshest most adjustable parts you can get.... just find a guy that can actually DO an alignment... remember fellas, a lot of these places have faulty/worn out equipment (catered toward DD cars) or some dumb @zz that dont know how to do anything that is NOT in the book.
    Agreed. There's no reason a competent tech can't get you in spec with regular arms and no lowering. Hell, I'm lowered a bit and the master tech at my dealer was still able to get it damn near perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FulhamFTW View Post
    Agreed. There's no reason a competent tech can't get you in spec with regular arms and no lowering. Hell, I'm lowered a bit and the master tech at my dealer was still able to get it damn near perfect.
    my Left Chamber is -1.4 (spec is -1.2 to 0.4), shop reinstall the arm again and still can't make it to -1.2. Any suggestion? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkdolphins View Post
    my Left Chamber is -1.4 (spec is -1.2 to 0.4), shop reinstall the arm again and still can't make it to -1.2. Any suggestion? Thanks
    Find a new shop....They should be able to adjust the subframe to help get it into spec. It doesn't make sense that they can't get it within spec if you're still at the factory height.

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    Would I need adjustable uppers if I were to use b5 pirch plates on my s4 b7 with standard shocks and springs.

    I need to replace them but don't know if I should get adjustable or standard.


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    Veteran Member Four Rings TarlCabot's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by stu_pot View Post
    Would I need adjustable uppers if I were to use b5 pirch plates on my s4 b7 with standard shocks and springs.

    I need to replace them but don't know if I should get adjustable or standard.


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    i have b5 perches and non-adjustable with no problems... im even running a very wide tire details in sig
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkdolphins View Post
    my Left Chamber is -1.4 (spec is -1.2 to 0.4), shop reinstall the arm again and still can't make it to -1.2. Any suggestion? Thanks
    Leave it. Stop following the book specs. -1.4 is fine, as long as the other side is close to that too.

    I run -1.9 to -2.0 on mine, my CTSV was like that, same with my B5 A4.

    I run less toe than spec as well.
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    Actually setting the camber on these cars is quite difficult. The whole sub frame is losened and then shifted back and forth. It's not the equipment it's just a real pita to do it the right way.

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    I'm gonna go with the 034 oem density ones.
    Need to get my fenders rolled first before I put the pirches on.


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    got these bad boys for sale:



    just bought a brand new rebuild kit for them. already put on the heim joints, just need to have the new bushings pressed in and they're pretty much a brand new set.....just $120 cheaper

    $315 shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCsniper View Post
    got these bad boys for sale:



    just bought a brand new rebuild kit for them. already put on the heim joints, just need to have the new bushings pressed in and they're pretty much a brand new set.....just $120 cheaper

    $315 shipped
    Where did you get the rebuild kit from. I didnt know you could get an upper arm rebuild kit?
    Would worn control arms add to vibration? I have some around 120/130 kmh

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    Veteran Member Four Rings BCsniper's Avatar
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    034 adjustable arms are rebuildable. Go to their site and find the kit for $95. The arms themselves should last forever, it just the bushings and joints you need to replace every so often

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    Okay, so our stock arms are not rebuildable, just replaceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrenOman View Post
    Okay, so our stock arms are not rebuildable, just replaceable.

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    You can replace the bushings but once the ball joint goes bad the arm is junk.

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