2012 A4 6 spd black edition

[B Dot]

I came across a 2012 A4 on autotrader that's a black edition. Is this just an appearance package to make it look like an S4? Or does it come with any upgraded goodies i.e. Suspension or LSD.. I searched the forum and Google but haven't found any specific info about it. Thanks in advance

[Smellie]

I'm assuming its black optics, and basically visuals only

[macscac]

i think in 2012 it was called "titanium package"
its all cosmetic. black window trim, black front grill edging and black (gray) wheels.

[Shimmy]

i think in 2012 it was called "titanium package"
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nope that was 2011 only

[macscac]

then it would have been part of the s-line plus package which might have had a pretty cool seat if memory serves me..

[Project Quattro]

Do you have a link to check out? You could get the black optics package on standard and S-line cars... True S-line would include the sports package including suspension and sway bars.

The black optics package itself has the rotor wheels, black grille, and black window trim. Definitely desirable.


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[B Dot]

http://www.atlantausedcarsmarietta.c...811d259d66.htm

Here is a link to the A4. The dealer seems to have mixed reviews, but I plan on calling them to see what's up.

[Project Quattro]

http://www.atlantausedcarsmarietta.c...811d259d66.htm

Here is a link to the A4. The dealer seems to have mixed reviews, but I plan on calling them to see what's up.

Black Optics, full S-Line, 6MT with Nav. If the Carfax checks out, buy it.

[JeriQo]

i want that grill. would be a nice upgrade from my gray ones.

[pierreb]

Will need pistons, chain tensioner and probably a turbo. I wouldn't touch it unless all 3 of these things have been done with documentation.

[Project Quattro]

Will need pistons, chain tensioner and probably a turbo. I wouldn't touch it unless all 3 of these things have been done with documentation.

2012 shouldn't need pistons or a turbo. Tensioner shouldn't be needed until 100k miles, and then only as a precaution.

[ToddBrunswick]

Black Optics, full S-Line, 6MT with Nav. If the Carfax checks out, buy it.

^ This. Go check it out and get on that asap.

[pierreb]

2012 shouldn't need pistons or a turbo. Tensioner shouldn't be needed until 100k miles, and then only as a precaution.

Only b8.5 engines "shouldn't" need those things. Some 2012 have the old tensioner, some have the new. Turbo waste gate rod connection affects 2012. Piston rings can't be trusted until b8.5.

[Project Quattro]

Only b8.5 engines "shouldn't" need those things. Some 2012 have the old tensioner, some have the new. Turbo waste gate rod connection affects 2012. Piston rings can't be trusted until b8.5.

Having owned a 2009 and now this 2013, and written the buyer's guide for these cars, as far as I know the wastegate issue was resolved on 2010-up cars. Oil consumption is extremely uncommon on 2012s as well. Even if it is consuming oil, this car (if kept stock) would still be under the extended 7 year/70k oil consumption coverage which Audi has been providing. I've never seen tensioner issues before the 100k mileage ballpark either.

[Lambda13]

Is it me or does the price seem high for a car with 50,000 miles on it?

[bakedziti]

Is it me or does the price seem high for a car with 50,000 miles on it?

Agreed, that was my first thought. The car looks good though.

[pierreb]

Having owned a 2009 and now this 2013, and written the buyer's guide for these cars, as far as I know the wastegate issue was resolved on 2010-up cars. Oil consumption is extremely uncommon on 2012s as well. Even if it is consuming oil, this car (if kept stock) would still be under the extended 7 year/70k oil consumption coverage which Audi has been providing. I've never seen tensioner issues before the 100k mileage ballpark either.

I have 2 b8s currently and have owned a 3rd. This isn't a dick measuring contest but a forum for friendly advice from random strangers on the Internet. Ain't gonna be my car but if it was that's what I would expect and demand. I trust my dealer techs and my indie mechanic on these topics as well as my own ownership experience.

I would also want to clarify that what I'm saying is I'd want those things fixed before I buy the car, not that they're likely to fail now or 10k miles from now.

If the tensioner is the original design but hasn't failed yet, I'd still want the seller to pay to have it replaced. Same with the wastegate. Same with the pistons. Prove those things are not a concern and I'm good.

Still the price is lmao.

[ToddBrunswick]

Is it me or does the price seem high for a car with 50,000 miles on it?

When has anybody in this forum thought rationally regarding spending money on cars?

Plus, it's not our money, so he should definitely buy it.

[ryanhmusic]

http://www.atlantausedcarsmarietta.c...811d259d66.htm

Here is a link to the A4. The dealer seems to have mixed reviews, but I plan on calling them to see what's up.

You can get a B8 S4 for similar pricing. I'd pass -- that's way too much money for that many miles.

[Lambda13]

I have 2 b8s currently and have owned a 3rd. This isn't a dick measuring contest but a forum for friendly advice from random strangers on the Internet. Ain't gonna be my car but if it was that's what I would expect and demand. I trust my dealer techs and my indie mechanic on these topics as well as my own ownership experience.

Friendly advice should only include factual information. Most of what you said isn't true based on everything I know and have been told, so that's why he called you out on it. The only part that could be problematic is the tensioner but what the techs at my dealership told me is that the failure is usually caused by oil not reaching the tensioner when you don't maintain the proper level of oil due to the consumption issues.

[pierreb]

Friendly advice should only include factual information. Most of what you said isn't true so that's why he called you out on it. The only part that could be problematic is the tensioner but what the techs at my dealership told me is that the failure is usually caused by oil not reaching the tensioner when you don't maintain the proper level of oil due to the consumption issues.

Your techs are wrong or you misunderstood. Tensioner failure has absolutely nothing to do with oil consumption but is actually a design flaw. Audi added a spring to the new part to resolve freezing due to possible lack of lubrication even with an engine that has proper piston rings.

The rest I stand by fully.

No worries if we disagree, take care.

[Lambda13]

Your techs are wrong or you misunderstood. Tensioner failure has absolutely nothing to do with oil consumption but is actually a design flaw. Audi added a spring to the new part to resolve freezing due to possible lack of lubrication even with an engine that has proper piston rings.

The rest I stand by fully.

No worries if we disagree, take care.

If my dealership is wrong I'll call a different one. We are relatively close by geographically speaking. Which dealership did you talk to? I had my oil consumption corrected at about 65,000 miles (full stage 2, new pistons and rings) and if the dealership should have replaced the tensioner at the same time and did not I would like that information to present to AOA to get mine replaced before it could potentially fail.

I didn't misunderstand what they said, that's almost word for word what I was told. They said that if the tensioner doesn't get enough oil it can freeze. They also said a common reason why it wouldn't get enough oil is due to not having enough oil in the engine. One can deduce that not having enough oil in the engine could be a direct result of the engine consuming oil due to bad pistons and rings. The oil consumption issues were resolved by 2011 and completely gone by 2012.

The turbo waste gate issues may be valid, I thought the warranty extension was only through 2011. My mistake.

[pierreb]

If my dealership is wrong I'll call a different one. We are relatively close by geographically speaking. Which dealership did you talk to? I had my oil consumption corrected at about 65,000 miles (full stage 2, new pistons and rings) and if the dealership should have replaced the tensioner at the same time and did not I would like that information to present to AOA to get mine replaced before it could potentially fail.

I didn't misunderstand what they said, that's almost word for word what I was told. They said that if the tensioner doesn't get enough oil it can freeze. They also said a common reason why it wouldn't get enough oil is due to not having enough oil in the engine. One can deduce that not having enough oil in the engine could be a direct result of the engine consuming oil due to bad pistons and rings. The oil consumption issues were resolved by 2011 and completely gone by 2012.

The turbo waste gate issues may be valid, I thought the warranty extension was only through 2011. My mistake.

The tensioner failure can happen at any time due to lack of lubrication. It doesn't matter whatsoever if your car is burning oil or not due to bad rings. It doesn't matter how many miles are on your car.

Had I known about it then, I would've had them replace it when they pulled the engine out of my wife's car when they did the piston rings. But I didn't and my dealer didn't volunteer the info, so now I have a ticking timebomb in there that'll cost $1000 at an indie to prevent. I did fix it in my 2010 A4 last summer when I did the pistons at my indie. Car had 120k on it at the time and the tensioner was frozen in the extended position. I was lucky-ish. Ended up replacing the head just last month anyway.

Happy to talk to you more about this stuff over PMs if you like. I know way more about it than I want to, believe me.

[Lambda13]

The tensioner failure can happen at any time due to lack of lubrication. It doesn't matter whatsoever if your car is burning oil or not due to bad rings. It doesn't matter how many miles are on your car.

Had I known about it then, I would've had them replace it when they pulled the engine out of my wife's car when they did the piston rings. But I didn't and my dealer didn't volunteer the info, so now I have a ticking timebomb in there that'll cost $1000 at an indie to prevent. I did fix it in my 2010 A4 last summer when I did the pistons at my indie. Car had 120k on it at the time and the tensioner was frozen in the extended position. I was lucky-ish. Ended up replacing the head just last month anyway.

Happy to talk to you more about this stuff over PMs if you like. I know way more about it than I want to, believe me.

I'll take you up on that offer, more information is never a bad thing.

[B Dot]

I almost pulled the trigger on a B8 S4 a couple months back but it was out of state and it sold before I could get out to it. I've been looking periodically for a B8/.5 A4 or even S4. The price did seem high to me, given that's S4 terroritory, but I also figured it had to be a rare A4 because I can only find another non manual on autotrader. Does the rarity of package warrant a price above 20k? I guess it's up to me to really decide lol. I do appreciate the feedback. I doubt the dealer will pay to have the Pistons or tensioner replaced but I'll see if they can work on the price.

[goreckless]

black optics, full s-line, 6mt with nav. If the carfax checks out, buy it.

ZOMG A TRUE S-LINE OMGGGG

*edit for all caps

[svt]

This car has the "S-Line Plus" package, which includes the wheels, seats, aluminium inlays, black headliner, and the black optics package.

That's what my window sticker says for my 2012, and it appears I have the same options. I've also experienced zero oil issues.

Great car. Go buy it.

[pierreb]

Zero oil issues is awesome, but MY2012 is no guarantee. Better check with dealer on VIN and confirm if it's been in prior and also how long it's covered for.

6MT B8s are very rare indeed.

[Project Quattro]

I almost pulled the trigger on a B8 S4 a couple months back but it was out of state and it sold before I could get out to it. I've been looking periodically for a B8/.5 A4 or even S4. The price did seem high to me, given that's S4 terroritory, but I also figured it had to be a rare A4 because I can only find another non manual on autotrader. Does the rarity of package warrant a price above 20k? I guess it's up to me to really decide lol. I do appreciate the feedback. I doubt the dealer will pay to have the Pistons or tensioner replaced but I'll see if they can work on the price.

Ultimately it is up to you, but personally I don't think that price is a bad place to begin negotiations if maintenance records and Carfax check out, as others have noted. Between 5-7% of B8/.5 A4s are manual, some small percentage of those (anecdotally I'd say 20%) have the sports package, and some small percentage of that (maybe 20% again) also have full S-line. Nav is also uncommon by itself. You won't run across another one in that configuration for a while, but if it isn't the right car or the records don't support a buy decision, you can find others.

[B Dot]

The dealer will not budge a penny on their asking price, which is somewhat lower on autotrader. It's a 1 owner with a 45k mile service on the carfax. I'm going to ponder it. I've always been attracted to the B8 body style. I had a B6 USP for a couple years and loved it. Would love to get back into an Audi in the near future..

[kiw1]

Nice. I recently paid 26 for my 2012 avant so thats a good price.

[sidkneeeeee]

I would get it, i have 2010 black 6MT P+, No Nav, No Sports pkg, 17in rims initially. Like the perfect B8 A4 since its 2012 with those 19" rotors wheels + its black optics black exterior/interior, and S-LINE!

[Project Quattro]

The dealer will not budge a penny on their asking price, which is somewhat lower on autotrader. It's a 1 owner with a 45k mile service on the carfax. I'm going to ponder it. I've always been attracted to the B8 body style. I had a B6 USP for a couple years and loved it. Would love to get back into an Audi in the near future..

If I were in the market for a non-CPO B8, I would buy that (pending the checks mentioned before), but I think I already made that point. Lol. It isn't a combo which shows up often.

[tb330]

If its in good shape with service records, Id say it's a decent deal. I bought mine for $22600 and it needed the front and rear bumpers repainted (well I wanted them painted because I don't like imperfections). There was only one other one for sale within 500 miles of me when I was looking that was under $25k, but that's also in NY so were quite a ways apart.

[macscac]

if it is the right car, pay the money.
you wont find many manual trans cars equipped exactly like you want out there. this car looks relatively clean.
in the greater scheme of things, dont let a couple thousand keep you from having the right car