Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

[DannyDeez]

I would normally think this is chatterbox material, but all of the modifications happen here.

Not sure if this has been posted before but it really helps clear up what the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is all about. I hear people post about it all the time but never fully understood it. Talk of automatically flagging TD1 starts at about 12:30.

[zcspec]

Great find, one of the best 23mins I’ve spent, seriously. I am a medical professional, but love law and the presenting attorney gives some valuable information.

My takeaway, if you want to play, you better be prepared to pay. Period.

[LordMagnet]

Great share. Thanks!

[mr shickadance]

11:00 minutes is all you need to know, the fact that the dealer can go back and say (after identifying) the prior chip you are SOL, then it becomes the legal battle from which is likely not worth it, or at best, a crap shoot.


The TD1 is a method for Audi/vw to track that.

[IceFour]

Unsuprisingly, it's not what you know to be true. It's what you can prove and if you're willing to sink the money in order to prove it. Even then, like the lawyer said, you're going to be presenting it to a jury that may not care (or understand) what you're trying to prove. To everyone else who's not a car enthusiast modified ecm = cause of damage.

[BoostEasy]

Saw this before via Jalopnik link IIRC, it is indeed an informative video.

My favorite part was the point that if you do go to court and jury trial, it's a crapshoot with two sides trying to explain the relevancy of the MM Act as it relates to the car mods made to '12 off the street too stupid to get out of jury duty'.

[SteveYem]

Great find, one of the best 23mins I’ve spent, seriously. I am a medical professional, but love law and the presenting attorney gives some valuable information.

My takeaway, if you want to play, you better be prepared to pay. Period.

Agreed. I guess I'm glad that the video confirmed what I already believed to be true, so that I can just stop thinking about it.

[13jfp]

Excellent video. No tune in my future unless they provide a warranty.

[torinalth]

I got a few more take aways from this... 1 - if they might deny warranty for a part installed, remove the part before taking it in. 2 - The dealer SHOULDN't want to deny your claim, because it is free money for them paid for by the manufacturer. The only question is that I heard rumors that many manufacturers pay out less than book value for the service needed to fix parts and if this is true or not.

1 - go back to stock before bringing it in
2 - you are not guaranteed money, the manufacturer is (assuming its not blatant abuse)
3 - be prepared to pay just in case all else goes wrong.

[MrFunk]

Been driving modded cars for 15 years now. Nothing's changed... Pay to play...
Choose a tuner friendly dealership. Choose reputable companies to buy parts and tunes from that do their R&D and go have fun.

[s4buckeye]

lol, you better be prepared to spend $50k in legal fees on a $50k car. with fees not being recoverable unless you win on a MM claim, good luck.


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[MrFunk]

lol, you better be prepared to spend $50k in legal fees on a $50k car. with fees not being recoverable unless you win on a MM claim, good luck.

...which sums up the content of the vid...

[Usa]

"Pay to play"
"Flash to stock before bringing it in"

Two most valuable statements to know if you are considering tuning your car.

[s4buckeye]

...which sums up the content of the vid...

exactly


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[DannyDeez]

Great find, one of the best 23mins I’ve spent, seriously. I am a medical professional, but love law and the presenting attorney gives some valuable information.

My takeaway, if you want to play, you better be prepared to pay. Period.

Great share. Thanks!

Welcome! I agree, its one of the best vids I've seen in a long time. Very informative. I always hear about this act and it always sounded like it would work in our favor. I never really believed it tho and hearing that from a lawyer just confirms it. Its definitely not worth taking a dealer to court, since you'll most likely lose, or spend more than the repair cost in court fees.

[USAFS4]

Sticky! Sticky! Sticky! Sticky! Sticky!.......

[DannyDeez]

Sticky! Sticky! Sticky! Sticky! Sticky!.......

Haha sticky would be great! Maybe if enough people get educated on the subject there will be less incorrect info given out on this.

[Oloung1]

Welcome! I agree, its one of the best vids I've seen in a long time. Very informative. I always hear about this act and it always sounded like it would work in our favor. I never really believed it tho and hearing that from a lawyer just confirms it. Its definitely not worth taking a dealer to court, since you'll most likely lose, or spend more than the repair cost in court fees.

great find OP, that's the first time ive seen it as well. definitely worth the time to listen.

one thing ive noticed is that on my purchase agreement were contracts for mandatory meditation plus mandatory arbitration in lieu of filing suit. i read the documents and made the the choice to sign them. im thinking many dealers are doing this as well. whether or not the purchaser really read it or cares is another issue.

[sonic32]

I took VWoA to arbitration for my modded '13 Golf R and won. Bolt ons and tune, arbitrator ruled in my favor


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[DannyDeez]

Just putting this back up top