Antilaser Priority (ALP) install on my 2013 S6 with honeycomb grille

[S4Per]

Hi All,
I finished this some time ago, but just got done putting up the last of my write-up on my site.
4 sensors, HiFi module, complete with cutting into the RS6 honeycomb grille.

Extensive write-up here on my site (in case others want details on how-to).

Setup has been fully tested on the street (against Pro Laser 3) with 100% of all front and rear shots / runs leading to JTG (jam to gun).

Some pics of the final setup:




Note the blue LED near top left in the below. In sight when needed, unobtrusive enough where it's not noticed otherwise.

[S4Per]

Lol...wut?
Try again, man.

Oh, ninja edit by you.

Go get educated on the methods, radarforum.org is a good start.
Both are used (and that's why I have a radar detector, too, as does anyone else who takes it seriously).

[S4Per]

If you had to ask whether all that ALP does is lidar (which you did), then it clearly shows you are not quite up to speed in this area. That's just a fact by virtue of you asking.
Lidar is very common here, as it is in many areas of the country.

Thanks in advance for keeping this thread clean moving forward. It's meant to share info/how-to for others who may want to do this.

[MadAboutCars]

Nice work, Per. You wouldn't even know it was there, unless someone pointed it out.

[brianc21]

Nice install. I saw your write up over there when I was considering the stinger system. Just can't justify it right now.

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[VMRWheels]

awesome! your website is amazing per. love the attention to detail!

[Kevin1]

Great install. Have you been happy with the performance of the ALP?

[denalist]

If you had to ask whether all that ALP does is lidar (which you did), then it clearly shows you are not quite up to speed in this area. That's just a fact by virtue of you asking.
Lidar is very common here, as it is in many areas of the country.

Thanks in advance for keeping this thread clean moving forward. It's meant to share info/how-to for others who may want to do this.

Nice install and Great setup, I have an ALP setup that I have been waiting to install for months. How was it routing through the firewall? I used to run LI but now purchased the ALP and run a V1 in conjunction. I need to do this soon and was looking for any tips and tricks you can provide? How did you secure the heads? Thanks for any insight you can give :)

[tonymission]

Great post S4per! Have you had it tested yet??

Radar detectors don't do anything against laser and laser is becoming more and more prominent for LEO who are strictly into traffic enforcement (highway patrol is almost exclusively laser now).
I really don't see any K-band anymore except blind spot monitoring and Ka band is very rare on the highway, I do see it used by the local boys.
If something is called ANTI LASER PRIORITY, it might be obvious what purpose it serves.
More clueless diversion posts from the guy... what I can see from these responses, these are pretty cringe-worthy.

[agent47]

Do you really think I was asking if all ALP does is laser? The question was:

"All that and it only defeats laser?"

Using common sense, can't you see that was a rhetorical question where I already knew the answer? Definition of a rhetorical question:

"It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect."

Now if somebody wanted to actually ask if all ALP does is laser, they would ask it like this:

"Does ALP jam anything besides laser? How about radar?"

The point I was trying to make is why spend all that money trying to jam laser when it seems like 90% or more of speed enforcement is done with radar? I can't even remember the last time I saw a cop using a laser gun at a speed trap. Maybe things are different in Washington. That's why I asked...

Here is my 0.02- where I live, havent seen a single laser until now. But driving to the places we visit over weekends or to other businesses that I need to deal with, I have seen multiple lasers and yes I have hit by them too, luckily always was in speed limit due to traffic other than the 1 time that I was passing through a tiny town on the highway and got a citation with laser. The point is that we can drive within speed limits and play safe. Most of us on here drive over the posted limits. I agree when you say that tickets can be litigated and of course dismissed a lot of times. But if I get a citation at a place over an hour away from my city, defending it (myself/attorney) wont make a lot of sense considering what you pay to the attorney (or taking time off work) without being 100% sure that the ticket would be thrown out. With laser countermeasures, you get about 3-5s to slow down which is plenty enough. Costs about 1200 bucks but worth it if you have to drive through areas where cops use laser. Tiny towns are a bigger risk due to traffic citations building a good share of their monthly revenues.

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[Brooklyn]

That looks like an incredible amount of work and the end result looks pretty damn good! Well done.

[tonymission]

Sorry had to click view post on your ignored post...
Not really sure that's how the "pot calling the kettle black" saying works or when it's supposed to be used.

It's just me missing where he posted that it was fully tested. Honest oversight, but good job.

[S4Per]

That looks like an incredible amount of work and the end result looks pretty damn good! Well done.

Great install. Have you been happy with the performance of the ALP?

Thanks! I've been hit twice and never pulled over, so I'm happy ;)

awesome! your website is amazing per. love the attention to detail!

Thanks much! The site is there in part for me to remember what the hell I did with the car ;) and hopefully helpful for others who look to do the same things / get general info. It's a lot of fun to keep updated, and a very cheap 'mod' :)

Nice work, Per. You wouldn't even know it was there, unless someone pointed it out.

Thank you, sir! I was afraid of them being super obvious, but it turned out better than I expected.

Nice install. I saw your write up over there when I was considering the stinger system. Just can't justify it right now.

Thanks! The Stinger setup would be awesome, but yeah, too rich for my blood.

Nice install and Great setup, I have an ALP setup that I have been waiting to install for months. How was it routing through the firewall? I used to run LI but now purchased the ALP and run a V1 in conjunction. I need to do this soon and was looking for any tips and tricks you can provide? How did you secure the heads? Thanks for any insight you can give :)

Thanks denalist! Take a look at the link I provided in the original post. It gives all of the details you're asking for. Send me a mail or PM if you still have questions; happy to help however I can.


BTW - take a look here to see what radar and lidar is being used in your neck of the woods.

[denalist]

Thanks! I've been hit twice and never pulled over, so I'm happy ;)


Thanks much! The site is there in part for me to remember what the hell I did with the car ;) and hopefully helpful for others who look to do the same things / get general info. It's a lot of fun to keep updated, and a very cheap 'mod' :)


Thank you, sir! I was afraid of them being super obvious, but it turned out better than I expected.


Thanks! The Stinger setup would be awesome, but yeah, too rich for my blood.



Thanks denalist! Take a look at the link I provided in the original post. It gives all of the details you're asking for. Send me a mail or PM if you still have questions; happy to help however I can.

Sorry about that, I must've missed the link! Thanks!

[q5 dave]

why spend all that money trying to jam laser when it seems like 90% or more of speed enforcement is done with radar?

because he wanted too.


@s4per clean install. looks great!

[S4Per]

Cheers, Dave :)

And yeah, because I wanted to, and because it's used extensively up here in the Seattle area.

[BMcD-RS4]

S4Per - Nice looking installation. Do you have it set to shut off after it jams for a few seconds so as not to alert the cop to the jamming? I think that is a great feature. I see about a 50/50 mix of KA and laser by me.

[tonymission]

S4Per - Nice looking installation. Do you have it set to shut off after it jams for a few seconds so as not to alert the cop to the jamming? I think that is a great feature. I see about a 50/50 mix of KA and laser by me.

I wouldn't do that. Most times you're not going to need nearly that much time to get back down to the PSL and by then you've already drawn more of his suspicion. ALPers have a responsibility to other users and RDforum.org has established a sort of rulebook or etiquette as to not educate LEO or make them think this is something they need to start cracking down on.
I don't have the control thing hooked up anymore as I want a real stealth setup, but you can wire a switch to turn off the jammers (my radar is also on this switch). It's called JTK or jam to kill (rule #1, dont leave the jammers on!)... meaning using a kill switch hooked up to the power on your units and you just hit the switch when you want them to turn off. I have mine installed inside the front console compartment where it's an easy reach. Leaving it on is kind of thumbing your nose at the LEO and I wouldn't want them more eager on the next go around.

[S4Per]

I'm with ya' Tony re trying to stay as stealth as possible / 'following etiquette'.
My setup is having the default enabled where it will automatically kill itself after 4 seconds. On top of that, you can kill it by pressing any of the buttons on the control head (what's shown to the right of the steering wheel). In practice, I usually manually kill it after ~2 seconds / when I'm back to doing the speed limit, or killing it immediately if I'm doing the speed limit already.

[agent47]

I wouldn't do that. Most times you're not going to need nearly that much time to get back down to the PSL and by then you've already drawn more of his suspicion. ALPers have a responsibility to other users and RDforum.org has established a sort of rulebook or etiquette as to not educate LEO or make them think this is something they need to start cracking down on.
I don't have the control thing hooked up anymore as I want a real stealth setup, but you can wire a switch to turn off the jammers (my radar is also on this switch). It's called JTK or jam to kill (rule #1, dont leave the jammers on!)... meaning using a kill switch hooked up to the power on your units and you just hit the switch when you want them to turn off. I have mine installed inside the front console compartment where it's an easy reach. Leaving it on is kind of thumbing your nose at the LEO and I wouldn't want them more eager on the next go around.

But that is what is advised isn't it? I mean as soon as your alp will scramble the leo's laser, he will get an error and hit you again, if he gets an error again, he will come after you for sure. At least thats what one of my leo patient told me. Jam once, slow down while you turn the jammer off so when he hits you again, he will get your speed (and you should be within the psl by then).

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[tonymission]

But that is what is advised isn't it? I mean as soon as your alp will scramble the leo's laser, he will get an error and hit you again, if he gets an error again, he will come after you for sure. At least thats what one of my leo patient told me. Jam once, slow down while you turn the jammer off so when he hits you again, he will get your speed (and you should be within the psl by then).

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Yes, that's exactly what's advised but you would be amazed with how many "noobs" on that forum telling stories of never shutting it off or never manually overriding their 4 second shutoff as S4per described.

[BMcD-RS4]

OK - we're saying the same thing. It jams just long enough for you to get your speed down then the cop can get a normal laser reading. So as not to raise suspicions.

[tonymission]

OK - we're saying the same thing. It jams just long enough for you to get your speed down then the cop can get a normal laser reading. So as not to raise suspicions.

Yeah. My only point was that usually, that default setting -- if you leave it on auto -- is too long and you have to shut it off before then. :)

[S4Per]

Last I'll respond on this point: I see at least as much, if not more, laser used in the Seattle area vs radar.


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[tonymission]

Last I'll respond on this point: I see at least as much, if not more, laser used in the Seattle area vs radar.


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Which makes perfect sense to a normal person.
Where does he get the whole "majority is radar" crap? I have TWO cops in my town that have K-guns and everyone else is running laser. My RD always gives me at least a mile warning with these guys. Sheriffs running laser. State police running laser.
Yes, it defeats only laser, that's the point. Most LEO is replacing old radar guns with new Lidar (DragonEye, PL3, Laser cameras, red light cameras, etc.). There's a lot of laser out there. LOL
It's especially cool because the FCC does not regulate the use of laser so the ban on jamming radars will not / cannot apply to laser jamming. Why wouldn't you run it?

And let's step to the "baller" factor here. Just one save from ALP will more than pay for court costs, attorney, possible arrest, 3 years of insurance premium increases, etc. so it's easy to justify financially. Argument there is "just don't drive so fast"... OK, might as well buy a Prius while we're at it!

[agent47]

Which makes perfect sense to a normal person.
Where does he get the whole "majority is radar" crap? I have TWO cops in my town that have K-guns and everyone else is running laser. My RD always gives me at least a mile warning with these guys. Sheriffs running laser. State police running laser.
Yes, it defeats only laser, that's the point. Most LEO is replacing old radar guns with new Lidar (DragonEye, PL3, Laser cameras, red light cameras, etc.). There's a lot of laser out there. LOL
It's especially cool because the FCC does not regulate the use of laser so the ban on jamming radars will not / cannot apply to laser jamming. Why wouldn't you run it?

And let's step to the "baller" factor here. Just one save from ALP will more than pay for court costs, attorney, possible arrest, 3 years of insurance premium increases, etc. so it's easy to justify financially. Argument there is "just don't drive so fast"... OK, might as well buy a Prius while we're at it!

But you know the car performs well even when stock. So you dont need any aftermarket parts, ALP is also aftermarket since it didnt come installed from factory. You are a baller Tony. @S4per @Denalist you guys are ballers too.

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[flyfishing]

i am putting ALP on my car soon with rs7 grille, but im not gonna cut grille. i acknowledge reduced protection and will place it behind.

jammers have saved me from maybe 10+ tickets. much less use out of them vs radar detectors, but still enough to justify the cost

[agent47]

Again, the pot is calling the kettle black. You ask me where I come up with the "majority is radar" argument yet you make the counter statement that "everyone else is running laser" except your two cops. Yeah, that's just so much more reliable than my statement.

I'm going off personal experience. The vast majority of speed traps these days are using radar, not lidar. This is a fact. Google it before replying.

Most LEO is NOT replacing old radar guns with lidar. Where do you come up with this stuff? They get newer radar guns.

And BTW, just because some cops may HAVE laser guns doesn't mean they're USING them. From talking to several LEOs in court I know they definitely do not prefer laser guns to radar guns due to ease of use. With radar, they can clock cars easily while in their cars, moving, etc whereas with laser they have to get into position, aim the gun at individual cars, and then shoot it. It's a much bigger pain in the ass for them. This is one of the reasons why radar is still way more popular for speed enforcement.

Radar detectors won't give you a mile warning if the cop uses instant on. But again, you know it all.

Dude what the fuck are you not understanding? They are simply saying that the cops around them possess lasers and use them. If these guys don't want to take a chance of getting a citation due to a Laser, they got the counter measure installed. Its as simple as that. They are not telling everybody to get the ALP. If you don't feel it is necessary for you (or you don't like any products - which seems like the case) then stop polluting the thread with non-stop bashing of what others are buying or using. If for 1200 bucks and labor, it only saves you from laser, you don't need to get one Vol. Enjoy your radar since no cop around you is ever gonna use Laser . And if they do, they will tell you since they are your buddies . Just like the Audi manufacturing line supervisor and the lead customs official at the port where your RS7 arrived.

[tonymission]

Haha "majority of speed traps"??
I don't need to GOOGLE IT... I drive by and either get hit with radar or laser. It's easy to figure out who is running what.

[q5 dave]

I've been speeding for several years now and have yet to have been pulled over for speeding with laser. So isn't the proof in the pudding then?

Post a photo of your car and your radar setup

[agent47]

I've been speeding for several years now and have yet to have been pulled over for speeding with laser. So isn't the proof in the pudding then?

Dude.. again?? For real? What the fuck is wrong with you? S4per and tony have clearly stated Laser is used in their areas. If its not used in yours, good for you and you dont need to get laser counter measures. But why question them if they wanna use it based on their experience? I contemplated getting one myself but decided against it since in my area I havent been hit by a laser or have seen laser being used.

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[tonymission]

Let's think about this for a second... let's say 9 out of 10 LEO run radar instead of laser just to humor Vol... because whatever they do in his county is done everywhere else. Obviously.
So 9 times out of 10 my RD will alert me assuming they aren't using I/O technique which I have personally yet to see although I read about it on RDforum.org...

1 out of 10 times I'm completed fucked. Isn't that enough? I mean, does ALP only make sense if it saves me 20 times a year? Honestly I don't get hit very much in general as I'm an attentive driver, use an old version of waze, pick my spots, etc...
I've transferred it to my second car and if I ever get a solar orange RS7 with ceramic brakes (HUGE WASTE OF MONEY!!!) then I'll transfer it to that car too.

That said, there's a lot of laser in my area. That's it. I don't live in a retirement community in south florida, maybe they don't think they need it down there. I have no idea, but they think they need it up here.

[agent47]

I've transferred it to my second car and if I ever get a solar orange RS7 with ceramic brakes (HUGE WASTE OF MONEY!!!) then I'll transfer it to that car too.

Edit your post please. Its not a huge waste of money. Its baller status.


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[S4Per]

It's awesome that you don't have to worry about laser down by you, Vol.
Up here, we see a ton of it, hence it's money well spent.


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[Serpent]

It's awesome that you don't have to worry about laser down by you, Vol.
Up here, we see a ton of it, hence it's money well spent.

Nice and clean set-up! Attention to detail is amazing. Definitely money well spent.

[moosehead1]

Very nicely done. Particularly appreciate how clean the cut out is on the honeycomb grill for the sensors. Your photography is also stunning.

For those asking about counter measures investment against laser, it's one helluva lot cheaper than one large speeding ticket, or several smaller ones. And no, I'm incapable of slowing down, ergo the CM's.

I'm about to switch out an LI system for the ALP, this pushed me over the wall. Thank you sir.

[goliath1]

vol...I have been struggling whether to comment on this or not....How about simply saying "nicely done"? And leave it at that? Or even better, if you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. And u wonder why u take such abuse here.

I enjoy these forums but you often make them so much less enjoyable.

[Kem]

fucking hell vol, you just ruined what should be a damn useful thread.

I love the heads for the alp kit, much more stealth then the ones on my uninstalled Laser Interceptor kit, their heads are much wider. I really want the RS grille, but just hate the thought of cutting it up.

[tonymission]

fucking hell vol, you just ruined what should be a damn useful thread.

I love the heads for the alp kit, much more stealth then the ones on my uninstalled Laser Interceptor kit, their heads are much wider. I really want the RS grille, but just hate the thought of cutting it up.

I installed without cutting the main grill.. did cut the two fog light mini grills and then one center above the splitter. Passed in testing against 5 guns. Just figured the fog grills would be cheaper to replace if I needed to.

[Brooklyn]

He doesn't care. He thrives on it and the anonymity if the Internet allows him to do it with impunity.

vol...I have been struggling whether to comment on this or not....How about simply saying "nicely done"? And leave it at that? Or even better, if you have nothing positive to say, say nothing at all. And u wonder why u take such abuse here.

I enjoy these forums but you often make them so much less enjoyable.