What would be the "smarter" choice in my situation. B8 or B8.5?

[Vanimal]

I currently have a 2010 4.2L Deep Sea Blue S5. Love the thing & have had it for about a year without problem. Super clean has 73k currently, washed every week inside & out. Me & my fiance share it as a DD, & off the top of my head i think i owe about 19-20k on it as a payoff. I looked up the Blue book and in clean "trade" in shape its says about $23,300 with my options. So trade in wise, id like to at LEAST come even steven.

Now to the good stuff.... For whatever reason, i am REALLY partial to the 4 door look of the S4, i have owned multiple B5 S4's in the past. And while i love the growl of the 4.2 V8 especially how i drive, (just cruise). I just really like the idea of the Supercharged V6, ESPECIALLY with the Euro rock intake. Sounds kinda like a R/C car on steroids lol.

I have been thinking about trading in my S5 for a B8/B8.5 if the right one pops up for a good price within around 50 miles or closer. I check auto trader daily, some of the good priced ones seem to move fast or don't last long. I really don't want to go too much higher than my current car payment which is $400 a month. I would go a tad more. Also would like it to be under 60k miles, even though i only put about 10k on mine a year. I can't decide if paying the few grand more is worth the b8.5. At first glance it does. New front end with more aggressive headlights, flat bottom wheel which alone would cost you $600 to add. 3G MMI, Already has the bluetooth music thing built in. There is a B8.5 40 miles for me, 2013 with 38k miles for $33,771 White exterior, panda interior, DSG with the 19" peelers. Here is the link. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...23397905&Log=0

I know a lot of people are happy with their B8 as its roughly the same performance and interior for the most part. But it would sorta feel like getting in the same car interior wise as my S5, without the new goodies. And also i would not like to go over $500 by much as a monthly payment. So i have been looking around the low to mid 30k range. My only requirements is has to be a DSG, must have the stock 19" peelers being i will be leaving them on the car and just putting some H&R OE springs. I am a OEM+ type of guy. And instead of getting wheels id use that cash to get a euro roc intake as well as a stage 2 tune and call it a day.

I have one 12 year old, which he fits in back of the S5 fine, although a 4 door would be nice. Prior to my S5 as a DD we had a Hummer H3 SUV. I am done with SUV's. I feel the B8 S4 is just the swiss army knife of cars. What are your guys thoughts?

[Vanimal]

On the flip side, here is a 2012 with just slightly over 60k, for 28k. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...20400648&Log=0

I promised myself no forcing it, if the right one pops up its meant to be, its NOT like i am in a horrible car at the moment. In fact i get compliments on it a lot where i live. Not to long ago a REALLY nice red one popped up for 29k with the 19" wheels. But sold rather fast.

[GRUMPY-S4]

If buying used... Just go with cleanest and best value. Best Deal

[Vanimal]

If buying used... Just go with cleanest and best value. Best Deal

True, i have gotten smarter in my older age. Not going out and buying the BEST most expensive, because at the end of the day, nobody really gives a shit what you drive. Except me, making me smile is all that matters. I am just sorts stuck between if i should pony up the 3-5k it seems for the B8.5. Or a nice clean used B8 for a reputable dealer. Of course i would check if the DSG has been serviced etc.

[Vanimal]

Also i know A LOT of people go CPO. I have been talked into it TWICE on my past cars, paid the extra. NEVER used the damn warranty once. I must have great luck. So at the end of the day as long as the car fax checks out and the history it doesn't need to be a CPO. My current S5 wasn't but it had full service records from the Audi dealer.

[GRUMPY-S4]

On the flip side, here is a 2012 with just slightly over 60k, for 28k. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...20400648&Log=0

I promised myself no forcing it, if the right one pops up its meant to be, its NOT like i am in a horrible car at the moment. In fact i get compliments on it a lot where i live. Not to long ago a REALLY nice red one popped up for 29k with the 19" wheels. But sold rather fast.

So you would save 5K for 23K more miles and a year less... That saves like $70 in car payment?

[Vanimal]

So you would save 5K for 23K more miles and a year less... That saves like $70 in car payment?

I honestly didn't even do the math, its not a regular dealer either. Prob got it from a auction. I just need to know what to do when the "right" one pops up if you know what i mean.

PS: That first white one if you look "close" has exhaust on it, makes me think was it tuned, etc. Was it driven hard etc etc. Probably thinking too hard, who knows lol. I figure someone here had to be in my situation choosing between the b8/b8.5

[Vanimal]

Tip of the iceberg here, 34k BUT its CPO with only 30k. Prob need pretty nice down payment to get it to low $500 a month i assume. Same color as my S5 basically, ehh on that. But really like the Alcantara with all black and has the 19" peelers.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...21052428&Log=0


I think my S5 was 29k-ish when i got it, and i had about roughly 4k down, id have to double check. I wish the B9 S4 would drop faster so the B8.5 would come down in price a bit

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

Wow, what a small world. That white 2013 at paul miller you posted a link to, that's my brother-in-laws S4 that he traded.

A little FYI, it's been in an accident where the passenger side was hit and the back bumper was resprayed from someone bumping it in traffic.

It's had an oil change every 5k, done by me with 0w-40 mobil and dealer filters. It has an APR stage 1 flash but is currently on a stock file because the dealer did an ECU update before he traded it. Also, i installed the Q5 BBk, ecs rotors front and back, the front has oem audi pads while the rear has ebc yellows and ecs stainless brake lines. The car has never given him any trouble or never had unplanned dealer visits. The car has driven from Florida to Boston due to traveling to work. It might have a bent wheel because you feel a slight shake when crossing above 80 or so but has never had an alignment. He has continental DWS's on it. It has never had any aftermarket parts installed. I recently did a full brake flush but it needs a new air filter and cabin filter. Neither did it have the 35k dsg service done yet.

[Senseless]

I like the more conservative B8 grills better and they have hydraulic steering. CPO with only 10K miles per year will be kind of a waste. It'll expire before you get any serious miles on the car.

[Vanimal]

Wow, what a small world. That white 2013 at paul miller you posted a link to, that's my brother-in-laws S4 that he traded.

A little FYI, it's been in an accident where the passenger side was hit and the back bumper was resprayed from someone bumping it in traffic.

It's had an oil change every 5k, done by me with 0w-40 mobil and dealer filters. It has an APR stage 1 flash but is currently on a stock file because the dealer did an ECU update before he traded it. Also, i installed the Q5 BBk, ecs rotors front and back, the front has oem audi pads while the rear has ebc yellows and ecs stainless brake lines. The car has never given him any trouble or never had unplanned dealer visits. The car has driven from Florida to Boston due to traveling to work. It might have a bent wheel because you feel a slight shake when crossing above 80 or so but has never had an alignment. He has continental DWS's on it. It has never had any aftermarket parts installed. I recently did a full brake flush but it needs a new air filter and cabin filter. Neither did it have the 35k dsg service done yet.

Hahaha That is awesome, i appreciate the honesty man. What did he trade it for? Newer WRX? Something told me if it has a exhaust it at least at ONE time had to be tuned lol. But i know its not like the B5's you can remove or sell it, its locked to the vin. I also noticed the brakes. i was wondering why it didn't have the "S4" written on the caliper, i was wondering why. I have the ECS drilled and slotted rotors on my S5, actually came on the car. REALLY appreciate that info!

[GRUMPY-S4]

I agree that the steering on the B8 is better... The only thing I like about the B8.5 more is the steering wheel and the DSG shift knob.

[Vanimal]

I like the more conservative B8 grills better and they have hydraulic steering. CPO with only 10K miles per year will be kind of a waste. It'll expire before you get any serious miles on the car.

I hear that A LOT about the steering, like A TON lol. I agree with the CPO too, like i said if the car shows on paper its been serviced properly and DSG serviced ill take my gamble. Don't get me wrong i LOVE the B8 too. I do like the headlights on the b8.5, but ehhh, i like saving money and having extra money for parts "cash" wise of the jump.

[Vanimal]

I agree that the steering on the B8 is better... The only thing I like about the B8.5 more is the steering wheel and the DSG shift knob.

This is what i need! People who actually HAVE the car or know that can chime in. Me getting the B8 is only helping me keep more money in my bank account as well as put some quality parts on the car faster like a tune & intake. I can always change the shift knob. I do REALLY like the flat bottom wheel, again something you "could" buy used down the line. But doesn't the B8 S4 have a slightly fatter wheel compared to my 2010 S5? I swore so.

What mileage do you think i should absolutely stay under? I plan to keep it for the 5 years if not longer. 60K? I'll prob put only 10k average per year to begin with.

Also when looking at service records, what is the first DSG service mileage supposed to be done? Is it 35k?

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

He downsized to a legacy. He wanted something awd, reliable and good on gas without a car payment. You're welcome about providing the info.

I have a B8 and i have driven his B8.5 extensively, i would choose the B8.5. The B8.5 dsg feels so much better when sitting in heavy traffic while my B8 gets clunky in heavy stop and go. The DSG in the b8.5 is worth it by itself with the only downside being the lower shift points. The gears are also taller on the B8.5.

The only real plus about the B8 is steering feel but after the software update on the B8.5 it wasn't half bad.

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

The first DSG service is supposed to be 35k and 40k thereafter. I had my first service done at 30k. One thing i would recommend is walking with a vagcom and laptop. Do your own scan and check for readiness, etc. This way you'll know if the dealer did a recent reset to mask any issues that were recently fixed or an attempted fix.

I got my car full stage 2+ with intake, exhaust, pulley, coolant performance system and 28k miles. When i did the scan it only had 1 launch stored in the memory. Either the owner never took off aggresively or it had new transmission components.

Good luck with the search

[GRUMPY-S4]

The DSG on the B8.5 is much better for sure.

[Vanimal]

He downsized to a legacy. He wanted something awd, reliable and good on gas without a car payment. You're welcome about providing the info.

I have a B8 and i have driven his B8.5 extensively, i would choose the B8.5. The B8.5 dsg feels so much better when sitting in heavy traffic while my B8 gets clunky in heavy stop and go. The DSG in the b8.5 is worth it by itself with the only downside being the lower shift points. The gears are also taller on the B8.5.

The only real plus about the B8 is steering feel but after the software update on the B8.5 it wasn't half bad.

Yeah the whole being "better" on gas since its a v6 supercharged thing i don't put too much behind. I bet it will get almost similar to my 4.2 S5. Which does pretty good for a v8 if i drive well. I guess the upside to the b8 is if i NEVER driven a B8.5 i won't know what i am missing haha. Does the B8 rev match with its DSG? I currently have the 6 speed Trip in my S5 which does a fine job and gets the job done how i drive. I drive in manual a lot with the paddles, my fiance just drives in auto. I am used to high rev because the 4.2 S5 has a higher red line @7000rpm

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The DSG on the B8.5 is much better for sure.

Do both rev match in manual mode?

[Pyromatic177]

I'd shoot for low 50's in miles.

I've owned both.
2011 S4: DSG, Sports Diff, Ibis White with Black/Magma interior, B&OwNav
Current is a 2013 S4: DSG, Sports Diff, Brilliant Black with the Nappa Black leather, B&OwNav
To compare them. The B8 was great! I loved it! Ugly steering wheel and shift knob lol. Other than that no complaints really.
Now, the B8.5. Loving it! The interior updates are great and the 3G+ MMI is awesome! And that flat bottom steering wheel!!
But, The steering is rather different. You lose all the 'feel' with the electronic steering. You're not as in tune with the car, as it were. I think the B8.5 rides better but maybe it's the same and I just think that?

Either choice is great! I love both. The steering won't make that big of a difference if you don't really drive it hard or track it. Technically I guess the electronic is better for a DD as you feel less and are more comfortable.

EDIT: As stated the DSG in my 13 is quite better. And I thought the gears seemed taller...

[Vanimal]

I'd shoot for low 50's in miles.

I've owned both.
2011 S4: Sports Diff, Ibis White with Black/Magma interior, B&OwNav
Current is a 2013 S4: Sports Diff, Brilliant Black with the Nappa Black leather, B&OwNav
To compare them. The B8 was great! I loved it! Ugly steering wheel and shift knob lol. Other than that no complaints really.
Now, the B8.5. Loving it! The interior updates are great and the 3G+ MMI is awesome! And that flat bottom steering wheel!!
But, The steering is rather different. You lose all the 'feel' with the electronic steering. You're not as in tune with the car, as it were. I think the B8.5 rides better but maybe it's the same and I just think that?

Either choice is great! I love both. The steering won't make that big of a difference if you don't really drive it hard or track it. Technically I guess the electronic is better for a DD as you feel less and are more comfortable.

Yeah for the 50k i meant if it were a B8, If it were a B8.5 id like to be around 30-39k. Is there any B8 year to avoid like the first which was 2009? I can't imagine how the B8.5 steering feels. On my 2010 S5, it took a while to get used to it coming from my B5 S4 which felt WAY more raw and in tune. It was so easier to turn the turn the wheel, like TOO easy. So i would be nit picky about the electronic since i still feel my current S5 is too easier to steer.

Ibish white with magma/black is a sweet combo. I deff want the nav and B&O and seat memory to make it easier for me and my fiance. Push button start isn't a must. But the 19" peelers are as i would rock them for a while, but would put H&R OE springs on right away. And i won't be tracking it, just a nice little DD that is good in all weather. Never going back to a RWD car.

Do both the b8 and b8.5 DSG rev match? What made you switch to the B8.5?

[Pyromatic177]

I wouldn't say the steering is easier. You just don't feel much through the wheel like on the B8.
Seat memory is B8.5 only. Unless it's a prestige? Maybe? Not sure.
And my B8 got totaled in January. Bad start to the year. I liked the B8.5's a lot so I figured I'd try one out and upgraded. Love it!

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

My B8 rev matches and my brother-in-laws B8.5 rev matches also. I'm not sure about the 2010 and 2011 as i don't have experience with them and they have a different dsg unit known as the gen 1. The 12 has a 1.5 gen and 13+ has a 2nd gen unit.

There is an APR post that explains in much better detail as I'm just summarizing.

[Vanimal]

My B8 rev matches and my brother-in-laws B8.5 rev matches also. I'm not sure about the 2010 and 2011 as i don't have experience with them and they have a different dsg unit known as the gen 1. The 12 has a 1.5 gen and 13+ has a 2nd gen unit.

There is an APR post that explains in much better detail as I'm just summarizing.

I gotcha, makes sense. I wonder if the gen 1 DSG is something to stay away from with 50k plus miles. I know sometimes audi takes a few years to refine something lol. Aka the B5, to B6, to B7. From turbos to chain problems hahaha.

[Pyromatic177]

On Gen 1 other than the odd shifting I think the only real issue was the Mechatronic unit. Someone chime in if I'm Wrong but I never had an issue with mine.

[Vanimal]

Either way i assume either DSG would feel like a nice upgrade compared to my 6 speed tip in the S5. Although it seems to shift snappy enough for me for a DD, i am no speed demon. Just like to merge on the highway hard lol. And a Italian tuneup here and there to keep the carbon flowing from build up

[Vanimal]

I think I'm going to take a peek at this one this weekend, it's about 45 mins away down the highway. Has most of the options I want also has the alcantara interior. Also has the 19" peelers instead of the 18"s. Has the B&O system seat memory and so on. It has slightly more miles than I'd like but it states it was garaged kept and paint is great. It's a 2012 so it has the 1.5 gen DSG. They do state you could put a 100k warranty on it for extra, but ehhh. I'm curious to what they would offer as a trade in for my 2010 S5. Worst case I drive away in my S5 & still in a nice Audi.

It has a free car fax to look at, has all the services. However it does days "trans" checked. I'm not sure I seen anything about the DSG serviced. Isn't the intervals supposed to be 35k & 75k? Somewhere around there?

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal...ngId=420400648

If all else fails... There's always the option to keep my S5 until I pay it off & when the AWE supercharger kit drops to a "reasonable" price. Super charge the 4.2, for all the fun in the world. Actually that sounds unnecessary lol.




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[Pyromatic177]

I did not know that the 12' P+ could have those option. I.e. Keyless entry and seat memory. Learn something now every day!

[DannyDeez]

Ill give you my input since I basically did the opposite of you.

I had a B8.5 S5 (2013) and now I'm in a B8 S4 (2012). My cars were/are both manual trans so I can't comment on the DSG. I would definitely say that I like the B8 better. I absolutely hated the steering on the B8.5. The new mmi is nothing fancy. Bluetooth audio streaming is instantly solved by adding a $70 tune2air cable. Other than that I see no real difference between the two.

You already have a gorgeous car, the only thing I see being a "problem" is the V8 engine. This 3.0T is truly awesome, especially if you are planning on tuning it. I had APR stage 2 (pulley/tune) on my S5 and it was amazing. Ill probably keep the S4 stock for now because its CPO until Dec 2017.

Interiors are pretty much the same across both platforms for B8/B8.5. My current S4 looks exactly like my S5 did inside.

To sum it up, if you just want a 4 door supercharged car, get the B8 S4. If you can find one thats still CPO for two years like I did, you'll be in great shape.

Good luck hunting!

[Vanimal]

Ill give you my input since I basically did the opposite of you.

I had a B8.5 S5 (2013) and now I'm in a B8 S4 (2012). My cars were/are both manual trans so I can't comment on the DSG. I would definitely say that I like the B8 better. I absolutely hated the steering on the B8.5. The new mmi is nothing fancy. Bluetooth audio streaming is instantly solved by adding a $70 tune2air cable. Other than that I see no real difference between the two.

You already have a gorgeous car, the only thing I see being a "problem" is the V8 engine. This 3.0T is truly awesome, especially if you are planning on tuning it. I had APR stage 2 (pulley/tune) on my S5 and it was amazing. Ill probably keep the S4 stock for now because its CPO until Dec 2017.

Interiors are pretty much the same across both platforms for B8/B8.5. My current S4 looks exactly like my S5 did inside.

To sum it up, if you just want a 4 door supercharged car, get the B8 S4. If you can find one thats still CPO for two years like I did, you'll be in great shape.

Good luck hunting!

You're right, the more I think about it, the B8 in my case seems like the smarter choice. Puts me in my comfort zone on where I'd "like" to be price wise, high. 20 to low 30k. So my monthly payments wouldn't change drastically.

Now my S5 isn't shabby by any means, get compliments on it a lot in my neck of the woods . I'd like a V6 supercharged, but I wouldn't be tracking the car or racing people lol. And my 4.2 S5 merges me on the highway and allows me to changes lanes just fine without hassle, sounds good doing it too. I do appreciate the growl of the 4.2. I just really also love the lines of the 4 door b8 s4 & I would end up keeping it pretty long as I see because of the things you can do with the V6T over the NA 4.2 in my S5.

I have a RS5 grille from USP actually ready to get installed here soon. I am supposed to drive down to my buddies house in NJ one weekend to install a set of H&R OE springs he took off his car to replace with coils to go lower. The OE's are plenty low for me just to rid of wheel gap. My S5 also came with upgraded ECS slotted & drilled rotors ($1200) for the set. And the ECS flush spacer kit & led interior lighting already installed. More money in my pocket from not having to buy it ;)


They do say if you don't look back at your car when you park and walk into a store it's time for a upgrade. However I still do turn around and look at her all the time :). But man I seen a B8 S4 the other day tastefully lowered with the 19" peelers and I wanted it! Can't win man lol.

This is the current S5 I'm in. Deep Sea Blue. I do regret selling my B5 S4 last year we used a spare car. & something I just cruised in. Had 190k but man was it clean, you'd sear it had half those miles, I took care of it. It was just stage 2 tuned with a cat back, fun car. Maybe I should just go buy another as a little weekend toy/spare car and get my forced induction giggles there lol.

[GRUMPY-S4]

The other advantage in my book of the B8 is that you can get the DSG paddle extensions. As far as I know, no one has them for the B8.5

[chaos2984]

I would really try to get a B8.5 if it has to be a DSG. You will be much happier with the B8.5 And that white one. Just talk to the guy and see how bad that accident was. And if the car looks ok in person and everything looks good. Then its good. It rare to have good history on the car. And you already have a few upgrades on the car. I would at least give that white one a go and see if you can get 3K more off the car. Or them to come up on your trade in a little bit. Hell they might get you more than 24K for your trade. At this stage it doesn't hurt to at least try. See if the numbers can work out for what number you have in your head. But like you said find the right one for you.

[DannyDeez]

You're right, the more I think about it, the B8 in my case seems like the smarter choice. Puts me in my comfort zone on where I'd "like" to be price wise, high. 20 to low 30k. So my monthly payments wouldn't change drastically.

Now my S5 isn't shabby by any means, get compliments on it a lot in my neck of the woods . I'd like a V6 supercharged, but I wouldn't be tracking the car or racing people lol. And my 4.2 S5 merges me on the highway and allows me to changes lanes just fine without hassle, sounds good doing it too. I do appreciate the growl of the 4.2. I just really also love the lines of the 4 door b8 s4 & I would end up keeping it pretty long as I see because of the things you can do with the V6T over the NA 4.2 in my S5.

I have a RS5 grille from USP actually ready to get installed here soon. I am supposed to drive down to my buddies house in NJ one weekend to install a set of H&R OE springs he took off his car to replace with coils to go lower. The OE's are plenty low for me just to rid of wheel gap. My S5 also came with upgraded ECS slotted & drilled rotors ($1200) for the set. And the ECS flush spacer kit & led interior lighting already installed. More money in my pocket from not having to buy it ;)


They do say if you don't look back at your car when you park and walk into a store it's time for a upgrade. However I still do turn around and look at her all the time :). But man I seen a B8 S4 the other day tastefully lowered with the 19" peelers and I wanted it! Can't win man lol.

This is the current S5 I'm in. Deep Sea Blue. I do regret selling my B5 S4 last year we used a spare car. & something I just cruised in. Had 190k but man was it clean, you'd sear it had half those miles, I took care of it. It was just stage 2 tuned with a cat back, fun car. Maybe I should just go buy another as a little weekend toy/spare car and get my forced induction giggles there lol.


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Yea man your car is gorgeous. I would say keep it. Seems like you're still very happy with it so I don't see any reason for you to change it right now. Plus you have some nice little upgrades. It will look even better once you have the RS grille put on. Just make sure to put the S5 badge back on it. If you do springs as well, it will transform the car and you'll fall in love with it all over again. I would do that stuff first, and then see if you still are thinking of getting out of it.

Even if you kept it for another year, it would pay the loan down more and maybe you would even make out better on a trade in. By then the B9's should be out and it might help lower the price of a B8/B8.5 S4 even more, if you were even still interested at that point.

Also, nice B5! I had two Nogaro B5's back in the day. Its probably still my favorite Audi to date. Maintenance nightmare though.

[Pyromatic177]

The other advantage in my book of the B8 is that you can get the DSG paddle extensions. As far as I know, no one has them for the B8.5

I've seen them. They're ugly lol. The 13' S4's had the B8 paddles still. Which is nice

[GRUMPY-S4]

I've seen them. They're ugly lol. The 13' S4's had the B8 paddles still. Which is nice

Good to know...

[Vanimal]

I hear ya guys & appreciate the opinions of current owners. I guess I'm trying to be patient & if the right one pops up close by its meant to be. I've certainly forced cars before & sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side so to speak. That said I check auto trader daily to see what pops up. The right one will eventually come, if it's weeks or a year.


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[RudyH]

IMO, it might be cause I have had the car a long time.
If I had to today choose, I would grab the B8.5. The upgrades are nice, but not worth trading my car in and getting.

Errrrr, well who knows, I might need to get a B8.5 if the price of the B9 doesn't make sense.

[scottycs]

B8.5 all the way, cosmetically it is a much better looking car (interior and exterior) where as the b8 looks dated. The MMI is definitely better and does not look nearly as dated, plus the controls are much better. Also, you have a better DSG which seems to have much fewer problems and get the crown gear center.

[Vanimal]

I wish those damn b9 s4 would hit the showroom floor faster. That would certainly help reflect on the B8.5 dropping a few grand. When are they due in US? 2017? That might be a smart move to wait and strike for a b8.5 instead of going b8 s4 now.


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[jcs]

B8.5 - the late or mid-life refreshed models of a generation typically have had all the kinks ironed out.

[grovlet]

Call and talk with these guys:
North Bay Imports

They are an independent Audi specialist - and have them search for you - I bought my car from them - super easy to deal with!