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    Hi All,
    So on my future to-do list is the common mod of installing a transmission mount insert on my 12' DSG S4. Seeing as ECS was just added to the list of suppliers, 034, Eurocode, or ECS, I'm trying to gauge which to go with. As all are around the same ball park price, I can't see much advantage of one company over the other, with the exception that ECS provides you 2 new oem "torque to yield" bolts to replace the ones removed. I'd like to get a poll going on who re-used these bolts, and if so, have you had any issues? Thanks!

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    I just put in Ecs diff mounts and eurocode tranny mount, reused tranny mount bolts without an issue. Just a slight NVM but not enough to bother me.


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    I have all Eurocode mounts, I just like the anodized red mounts, very happy with them! And yes reused all the bolts.

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    Did you re-use the "Torque to yield" bolts on the trans mount?
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    I have all of the 034 mounts and reused all of the original bolts.
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    034 one here, no issues, reused the bolts. Support the originator.
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    just purchased the eurocode mount for 40 bucks on sale. i think the 034 mount is around 75? not sure which ballpark you go to but that's a decent gap if you ask me.

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    Torque to yield bolts are used for a reason. We've all reused them a time or two but really should be replaced every time. It's a small price to pay for peace of mind.

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    the REAL question is, who has all the benefit of a tighter drivetrain with NO vibrations/noise in the cabin??? and which did you use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbb1485 View Post
    Did you re-use the "Torque to yield" bolts on the trans mount?
    Yes. I reused sway bar and endlinks bolts as well. Did them all together, car only has 5k miles if that makes a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14S4GWM View Post
    I have all of the 034 mounts and reused all of the original bolts.
    Quote Originally Posted by infinkc View Post
    034 one here, no issues, reused the bolts. Support the originator.
    +1. I went with the 034 mounts and reused all the original bolts, but I added loctite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrolhead View Post
    just purchased the eurocode mount for 40 bucks on sale. i think the 034 mount is around 75? not sure which ballpark you go to but that's a decent gap if you ask me.
    Point of this thread is not to compare ball park sizes but rather if you re-used original torque to yield bolts and if you experienced any issues as a result. And yes SacAudi, also to your point, which supplier provides tighter drivetrain with the least amount of vibrations/noise in cabin
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    I replaced the torque to yield bolts with grade 8 bolts. when I looked at the stock bolts I could clearly see where the threads had stretched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbb1485 View Post
    Point of this thread is not to compare ball park sizes but rather if you re-used original torque to yield bolts and if you experienced any issues as a result. And yes SacAudi, also to your point, which supplier provides tighter drivetrain with the least amount of vibrations/noise in cabin
    you asked the forum to help you make a decision on which mount to go with. i was just giving you another factor to help make your decision and letting you know they are NOT in the same ballpark as you thought. eurocode sells bolt kits for most other products in it's line up so i take that as a sign they are not required for this particular mount but hey, if bolts are that important to you then go for it. your welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlownOne View Post
    +1. I went with the 034 mounts and reused all the original bolts, but I added loctite.
    +2 no issues here

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    The trans mount torque yield bolts only have 15 ft-lbs on them. I gambled and reused the originals. I'm guessing people who have issues reusing those bolts over torqued them by quite a bit.
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    I've never noticed any extra cabin noise

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpoweruk View Post
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    034 engine mounts,034 transmission mount & 034 diff mounts.

    I've never noticed any extra cabin noise

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    Thank you! And I imagine the feel from tightening up the drive train has you grinning ear to ear every time you drive? or how would you describe it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    Torque to yield bolts are used for a reason. We've all reused them a time or two but really should be replaced every time. It's a small price to pay for peace of mind.

    Jason
    +1

    Drive a $60k German sports sedan......balk at swapping out some cheap bolts. Just seems foolish to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scumbucket View Post
    I replaced the torque to yield bolts with grade 8 bolts. when I looked at the stock bolts I could clearly see where the threads had stretched.


    Grade 8 has nothing to do with a torque-to-yield bolt. Grade 8 is merely a shear force rating.
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    Sort of off topic, but I have a 2015 6MT with 034 transmission mount insert and Apikol rear differential bushing (the 'race' one, can't remember the color). When I am in 1st gear at light throttle and at a crawl (i.e. in traffic), the car is bucking forward and aft. I thought the combination of these two modifications was supposed to diminish or eliminate this phenomenon but it feels just as bad, if not worse, than stock. Anyone else with the 034 transmission insert experiencing this?
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    ^ I have all of the 034 mounts and don't experience that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14S4GWM View Post
    ^ I have all of the 034 mounts and don't experience that.
    Thanks for the input. Maybe I need to check the bolts holding both pieces to make sure they aren't coming loose.
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    I did the entire 034 kit and the ONLY extra NVH I've experienced has been a SLIGHT whine between 50-52MPH while on the throttle after installing the rear diff kit (transmission mount went on first). It's eliminated by either my intake or the radio. DSG shifts are amazingly smooth now. It's linear acceleration.

    Nothing against ECS (they're a f-----g amazing company that will continue to get my business), but as another poster put it, Eurocode and 034 both sell hardware kits when it's necessary. It looks like the ECS mounts are taller, which requires new hardware. I think that the whole "torque to yield" argument is more of a justification for extra parts in the kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveYem View Post
    Sort of off topic, but I have a 2015 6MT with 034 transmission mount insert and Apikol rear differential bushing (the 'race' one, can't remember the color). When I am in 1st gear at light throttle and at a crawl (i.e. in traffic), the car is bucking forward and aft. I thought the combination of these two modifications was supposed to diminish or eliminate this phenomenon but it feels just as bad, if not worse, than stock. Anyone else with the 034 transmission insert experiencing this?
    My car doesn't do this and I'm all stock diff/transmission wise. You sure it isn't something else?

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    I have experience with using torque to yield bolts in design. Why do people use torque to yield bolts with torque+angle instead of just specifying a torque value? This is because they are trying to achieve a consistent CLAMP LOAD in the joint. If you just use torque, your resulting clamp load will vary quite a bit because many, many factors affect the torque application (thread quality, lubrication on threads, etc.). If you look at the torque vs. angle plot of a generic bolt, the torque increases to the yield point and the torque value flattens out for quite a bit more angle application until you reach the failure point. Audi also ensures that the bolt is placed in yield because bolts relax. If you are past the yield point in the torque vs. angle curve then some relaxation in the bolt maintains the clamp load because the torque vs. angle plot is mostly flat past the yield point. Lets say your threads are dry and munged up, you may put 30 N-m on it but not reach the yield point, any relaxation then results in a loss of clamp load. Not ideal. Its also possible that since the bolt is stretched, your new yield torque is 25 N-m. So you keep adding angle trying to reach 35 N-m but the bolt breaks at 25.

    I say all of this to say you CAN re-use torque to yield bolts but you are introducing even more variables into that resulting joint clamp force. At least use loctite to help combat the bolt relaxation a bit so you don't lose joint clamping force. And if you find yourself turning and turning the bolt, trying to reach X N-m, STOP!

    I'm not disparaging anyone that chooses to re-use bolts or the companies that recommend that course. It can surely be done and chances are you'll be perfectly fine. I just choose not to go that route.

    Engineering nerd rant over.

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    Thanks for the education^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Works2shoot View Post

    Nothing against ECS (they're a f-----g amazing company that will continue to get my business), but as another poster put it, Eurocode and 034 both sell hardware kits when it's necessary. It looks like the ECS mounts are taller, which requires new hardware. I think that the whole "torque to yield" argument is more of a justification for extra parts in the kit.
    Just for clarification purposes we include Genuine OEM Audi bolts. With any of our engineered replacement parts we always take into consideration how it should be installed by the book. Meaning we will reference the Bentley Manual which is what the manufacture uses to repair your vehicle. This manual also tells you which bolts are TTY, which in this case are the ones we include.

    All else a side thank you for the support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    Just for clarification purposes we include Genuine OEM Audi bolts. With any of our engineered replacement parts we always take into consideration how it should be installed by the book. Meaning we will reference the Bentley Manual which is what the manufacture uses to repair your vehicle. This manual also tells you which bolts are TTY, which in this case are the ones we include.

    All else a side thank you for the support.

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    I was referring to the diff inserts originally, but the trans mount looked taller as well - I should have been more clear, didn't want to bump that old thread.

    Regardless, as I've said before, you guys are an industry leader with incredible customer service. So many vendors take things too personally or seriously.
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    No worries! If you really don't want the replacement hardware in a kit we offer you can always call in and have a Sales rep remove it for you. Extra hardware when installing new parts will never hurt. There has been a few times I've been mid install and either lost an important bolt/nut or something got damaged from removal which would make installation difficult or removal again nearly impossible.

    Appreciate the support!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    Just for clarification purposes we include Genuine OEM Audi bolts. With any of our engineered replacement parts we always take into consideration how it should be installed by the book. Meaning we will reference the Bentley Manual which is what the manufacture uses to repair your vehicle. This manual also tells you which bolts are TTY, which in this case are the ones we include.

    All else a side thank you for the support.

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    Jason - do you sell a Bentley Manual for a B8(8.5) S4? I've been looking, but can't find any info that they've ever created one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny2323 View Post
    Jason - do you sell a Bentley Manual for a B8(8.5) S4? I've been looking, but can't find any info that they've ever created one.
    You can register here and pay for a day and download everything for your car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14S4GWM View Post
    You can register here and pay for a day and download everything for your car.

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    Nice! Thanks man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny2323 View Post
    Nice! Thanks man
    No problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny2323 View Post
    Jason - do you sell a Bentley Manual for a B8(8.5) S4? I've been looking, but can't find any info that they've ever created one.
    We do not. Doesn't look like ones available specifically from Bentley. The one we use is by ALLDATA. I just have a habit of saying Bentley Manual since that's what I've used for the past 10-12 years when working on Audi's

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveYem View Post
    Sort of off topic, but I have a 2015 6MT with 034 transmission mount insert and Apikol rear differential bushing (the 'race' one, can't remember the color). When I am in 1st gear at light throttle and at a crawl (i.e. in traffic), the car is bucking forward and aft. I thought the combination of these two modifications was supposed to diminish or eliminate this phenomenon but it feels just as bad, if not worse, than stock. Anyone else with the 034 transmission insert experiencing this?
    yes, mine does this. 034 trans mount, diff carrier mounts, diff mount, x-brace, and street density motor mounts and nothing seems "connected" . crawling in traffic the other day in first and second was brutal.
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    I got the insert from 034 but all the other bushings (rear diff, etc etc) from ECS. like a dummy, I tried to reuse the bolts on the insert and over torqued them. THe head popped off so I had to take the whole tranny crossmember support off to get to the broken bolt. Luckilly, as seems to be the case most of the time, I had a good amount of the broken bolt still hanging out. I used vice grips to spin it back out, put everything back together and used new bolts the second time around. I've not had a problem since. I'll tell you though, that's a really really shitty feeling when that bolt head pops off though. You literally begin thinking about all the posts saying 'don't reuse stretch to torque bolts' etc etc. It's amazing how many of the threads you remember right at that moment. I'm sure your install will go fine though re-using them. Just don't be a freakin' bone head like me and monkey torque the bolts down or you'll be remembering these posts too.

    Even with it breaking, it really wasn't that hard of a job ot get the old bolt out but it sure did heighten the 'pucker factor' for me.

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