Weird startup noise and car won't start

[Ashtonts]

When I try to start my car, it just keeps making a really bizarre noise and will not start at all. Have no idea what the issue is, but I have a video so you guys can see what it sounds like. Any help would be appreciated, I'm definitely not gonna make it to class this morning, but hopefully I can get it solved before work. Hopefully.

http://youtu.be/QxR9vXADNbU

Thanks guys

[shahk62]

No audio in that video for me


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[Ashtonts]

No audio in that video for me


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Weird, has Audio for me

[B7TitaniumA4]

sounds like your starter is spinning and not touching anything meaning its sitting at a dead spot on the flywheel (no teeth) or your starter is missing its teeth. try hand turning the engine a bit and see what happens. I buddy of mine had an old jeep Comanche and every once in awhile he would have to turn the motor by hand to get teeth on teeth. PITA but if it works....

[Ashtonts]

sounds like your starter is spinning and not touching anything meaning its sitting at a dead spot on the flywheel (no teeth) or your starter is missing its teeth. try hand turning the engine a bit and see what happens. I buddy of mine had an old jeep Comanche and every once in awhile he would have to turn the motor by hand to get teeth on teeth. PITA but if it works....

Awesome, how do I do that???

[kTaLgsTo]

Use a socket on the crank bolt, and a breaker bar, turn engine over a bit.

[Ashtonts]

Use a socket on the crank bolt, and a breaker bar, turn engine over a bit.

Where is it?

Edit: if it's where I think it is, how do I crank it without disassembling my front end??? Sorry for the n00b questions lol

Edit 2: it also appears to be a star bolt, which I do not have the proper socket for anyways

[kTaLgsTo]

You are correct about the front end. However a normal socket will fit on it. I just don't remember the correct size

[B7TitaniumA4]

couple ways, grab the accessory belt if possible and turn clockwise (just tried on mine... not going to work)

breaker bar and socket on the crank bolt. (19mm 12 point) didn't realize it was this just looked it up. the TSI engine I just worked on was a 24mm bolt (normal)

this is just a guess based on the sound, your getting power and something is moving in there, just not the whole engine... its possible the starter is turning and not popping out to engage the flywheel as well.

[Ashtonts]

Well I do not have the time or the resources to disassemble my entire front end right now, especially since that may not even solve my issue. Thanks though, I wonder if there's anything else I can do. It's not hurting anything to keep trying to start it though, correct?

[B7TitaniumA4]

not positive, but in my head, nothing turning, nothing can be damaged...you would probably just drain the battery at some point, starters use a lot of juice

[Ashtonts]

not positive, but in my head, nothing turning, nothing can be damaged...you would probably just drain the battery at some point, starters use a lot of juice

And also, if the issue is what you suggest.. I would need a new starter and flywheel and that should solve the issue?

[B7TitaniumA4]

if that is the issue, obviously hope its not the flywheel, requires transmission removal. starter would be much easier and less costly if you can get a definite diagnosis that it is failing

[jcsa4]

Does sound like the starter. I would just pull the starter and see if the teeth are messed up or if its not pushing out to engage the fly wheel. The starter is easy to pull and you can check the flywheel while its out.

[B-Time]

Could be the starter solenoid. You may want to try giving it a good whack.

[aluthman]

You are correct about the front end. However a normal socket will fit on it. I just don't remember the correct size

19mm 12 pt socket

Edit: Someone else beat me to it. FYI, if it happens to be an ARP crank bolt (unlikely), it is a 23mm 12 pt socket.

If it happens to be the flywheel, I have a perfectly good clutchmasters steel SMFW that I just took out of my car. I would start by pulling the starter and checking it out. If you didn't have a Tip, you could just push start the car.

[Ashtonts]

Does sound like the starter. I would just pull the starter and see if the teeth are messed up or if its not pushing out to engage the fly wheel. The starter is easy to pull and you can check the flywheel while its out.

Any good DIY on how to pull out the starter? I can't seem to find one for 2.0T's

[aluthman]

-Remove belly pan
-crawl under car
-disconnect the 2 cables from the back and the plastic connector
-remove 2 16mm bolts that hold starter in from the trans side of the bellhousing
-pull starter out of car

It might vary slightly with a Tip instead of manual, but probably not much.

[jcsa4]

The two bolts are 16MM if I remember correctly. I would also recommend disconnecting the battery. I found it easier to drop the starter out before even trying to disconnect the wires from the starter. There is one wire which is a connector type and there are 2 wires that are bolted on which are the power wires, this is a 13MM nut. Unbolt the starter drop it down some then disconnect the wires. I have a lift in my garage so it's super easy. Shouldn't be bad on the ground either, might want to remove the tire on the passengers side for easier access doing it on the ground.

[Ashtonts]

-Remove belly pan

Haha the shitty CT roads already did this step for me

In all seriousness though, thanks guys. I'll take a look at this tonight or tomorrow morning. Everyone's been super helpful and it is much appreciated!

[Ashtonts]

There is no way the starter is held on by 16mm bolts. An 8mm Allen wrench almost fits it. Pretty certain it's a 7mm hex, not sure where you guys are getting the 16mm from, unless it's really that much different between auto and manual.

Unless I'm looking at the bolts from the wrong side? But I cannot find any way to get at them from the other side so I can't see how I would be

[aluthman]

It's possible that there is a difference between tip and manual. I know the starters themselves are not interchangeable. I doubt they would hold a starter in with a 7mm hex though. Starter motors have lots of torque.

[Ashtonts]

It's possible that there is a difference between tip and manual. I know the starters themselves are not interchangeable. I doubt they would hold a starter in with a 7mm hex though. Starter motors have lots of torque.

It's like a female hex though. It's definitely a circular bolt that you would have to stick something inside it to turn it, it's a thick bolt but it just appears to be a hex, and like I said an 8mm Allen wrench was just barely too big. Really lost as to what this is but I'm gonna go pick up a 7mm hex and pray it works.

[Denio24]

It's possible that there is a difference between tip and manual. I know the starters themselves are not interchangeable. I doubt they would hold a starter in with a 7mm hex though. Starter motors have lots of torque.

Maybe he's referring to the two long hex bolts on each side of the starter that hold the two halves together, the drive pinion and the actual motor. In that case you don't want to remove those bolts as that will be disassembling the starter motor.

[Ashtonts]

Maybe he's referring to the two long hex bolts on each side of the starter that hold the two halves together, the drive pinion and the actual motor. In that case you don't want to remove those bolts as that will be disassembling the starter motor.

Okay I am so confused right now

Are these not the bolts I am removing?

[Denio24]

The bolts circled in red are the ones you are removing and those are found on the back of the engine that connect to the transmission bellhousing

[Ashtonts]

The bolts circled in red are the ones you are removing and those are found on the back of the engine that connect to the transmission bellhousing

Okay this is the bolt I am seeing. Is this from the wrong side then?

[Denio24]

The mounting style is probably different for a tip. The bolt you circled in the last pictured definitely looks like one of the mounting bolts. The other one is probably sitting on the other side.

[aluthman]

You also have a coolant leak.

[Ashtonts]

The mounting style is probably different for a tip. The bolt you circled in the last pictured definitely looks like one of the mounting bolts. The other one is probably sitting on the other side.

Yeah this is what I was figuring. Didn't think it would be SO different though

You also have a coolant leak.

I know :( that's a project for another day though

[Theiceman]

does not sound like the starter to me. sounds like an engine turning with no compresion

might want to do a quick check of your timing belt.

[Ashtonts]

does not sound like the starter to me. sounds like an engine turning with no compresion

might want to do a quick check of your timing belt.

What should I be looking for?

[Theiceman]

see if it is snapped

there is an inspection cover you can remove to check google it.

[Ashtonts]

see if it is snapped

there is an inspection cover you can remove to check google it.

Can I do this without removing my front end? Can't find anything on google lol

[Denio24]

Yes on some vehicles there is a access cover on the front of the engine, and some timing covers have to have two bolts removed from the top. All this can be done without removing the front end.

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[VanCityA4Q]

Just an FYI, you don't need to disassemble the front end of your car to get at the crank bolt, there's enough room to slide it down the front of the engine between the rad, just need a 24" 3/8 drive swivel breaker bar and the previously mentioned 19mm 12 point socket, preferably a low profile one although a standard short does work with some patients.


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[VanCityA4Q]

Also your timing belt cover should just be held on by 2 metal clips on either side of the valve cover right at the front, remove your engine cover first and it pops right off, it's just the lower portion that's held on by a couple bolts, the top cover has tabs that engage in the lower cover you kind of have to pull up and towards the front of the car wiggling it from side to side to get it past the coolant return line from your turbo.


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[Okedokey]

Ok, just pissing in the wind here, but if you have a leak, could you possibly have a blown gasket causing the compression loss and engine issues?

[Ashtonts]

Ok, just pissing in the wind here, but if you have a leak, could you possibly have a blown gasket causing the compression loss and engine issues?

This thought came to mind, however my coolant tank itself is cracked slightly. The flange is also very possibly leaking. I haven't noticed any coolant in my oil or vice Versa, so that wouldn't be my first guess as to what is wrong. But my timing should be okay too, had it serviced at 105k miles a year ago, I'm only at 130k now.

Really hope it's just the starter, but you guys are scaring me

[jcsa4]

Seeing that starter, not the same as the man trans for sure. It's so hard to tell by the video, listening to it again I guess it could be no compression but not likely. I would think he would have noticed the engine taking a crap on him and it wouldn't have happened after he turned the car off. Belt goes it would have gone while he was driving it, not after parking it. A couple easy checks- pull the front cover and check the timing belt, it should be allen bolts and the top section can be pulled off. Second test, is the belt is ok pull the spark plugs, check for oil etc... and try to see if you can do a compression test. It really sounds like its the starter tho.