Front License Plate - Seattle - New Enforcement

**Strikered** · 03-24-2016 11:59 AM

I got pulled over this morning in a School Zone (wasn't speeding), so when the officer came to my window I was like, "Officer, I was going under 20MPH". He said that wasn't the reason, and pointed to my front end. He said that due to the fact that many "systems" around the city are camera based, they have been told to enforce it and hand out citations and/or $136 tickets. He was super cool about it, and let me go with a warning.

Before my B8 S4 I had an MK5 GTI, and I never ran a front plate, so I haven't run one on my S4 (run RS4 grill) for over a year... I guess I'll be looking to either zip tie it or do the Platypus mount. The city wants to ugly up my car!! Sad Face!

Just FYI, you'll likely get off with a warning the first time, but they're logging them. So dumb!

**NaiveTurtle** · 03-24-2016 12:23 PM

Tow hook mount would be my preference

**Quattro 4 Life** · 03-24-2016 12:36 PM

This is beyond annoying. The amount of cars that are sold without front plate mounts is considerable. I.e. almost all new Porsches

**dufferdude** · 03-24-2016 02:15 PM

I use magnets on my RS4 with the plate delete. Last weekend I saw a Porsche up in Vancouver with a decal as a front plate. Look good from a distance.

**Rabbit** · 03-24-2016 02:29 PM

I'm in Portland and didn't get away with a warning. 😣

**getslideways** · 03-25-2016 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Strikered

He said that wasn't the reason, and pointed to my front end. He said that due to the fact that many "systems" around the city are camera based, they have been told to enforce it and hand out citations and/or $136 tickets. !

So basically the lack of a front plate makes it harder for their lazy BS Camera based revenue systems to print the green stuff, automated for profit law enforcement ought to be illegal....

**dufferdude** · 03-25-2016 11:18 PM

Yeah that's bullshit. I'm sure the states that only require one plate have red light cameras too?

**Peter1.8t** · 03-26-2016 01:28 AM

End of the month. Some dbag had to ruin your day to make his quota. Having no front plate doesn't endanger anyone, so really there is no issue here.

**getslideways** · 03-26-2016 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by dufferdude

Yeah that's bullshit. I'm sure the states that only require one plate have red light cameras too?

Thats a good point, because due to privacy reasons they cant take a photo of the front of the car anyway (which is why if you say it wasnt you driving, there is not much they can do as they cant show you a photo from the front)

**Shimmy** · 03-27-2016 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Strikered

Just FYI, you'll likely get off with a warning the first time, but they're logging them. So dumb!

I didn't get off with a warning my first time. I was told that there are a number of officers in Renton that give citations for misequipped vehicles and that is there sole scope. Nothing else. As I signed my ticket the officer walks away and says, "there's only two of us officers in Renton who do this..." WTF!

I also know people who park in DT seattle seem to be getting these tickets, while they are parked!

**NorthWestB8** · 03-28-2016 08:55 AM

Thanks for the tip, we live in Fairwood, just got my replacement bumper and got my RS4 grille with euro plate mount, glad I ordered the tow hook mount on Amazon prime this weekend,

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**NorthWestB8** · 03-28-2016 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Shimmy

I didn't get off with a warning my first time. I was told that there are a number of officers in Renton that give citations for misequipped vehicles and that is there sole scope. Nothing else. As I signed my ticket the officer walks away and says, "there's only two of us officers in Renton who do this..." WTF!

I also know people who park in DT seattle seem to be getting these tickets, while they are parked!

I got a ticket in the wife's car while it was parked outside Nordstrom downtown, the valet guy said parking enforcement walked by. She ticketed damn near every car for plates or other chickenshit petty ass revenue tickets.

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**Spoorguy** · 03-28-2016 10:03 AM

http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.16A.200

Did you guys get issued two plates? if you didn't then you'd have a chance of fighting it. I guess it's up to state patrol on whether they make an exception depending if a plate could be mounted to the front or not. Id say if there wasn't a mounting point, then I'd let someone go. Wish they'd just let this one go because they could either mount cameras else where or if they really wanted your info, they could simply get it by pulling you over, etc... I'm big on if someone tells me I'm doing something wrong, I make sure there's something in writing that says so. I'm not registered in washington but they tried to get me, because I reside here. There reasoning was that there were mounting holes, so I filled them and wrapped over it haha. I'll see how long this last.

Do you guys happen to know about how many folks are getting pulled over for driving on the left lane? that's a big issue right now with a lot of people I know. I didn't know it was applicable here like it is in other states especially since they don't have posted signs that I've seen like other states. Here is the RCW for that as well for those unaware of it.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.a...true#46.61.100

**NorthWestB8** · 03-28-2016 10:13 AM

So a few years ago I have fought the same issue when I was in Tennessee that my bumper was not equipped with mounting points for a license plate or license plate frame so I didn't run one I took it to court and use the argument that by drilling holes into the front of my bumper I then it could possibly void warranty or damage the structural integrity of my bumper thus making an accident more dangerous I got out of having to run a front plate because of that

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**getslideways** · 03-29-2016 09:20 AM

If your car is registered out of state, and in a state that doesn't require a front plate, tell the ticket jockey to piss up a rope, thats just them hoping you will be lazy and pay them anyway. Most of these idiots writing these ticket (the meter maids) dont even know the laws, they figure thats for someone else to figure out.

Originally Posted by Spoorguy

Do you guys happen to know about how many folks are getting pulled over for driving on the left lane? that's a big issue right now with a lot of people I know. I didn't know it was applicable here like it is in other states especially since they don't have posted signs that I've seen like other states. Here is the RCW for that as well for those unaware of it.

That one doesn't bother me as much as that one serves a more understandable purpose (keep slow idiots out of it so traffic can keep flowing, thus preventing rolling roadblocks) The only times I have seen people get pulled for it, its when they are doing a minimum of 10 under the speed limit in it and a officer has been riding their bumper for over 2 miles, and I have personally only seen it enforced on i-90 which does have continual signs noting to move out of the left lane unless passing. And usually the stater just flips on his lights until the person moves out of the lane and then doesn't actually pull them over.

Where are people you know getting pulled for it?

**JeriQo** · 03-29-2016 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Quattro 4 Life

This is beyond annoying. The amount of cars that are sold without front plate mounts is considerable. I.e. almost all new Porsches

pretty sure those porsche owners can afford 136 dollar fine weekly

**JeriQo** · 03-29-2016 10:56 AM

idk about you guys but IMO, the side tow hook mounts look tacky, very JDM.
even worse if its placed on the windshield.

trust me, noone frowns upon your car if youre rocking front plates.

**Shimmy** · 03-29-2016 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by JeriQo

idk about you guys but IMO, the side tow hook mounts look tacky, very JDM.
even worse if its placed on the windshield.

trust me, noone frowns upon your car if youre rocking front plates.

does this mean you don't approve of my new US Mills mount? ha! I haven't put it on yet, but really considering it since I work in Renton.

**JeriQo** · 03-29-2016 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Shimmy

does this mean you don't approve of my new US Mills mount? ha! I haven't put it on yet, but really considering it since I work in Renton.

If its on the tow hook... 😎

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**Strikered** · 03-29-2016 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by getslideways

So basically the lack of a front plate makes it harder for their lazy BS Camera based revenue systems to print the green stuff, automated for profit law enforcement ought to be illegal....

Exactly! I see it as "guilty until proven innocent" since they assume we're up to no good and want to keep tabs on us. :(

Originally Posted by Shimmy

I didn't get off with a warning my first time. I was told that there are a number of officers in Renton that give citations for misequipped vehicles and that is there sole scope. Nothing else. As I signed my ticket the officer walks away and says, "there's only two of us officers in Renton who do this..." WTF!

I also know people who park in DT seattle seem to be getting these tickets, while they are parked!

Yup! I got a parking ticket for going over 5 min (!!!), and they tacked on "no front plate" to it to boot. ******s!

Originally Posted by NorthWestB8

So a few years ago I have fought the same issue when I was in Tennessee that my bumper was not equipped with mounting points for a license plate or license plate frame so I didn't run one I took it to court and use the argument that by drilling holes into the front of my bumper I then it could possibly void warranty or damage the structural integrity of my bumper thus making an accident more dangerous I got out of having to run a front plate because of that

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Good win!

Originally Posted by Quattro 4 Life

This is beyond annoying. The amount of cars that are sold without front plate mounts is considerable. I.e. almost all new Porsches

I used to work at a graphics shop on Lake Union and the Porche guys would come in, have us scan their plate, print it on reflective and install it. It looked good, but doubt its actually legal. But like someone pointed out already, $136 dollar ticket is chump-change for someone with a 911.

**egovreau** · 03-29-2016 09:32 PM

There are a few locations I have seen that are marked as 'keep right except to pass'. One that comes to mind is I5 North between Portland and Centralia.

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**NorthWestB8** · 03-29-2016 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shimmy

does this mean you don't approve of my new US Mills mount? ha! I haven't put it on yet, but really considering it since I work in Renton.

Mine just came in my prime order this morning, I am about to mount mine before the long Vegas drive tomorrow.

**Nully** · 03-30-2016 01:40 AM

+1 for no to tow hook mounts.

My 2 cents, if you do mount it make sure you get a frame that also includes a cover. That way the plate won't rust and look even uglier in a couple of years. I got the weathertech one and if you have a black grill at least it won't stand out like a sore thumb.

...now if I could only find the asshole at the dealer that drilled the original right side hole 0.5mm too high...

**Strikered** · 03-30-2016 11:53 AM

^^^^Yeah that looks pretty clean ^^^^

I'm running the RS4 Grille, so I'm thinking of just zip tying it on to the honeycomb area. I'm not too worries about rust since they're stamped aluminum (its usually the steel hardware that rusts).

**NorthWestB8** · 03-31-2016 09:22 PM

Got mine mounted, personally I like it.

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**getslideways** · 04-01-2016 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Strikered

I'm not too worries about rust since they're stamped aluminum (its usually the steel hardware that rusts).

Not to mention WA is constantly trying to get you to put on new plates nearly every other registration, just so they can charge you for the new one, they barely have time to rust haha

Funny how that didnt seem to be a safety concern until AFTER the $39 dollar car tabs came into play...

**Nully** · 04-01-2016 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by getslideways

Not to mention WA is constantly trying to get you to put on new plates nearly every other registration, just so they can charge you for the new one, they barely have time to rust haha

Funny how that didnt seem to be a safety concern until AFTER the $39 dollar car tabs came into play...

That's good to hear they don't rust. In Ontario they didn't actually rust, they would start bubbling after a year:

I guess I'll see how long my WA plates last.

**egovreau** · 04-03-2016 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by getslideways

Not to mention WA is constantly trying to get you to put on new plates nearly every other registration, just so they can charge you for the new one, they barely have time to rust haha

Funny how that didnt seem to be a safety concern until AFTER the $39 dollar car tabs came into play...

I believe they make you get new plates every five or seven years. That's supposed to be as long as the reflective finish is supposed to last.

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**zps123** · 04-03-2016 12:20 AM

omfg i got pulled over too the other day! $136... I'm getting a hearing scheduled to see if the judge would drop the fine.... I'm running tow hook plate now :(. so ugly

**dufferdude** · 04-03-2016 07:02 AM

I thought that they did away with the 7 year replacement BS? Now every time its sold or bought the car gets new plates?
Im going to invest in that company. What a scam.
Cant really bitch too much, we elected those jackass's.

**getslideways** · 04-03-2016 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by dufferdude

I thought that they did away with the 7 year replacement BS? Now every time its sold or bought the car gets new plates?
Im going to invest in that company. What a scam.
Cant really bitch too much, we elected those jackass's.

Speaking of scams, lets not get started on the sales tax that gets charged with additional sale of the used vehicle.... what a joke. How many times can you re-tax the same item?

**dufferdude** · 04-03-2016 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by getslideways

Speaking of scams, lets not get started on the sales tax that gets charged with additional sale of the used vehicle.... what a joke. How many times can you re-tax the same item?

I agree 100% with you on this.
Plus the fact that you have to pay the tax on market value of the car.

Bought and sold the RS4, 3 times in 4 years. Do the math. Yeah she's worth it though. Vroom Vroom

**JeriQo** · 04-14-2016 08:44 AM

anyone rockin this kind of plate bracket? ran across this thread.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post11551063

ive been looking this bracket since im planning on getting a gloss black delete.
if anyone has purchased one or similar, pls post a link :)

**NorthWestB8** · 04-14-2016 10:25 AM

I don't think you could run that plate holder, only due to some cops would say it needs to be a minimum height for "visibility" reason. Sort of like you can't have your headlights lower than X inches

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**Chrisw023** · 04-14-2016 11:10 AM

I don't think that bracket would be an issue. I run angle brackets on my mr2 and Z that pretty much face the plate 45+ degrees down to the ground and have never been bothered since putting them on where as before with no plates. Both audis I just deal with the ugly look of them in their normal spots.

**JeriQo** · 04-15-2016 11:14 AM

are the plates drilled to the plate delete? what do you guys think?

**Strikered** · 04-15-2016 02:55 PM

I'm not a huge fan of the lower plate mount, primarily because it distorts the look of the grill itself. At that point, I rather just have it live within the space of the grill. Either way, it sucks!

I've yet to mount anything... may just wait until I get one of those $136 before I do anything about it, lol.