Free Updates: New APR ECUs (v2.3) and TCUs (v2.1.1) - Up to 387 HP / 409 FT-LBS!

[Arin@APR]

Today is a good day for the new MQB platform with two new updates!



Version 2.3 is Now Available for the North American MK7 Golf R and S3

Product Page: http://bit.ly/1O7exm9

APR is pleased to announce free updates to our existing North American MK7 Golf R and S3 ECU Upgrades! The new update brings several enhancements and improvements to our existing Stage I and Stage II ECU Upgrades. The upgrade address all reported issues with previous versions and adds several new torque levels to address concerns with slipping DSG / S Tronic and 6MT transmissions. Stage I is now offered with high and low torque variants, while Stage II is offered with high, medium and low torque variants. Each Stage’s High Output levels are offered with even more horsepower and torque than before! Please visit our product page for detailed power levels, requirements and more.

This update is offered for free to existing North American APR ECU Upgrade customers at all APR dealers and is currently available for all ECU box codes and revisions associated with the new North American Golf R and S3! Contact an APR dealer today to get updated!



FULL STAGE DETAILS / DYNO CHARTS FOR EACH STAGE, OCTANE, TORQUE LEVEL / ETC ON OUR WEBSITE

V1.0 to V2.3 Change Log
New Features:
  - Motorsport Rev limiter
  - 6MT standing  2-step limiter @ 4000 with boost building.
  - DSG standing limiter @ 5000 for free revving.
  - New Stage 1
    - Higher power / torque - figures on website. 
    - Requires stock downpipe. 
    - Compatible with other bolt-on modifications.
    - New High and Low Torque stages.
      - High Torque.
        - May require v2.1.1 (or higher) DSG / S Tronic software or 6MT clutch to prevent slip on a healthy transmission.
      - Low Torque.
        - Designed for healthy, unmodified DSG / S Tronic and 6MT transmission.
        - 91 Octane software provides the lowest torque.
      - Available for 91 AKI, 93 AKI and 100 AKI fuel. 
  - New Stage 2.
    - Higher power / torque - figures on website. 
    - Requires a high flow downpipe. 
    - Intake recommended to meet advertised power levels.
    - Compatible with other bolt-on modifications.
    - New High, Medium and Low Torque Stages.
      - High Torque.
        - Requires an intercooler to meet advertised power levels.
        - Requires v2.1.1 (or higher) DSG / S Tronic software.
         - Most likely requires a 6MT clutch to prevent slip on a healthy transmission.
      - Medium Torque.
        - May require v2.1.1 (or higher) DSG / S Tronic software or 6MT clutch to prevent slip on a healthy transmission.
      - Low Torque.
        - Designed for healthy, unmodified DSG / S Tronic and 6MT transmission.
        - Available for 91 AKI and 93 AKI fuel with MBT achieved on 93 AKI. 
 
Fixes:
  - Addressed all known fault codes, CEL and EPC reports (Camshaft position, DBW throttle monitoring, etc).
  - Calibration improved to prevent reaching fueling system limits (Mismatched ECU Stage vs Hardware Stage).
  - Fixed condition where Motorsport Limiter would limit torque after a gear change. 
  - Motorsport limiter now allows boost to be maintained with no throttle closure while active.
  - Minimized condition where DV would not close after a full throttle shift on manual cars (Factory issue). 
  - Audible part-throttle "sound" greatly reduced. May still be noticeable with an intake. 
  - Improved throttle response at low RPM during initial take off.
  - Fixed boost oscillation at low RPM in high gears.

APR is pleased to announce a free update to our existing MQB platform TCU Upgrades! Version 2.1.1 is now available for the new GTI, Golf R, A3, S3 and more and offers several enhancements and improvements over our previously released versions. The new versions brings increased clamping pressure to all vehicles at all stages, allowing the transmission to hold more torque without slipping. Launch control was improved with new torque management strategies, resulting in more consistent launches, faster torque onset, and varying torque ramp rates to help minimize wheel spin and short 1 -> 2 shifts. Based on customer feedback, part throttle shift maps were updated to prevent the transmission from racing to 6th gear, or toggling back and forth between 5th and 6th during cruising. Finally, also based on customer feedback, R/S3 platform vehicle’s 1 -> 2 part throttle shift map were adjusted to hold first gear longer.

This update is offered for free to existing APR TCU Upgrade customers at APR dealers across the globe and is currently available for over 70 different TCU box codes and revisions associated with the new GTI, Golf R, A3, S3 and more! Contact an APR dealer today to get updated!

FULL DETAILS ON FEATURES / RECOMMENDATIONS / ETC ON OUR WEBSITE

Change Log
- Increased clamping pressure past factory limits  on all vehicles / stages.
- LC enabled with ESP enabled or disabled.
- Faster torque onset after launch.
- Torque ramp rate adjusted to minimize wheel  spin and short 1 -> 2 shift.
- More consistent launches with torque management. 
- V2.0.1 - adjusted part throttle shift maps to  prevent racing to 6th (based on customer feedback).
- V2.0.1 - adjusted 5 / 6 shift maps to prevent toggling back and forth during cruising (based on customer feedback).
- V2.1.1 - adjusted 1 -> 2 part throttle shift map [R/S3 gearing] (based on customer feedback).

[Food4Audis]

Not another update...ugh haha

[Arin@APR]

Not another update...ugh haha

Made more power... You don't need to get it if you don't want it!

[P2WRTMR]

Is38 on a a3 upgrade?

[Food4Audis]

Made more power... You don't need to get it if you don't want it!

No I Definitely want it =)

[Arin@APR]

Is38 on a a3 upgrade?

We have that. WE also have new TCU software for the A3 now as well.

I've put 1K miles on the previous revisions, great software and no meaningful complaints, the car is a blast to drive now, but I do have one nit-pick, I see you guys have addressed the 6-5 overeager down-shifting, but I find 3-2, 4-3, and 5-4 to be a little overeager with part throttle as well (1/4 throttle).

It's mainly a little annoying in traffic, but so was the OEM setup, just in a different way.

Any plans to apply the same 6-5 fix between all gears?

Maybe at least letting comfort mode chill out a little more? (comfort mode == family mode, lol)

Thanks for the updates, you guys are putting the polish on it now, that's the funnest part.

Contact our support guys ([email protected]) and let them know what you're experiencing. We'll look at your particular box code and make sure everything is in order. Just like the factory stuff, some of this is opinion based, but the 5-6 thing we addressed wasn't. Anyways, we'll see what we can do.

-Arin

[MuchoQuattro]

We have that. WE also have new TCU software for the A3 now as well.



Contact our support guys ([email protected]) and let them know what you're experiencing. We'll look at your particular box code and make sure everything is in order. Just like the factory stuff, some of this is opinion based, but the 5-6 thing we addressed wasn't. Anyways, we'll see what we can do.

-Arin

Arin,

I'm so bummed. I got my '15 A3 TCU flash yesterday soley because of the announcement for the V.2.1.1 version. Yet, when my car was hooked up, only V.1.2 was available for my box code on your servers.

I now have to get my dealer to request that APR add my TCU box code be to this version. And there is no ETA for when this will be done!

Arin, how long does this process typically take! I just dropped a whack of cash on V1.2 when I was expecting V2.1.1.

Help!

Alan

2015 Audi A3 Technik S-Line.

[magnessr]

this is exciting. cant wait to pick my car up and put some mileage on it so I can get the tune.

[HurrayFive]

Noice noice, I'll take the free extra power ;)

Hopefully resolves the launch control woes. I went to the track two weeks ago, it was so packed I only got 2 runs in during a 3 hour period. 2 Challenger Hellcats died on the track that night, half an hour apart.

Anyway, both runs had solid 60's, 1.79 & 1.82, and my first run had a decent 1/8th mile of 7.9 @ 86MPH, but on that same run I was racing a very modified SLK55 AMG who exploded on the track right at the 1/8th mile and hit his brakes and I instinctively hit mine...finished 13.4 @ 85MPH, haha, my 1/8th trap was faster than my 1/4.

The 1-2 shift was fine on that run, but the 2-3 shifted early and slow, then I hit my brakes. My second run was even worse, the 1-2 shifted WAY early and then 2nd skipped straight to 3rd but paused for a second, violently enough to make me lurch forward. I finished 14.0 @ 95MPH. Super disappointing.

The car felt great on the way home and has since, no issues, but the launch control runs on a well prepped track were sad despite solid 60's. That best 60 is good for a high 11 second pass if the car behaved the rest of the run. This was on v2.2 & v2.0.1 with the mods in my signature, including the stickier Michelin Pilot Super Sport's in ~70F weather and 1100 ft above sea level, launching at 4500RPM and then 4000RPM the second run. Will head back after the free updates and hope for better times and DSG behavior! (And not hit my brakes)

[Arin@APR]

LC: Try it out. I'm sure you'll be happy. If not, send us feedback. :)

[Lusky]

I brought my 2016 A3 Quattro in to local shop today and we did Stage 1 ECU. We found out my box code was not ready for the new TCU yet so they extracted it and sent to APR. 30 minutes after I got home the shop called me and said APR sent it back and its ready to go so I drove back and had it done. Stage 1 power is strong and immediately obvious but now that the TCU has been done its amazing! This is a must do imo. Driving my car (had it for 2 weeks now) before the DSG seemed awkward and now with the flash its like a complete different, smooth for up and down shifts, power on tap at all speeds and rpm levels. Very Impressive!

Lusky

[JohnnyUtah787]

Man, all these tuning options sure don't make it an easy choice haha.

[Baggio]

I will doing a stage 1 ECU and TCU tune soon on my S3.

[roadrunner_oz]

How many updates does APR release? Suppose it is a BETA upgrade

[Baggio]

How many updates does APR release? Suppose it is a BETA upgrade

It's not beta if they released it. It's like updating your phone. The beta software goes to limited group, then it becomes a final when released to the general public. That's not to say that they won't release any more versions.

[markn1689]

Noice noice, I'll take the free extra power ;)

Hopefully resolves the launch control woes. I went to the track two weeks ago, it was so packed I only got 2 runs in during a 3 hour period. 2 Challenger Hellcats died on the track that night, half an hour apart.

Anyway, both runs had solid 60's, 1.79 & 1.82, and my first run had a decent 1/8th mile of 7.9 @ 86MPH, but on that same run I was racing a very modified SLK55 AMG who exploded on the track right at the 1/8th mile and hit his brakes and I instinctively hit mine...finished 13.4 @ 85MPH, haha, my 1/8th trap was faster than my 1/4.

The 1-2 shift was fine on that run, but the 2-3 shifted early and slow, then I hit my brakes. My second run was even worse, the 1-2 shifted WAY early and then 2nd skipped straight to 3rd but paused for a second, violently enough to make me lurch forward. I finished 14.0 @ 95MPH. Super disappointing.

The car felt great on the way home and has since, no issues, but the launch control runs on a well prepped track were sad despite solid 60's. That best 60 is good for a high 11 second pass if the car behaved the rest of the run. This was on v2.2 & v2.0.1 with the mods in my signature, including the stickier Michelin Pilot Super Sport's in ~70F weather and 1100 ft above sea level, launching at 4500RPM and then 4000RPM the second run. Will head back after the free updates and hope for better times and DSG behavior! (And not hit my brakes)

LoL.

[markn1689]

How many updates does APR release? Suppose it is a BETA upgrade

Yeah what the F. This is apr's 2nd update within just a few months. They don't seem to test their own stuff... I guess it's cheaper for them to let us test for them.. The peeps that just paid their dealer 100$ for a reflash to v2.0 need to go back to the dealer a cough up another $100 for v2.1. LMFAO what a fail... *shakes head in disappointment *. Stay tuned for v2.3 etc... What a nightmare. Another reason to go uni/eurodyne with the tune at home feature- actual free updates downloaded in the comfort of your garage. No dealer reflash $ scam.

[photocycler]

I assume this tune works for a 2016 2.0 A3? With an intake, what's the realistic gain with a stage 1 tune?


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[aj6]

I assume this tune works for a 2016 2.0 A3? With an intake, what's the realistic gain with a stage 1 tune?

From their site: ECU Upgrade
+87 HP @ 4,050 RPM
+114 TQ @ 3,800 RPM

Stage 1 from APR is most definitely worth it on the A3. It's a world of difference.

[HurrayFive]

Yeah what the F. This is apr's 2nd update within just a few months. They don't seem to test their own stuff... I guess it's cheaper for them to let us test for them.. The peeps that just paid their dealer 100$ for a reflash to v2.0 need to go back to the dealer a cough up another $100 for v2.1. LMFAO what a fail... *shakes head in disappointment *. Stay tuned for v2.3 etc... What a nightmare. Another reason to go uni/eurodyne with the tune at home feature- actual free updates downloaded in the comfort of your garage. No dealer reflash $ scam.

As both will13k7 and I (along with a few other member's) have said multiple times, our shops don't charge labor for the free updates. That's actually pretty common if you've got a decent shop. That some shop in Australia does isn't representative of the entire world.

It took me half an hour on my lunch break to pop over to my tuning shop, flash to v2.2 & v2.0.1 and get back to the office. Was not charged a dime in labor. The flash to v2.3 and 2.1.1 will be just as quick and painless.

You don't even run a tune, you're speaking nonsense to say any other vendor's is better without personal experience. I hope they are paying you well to pitch free advertising for them on this and every other forum, it's cute.

On top of that, as a software engineer myself, you're batshit crazy to think ANY piece of software EVER comes out of the gate @ 100% and will never need another update. Literally look at any piece of software in the history of ever, EVER, and they all receive updates based on feedback after release. Some companies charge for them. APR offers them free for life and in this instance found MORE power for FREE. My buddy runs GIAC in his S4 and has several little gripes with both the ECU and TCU tunes...not a single update released to address any of them since he was flashed almost a year ago. APR has been responsive and honest about feedback in their updates. You'd be the same douche complaining that APR wasn't responsive and providing enough updates if they did the opposite.

Go actually get tuned by any one of the companies you're slinging swill for, drive the car and provide honest feedback to make the community more effective. Whining like a baby in every APR thread adds nothing of value to this group.

[Baggio]

Yeah what the F. This is apr's 2nd update within just a few months. They don't seem to test their own stuff... I guess it's cheaper for them to let us test for them.. The peeps that just paid their dealer 100$ for a reflash to v2.0 need to go back to the dealer a cough up another $100 for v2.1. LMFAO what a fail... *shakes head in disappointment *. Stay tuned for v2.3 etc... What a nightmare. Another reason to go uni/eurodyne with the tune at home feature- actual free updates downloaded in the comfort of your garage. No dealer reflash $ scam.

My shop reflashes for free. Not only are you a troll you are a dumbass.

[Lusky]

I assume this tune works for a 2016 2.0 A3? With an intake, what's the realistic gain with a stage 1 tune?


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Friday I got the ECU and TCU on my 2016 A3 that only has 300 ish miles on it. The car is totally transformed! My shop also reflashes for free for updates or fuel changes. I will be skipping Stage 2 straight to Stage 3 in a few weeks.

Lusky

[markn1689]

As both will13k7 and I (along with a few other member's) have said multiple times, our shops don't charge labor for the free updates. That's actually pretty common if you've got a decent shop. That some shop in Australia does isn't representative of the entire world.

It took me half an hour on my lunch break to pop over to my tuning shop, flash to v2.2 & v2.0.1 and get back to the office. Was not charged a dime in labor. The flash to v2.3 and 2.1.1 will be just as quick and painless.

You don't even run a tune, you're speaking nonsense to say any other vendor's is better without personal experience. I hope they are paying you well to pitch free advertising for them on this and every other forum, it's cute.

On top of that, as a software engineer myself, you're batshit crazy to think ANY piece of software EVER comes out of the gate @ 100% and will never need another update. Literally look at any piece of software in the history of ever, EVER, and they all receive updates based on feedback after release. Some companies charge for them. APR offers them free for life and in this instance found MORE power for FREE. My buddy runs GIAC in his S4 and has several little gripes with both the ECU and TCU tunes...not a single update released to address any of them since he was flashed almost a year ago. APR has been responsive and honest about feedback in their updates. You'd be the same douche complaining that APR wasn't responsive and providing enough updates if they did the opposite.

Go actually get tuned by any one of the companies you're slinging swill for, drive the car and provide honest feedback to make the community more effective. Whining like a baby in every APR thread adds nothing of value to this group.

Lol yeah it sounds like your tune is working out great! 14 sec 1/4mi @95mph. Skipping gears and all. Round of applause.

The shops around me do charge and most are around 1-200$. Enjoy your gear skipping issues.

[aj6]

Lol yeah it sounds like your tune is working out great! 14 sec 1/4mi @95mph. Skipping gears and all. Round of applause.

The shops around me do charge and most are around 1-200$. Enjoy your gear skipping issues.

I feel sorry for your car, driven by such a unsophisticated human specimen. An Audi deserves better than you.

[HurrayFive]

Lol yeah it sounds like your tune is working out great! 14 sec 1/4mi @95mph. Skipping gears and all. Round of applause.

The shops around me do charge and most are around 1-200$. Enjoy your gear skipping issues.

The difference between you and me is I'm actually running the software and providing honest feedback based on results. The latest track visit was not a good one and I was clear on that; the car still feels great, and I don't revert to being a child with a tantrum going on about how much APR sucks because I had one bad experience. We'll try the latest updates and see how she does, it's part of tuning & racing a car beyond factory. Not every day goes your way. Some of us get it, some of, well you, don't.

You're comically ignorant and I love your replies if only for the fact you dig deeper into that hole every time you post. We all love your made up contributions on tunes you've never run, and all those pesky "shops around you" that charge for what just about any other shop in the US does for free. "Yeah, you really showed them!" Said nobody ever after reading your drivel.

[photocycler]

Friday I got the ECU and TCU on my 2016 A3 that only has 300 ish miles on it. The car is totally transformed! My shop also reflashes for free for updates or fuel changes. I will be skipping Stage 2 straight to Stage 3 in a few weeks.

Lusky

I was wondering how many miles were recommended first before the upgrade. Only have 200 miles and thought I read somewhere that I should at least give it 1,000 miles before considering.

[aj6]

I was wondering how many miles were recommended first before the upgrade. Only have 200 miles and thought I read somewhere that I should at least give it 1,000 miles before considering.

Just out of abundance of caution, I'd give it at least 1,000 miles first, and give it some hard driving within that thousand. There's a few examples out there that had turbos that just didn't have the right stuff and they failed pretty quickly. Better to be somewhat assured you've got a solid one before doing any mods.

Besides, spending a few thousand miles getting familiar with the stock platform will only make it more sweet once you hit the upgrade button!

[S3Danny]

Lol yeah it sounds like your tune is working out great! 14 sec 1/4mi @95mph. Skipping gears and all. Round of applause.

The shops around me do charge and most are around 1-200$. Enjoy your gear skipping issues.

Post reported. Again. Hopefully the administration of this site is now taking notice and you won't be here much longer.

Do you even own one of these cars or do you just troll in your free time? You do realize that nobody takes you seriously so you are only serving to make yourself look like more and more of a clown right?

[roadrunner_oz]

@roadrunner_oz @markn1689 you don't run APR tunes so why do you care? (rhetorical question as I know you guys are angry with APR).

For the rest of us who actually run these tunes, it is awesome APR keeps making them better.

They optimized stage2 for an intercooler now, got more power, made versions for those who are worried about too much torque, and fixed some issues some folks were running into. All win for those who run APR's stuff.

By the way, my shop doesn't charge for re-flashes.

Good day Sirs.

I ran APR both ECU and TCU tunes. Their support sucks and denial of issues and fixing problems reported by customers is BS. Just my experience dealing with them. The continual release of fixes and patches is evidence that APR do not get things right first time and release tunes without proper testing. I had no problem with their ECU tune it was solid and very impressive, but their TCU tune was absolute cr@p and not tested properly.

[S3Danny]

The continual release of fixes and patches is evidence that APR do not get things right first time and release tunes without proper testing.

That's the software development cycle. Literally everything gets software updates all the time - I woke up this morning to my phone saying there is an update available, does that mean that Apple doesn't know what they're doing and didn't properly test the last release? The fact that APR is providing updates shows that they are committed to the making the product better - they are burning R&D hours to provide free updates. If they were only interested in making dollars and not providing support then they would have sent version 1.0 out the door and never looked back.

[markn1689]

part of the dev cycle is quality assurance and testing. and when you cant simply download a patch fix- it makes testing/QA WAAAAY more important before the product is released to the masses.

@s3danny just because you don't like someones opinion and you get enraged doesn't mean you can go report people. learn how to internet bro- its a car forum... we discuss cars- and part of that discussion involve tuners. some we like some we don't for various reasons- that is not grounds to report someone. if you don't like it then turn your computer off

[S3Danny]

part of the dev cycle is quality assurance and testing. and when you cant simply download a patch fix- it makes testing/QA WAAAAY more important before the product is released to the masses.

Luckily in this instance end users are able to stop by their local dealer and simply download the update whenever they like. It's not like there is a major flaw and the cars currently don't run, this is just a further improvement. Apparently a free update that provides improvements in all areas isn't good enough for some, though.

@s3danny just because you don't like someones opinion and you get enraged doesn't mean you can go report people. learn how to internet bro- its a car forum... we discuss cars- and part of that discussion involve tuners. some we like some we don't for various reasons- that is not grounds to report someone. if you don't like it then turn your computer off

There's a big difference between voicing your opinion like an adult and trolling forums like a child.

[Baggio]

part of the dev cycle is quality assurance and testing. and when you cant simply download a patch fix- it makes testing/QA WAAAAY more important before the product is released to the masses.

@s3danny just because you don't like someones opinion and you get enraged doesn't mean you can go report people. learn how to internet bro- its a car forum... we discuss cars- and part of that discussion involve tuners. some we like some we don't for various reasons- that is not grounds to report someone. if you don't like it then turn your computer off

What are you basing your opinions on? The handful of people that have had problems or the thousands of others who have had good experiences? It's not like you have the tune and have first hand experience with it. It's hard to believe that someone that doesn't have any first hand experience would have such negative opinions about it. No product is going to have 100% satisfaction.

[GramCracker]

What are you basing your opinions on? The handful of people that have had problems or the thousands of others who have had good experiences? It's not like you have the tune and have first hand experience with it. It's hard to believe that someone that doesn't have any first hand experience would have such negative opinions about it. No product is going to have 100% satisfaction.

I rarely chime in on these threads because it never goes anywhere and it's a shit slinging fest. Never thought I'd openly admit this but I do agree with Mark when it comes to APR.

I'm basing my opinion off of what I have seen over the past 5-6 years of perusing various sections of these AZ forms, as well as other Audi enthusiast forms, that APR is pretty shit. They rely HEAVILY on flashy marketing with a weak product to back it up. Frankly, I am never putting a product of theirs on any of my cars if I can help it. After their entire management fiasco, mishandling customer and company money, the B8 S4 product suite, Mangrove Equity's "take over," some of their business practices (namely Arin being a terrible rep IMO - granted he has been much better as of recent), and among other various APR tune related experiences/mishaps I have witnessed and read over the past 5 to 6 years - they have a lot of work to do in my eyes before I ever give them my money again.

I'd love for this to not be the case, as APR has been around and supporting our community for years, but unfortunately this is where I stand until they can prove otherwise that they truly know what they are doing and have turned a new leaf from days of old.

[aj6]

its a car forum... we discuss cars- and part of that discussion involve tuners. some we like some we don't for various reasons- that is not grounds to report someone.

He's reporting you because you are making nuisance posts based on no personal observations, only opinions. You've said again and again you have never been tuned and have no aspirations to.

Even though this is the internet we can still hold ourselves to a higher standard of exchange, one based in observation and/or hypothesis and testing. This is why @roadrunneroz doesn't bother me so much [edit: also GramCracker], because he has legitimate gripes with APR Australia, and the parent company via association. You on the other hand, are simply polluting this community with anti-intellectual, non-constructive flame posts, that only serve to make yourself look like an uneducated fool. And as this is the internet, "bro", I have to assume that is what you are indeed.

[Baggio]

I rarely chime in on these threads because it never goes anywhere and it's a shit slinging fest. Never thought I'd openly admit this but I do agree with Mark when it comes to APR.

I'm basing my opinion off of what I have seen over the past 5-6 years of perusing various sections of these AZ forms, as well as other Audi enthusiast forms, that APR is pretty shit. They rely HEAVILY on flashy marketing with a weak product to back it up. Frankly, I am never putting a product of theirs on any of my cars if I can help it. After their entire management fiasco, mishandling customer and company money, the B8 S4 product suite, Mangrove Equity's "take over," some of their business practices (namely Arin being a terrible rep IMO - granted he has been much better as of recent), and among other various APR tune related experiences/mishaps I have witnessed and read over the past 5 to 6 years - they have a lot of work to do in my eyes before I ever give them my money again.

I'd love for this to not be the case, as APR has been around and supporting our community for years, but unfortunately this is where I stand until they can prove otherwise that they truly know what they are doing and have turned a new leaf from days of old.

At least you back your claim with facts. Mark has been claiming you have to pay $200 for reflashes for updates, which is not true. All the updates are free.

[aj6]

At least you back your claim with facts. Mark has been claiming you have to pay $200 for reflashes for updates, which is not true. All the updates are free.

Some shops do charge a bench fee. Mostly I've found this to be true in areas that don't have much competition, or at extremely high end shops. Charleston is served by European Road and Racing, which is both cases, and they generally charge for bench labor for whatever updates I need. I circumvent this when I can by getting my updates at APR in Opelika/Auburn (did undergrad there) when I find myself in town.

Wish it wasn't the case but for some shops it is.

[Baggio]

Some shops do charge a bench fee. Mostly I've found this to be true in areas that don't have much competition, or at extremely high end shops. Charleston is served by European Road and Racing, which is both cases, and they generally charge for bench labor for whatever updates I need. I circumvent this when I can by getting my updates at APR in Opelika/Auburn (did undergrad there) when I find myself in town.

Wish it wasn't the case but for some shops it is.

Well, that seems more like a shop issue, than an issue with APR. That sucks if that is the case. No problem getting free updates here.

[markn1689]

He's reporting you because you are making nuisance posts based on no personal observations, only opinions. You've said again and again you have never been tuned and have no aspirations to.

Even though this is the internet we can still hold ourselves to a higher standard of exchange, one based in observation and/or hypothesis and testing. This is why @roadrunneroz doesn't bother me so much [edit: also GramCracker], because he has legitimate gripes with APR Australia, and the parent company via association. You on the other hand, are simply polluting this community with anti-intellectual, non-constructive flame posts, that only serve to make yourself look like an uneducated fool. And as this is the internet, "bro", I have to assume that is what you are indeed.

So in order to make a comment I need to have bought the software and tried it?
LOL Terrible logic. My observations are based on facts posted in the forum. They updated their tcu software twice in the past month... Based on that FACT it tells me that they barley tested the product before releasing it.

At least you back your claim with facts. Mark has been claiming you have to pay $200 for reflashes for updates, which is not true. All the updates are free.

the update may be free but the dealers time to reflash is not.

[Baggio]

So in order to make a comment I need to have bought the software and tried it?
LOL Terrible logic. My observations are based on facts posted in the forum. They updated their tcu software twice in the past month... Based on that FACT it tells me that they barley tested the product before releasing it.



the update may be free but the dealers time to reflash is not.

So blaming APR for shop time. Every dealer around here reflashes for free. Shops around must suck.

My logic is that you have no personal experience with any tune. Your observations are based off few with bad experiences when there are a lot more with good experiences. You complain about the updates. But at least they fix problems that occur. Would you rather they not fix the problems that pop up from time to time?


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