Eurodyne just released their unlocked flash kit for 2016 cars.

[tateltot]

And I literally just installed my JB1 yesterday. Heh! I don't regret going with the JB1, but this could be a great option when I move to Stage 2 (assuming APR hasn't answered the flash-it-yourself market).

Stage 1 91 octane : 45 hp and 70 FT lbs torque,

Stage 1.5 91 octane: 60 hp and 88 Ft lbs torque,

Stage 1.5 93 octane: 71 hp and 100 Ft lbs torque.

Stage 2.0 91 octane: 96 hp and 123 Ft lbs torque.

Stage 2.0 93 octane: 102 hp and 136 Ft lbs torque.

http://www.eurodyne.ca/2016-ecus-for...-gti-unlocked/

http://www.eurodyne.ca/shop/uncategorized/mqbs3/

[PRGRMMR]

No joke, I just installed my JB1 two days ago... Luckily BMS has a 14 day return policy for the tuners, so I'll be sending it back on Monday and I just ordered my Eurodyne today.

If you order on USP Motorsports, they have a $30 off code right now "MAR161". I'm an idiot and completely forgot to put it in before placing my order... But I emailed them, so I'm hoping they credit it.

I'm pumped to get an ECU tune that I can do from home though! For some reason they don't advertise the DSG tune, but that is also available and if I remember correctly, its like $375.

[tekkie]

The question is stock really stock and can the dealer detect it was reflashed

[Stam4765]

The question is stock really stock and can the dealer detect it was reflashed

My dealer couldn't detect when i used to take it back to stock. I asked them to specifically look.

As a side note, the stage 2 ED tune is unbelievably awesome. It doesn't pull as much on the high end (90+MPH) as the Uni tune (i own both for comparison), but its so much torque it makes driving around very fun and quick. I highly recommend it to anyone interested.

[JohnnyUtah787]

No joke, I just installed my JB1 two days ago... Luckily BMS has a 14 day return policy for the tuners, so I'll be sending it back on Monday and I just ordered my Eurodyne today.

If you order on USP Motorsports, they have a $30 off code right now "MAR161". I'm an idiot and completely forgot to put it in before placing my order... But I emailed them, so I'm hoping they credit it.

I'm pumped to get an ECU tune that I can do from home though! For some reason they don't advertise the DSG tune, but that is also available and if I remember correctly, its like $375.

Where do they have the DSG tune listed? I didn't see it on their website.

[coolwater]

Yes had Eurodyne for 4 months now and no issues at all. Have to be careful as you'll come up on triple digits quickly.

-cW

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[Stam4765]

The DSG tune isnt on the site but its in their flash software once you download it. It should tell you if there is an available DSG tune for your TCU.

[PRGRMMR]

My dealer couldn't detect when i used to take it back to stock. I asked them to specifically look.

As a side note, the stage 2 ED tune is unbelievably awesome. It doesn't pull as much on the high end (90+MPH) as the Uni tune (i own both for comparison), but its so much torque it makes driving around very fun and quick. I highly recommend it to anyone interested.

I'm pumped for it! I have a CTS Catted Downpipe, AFE Drop-in filter, with stock airbox mods, so I think I'll definitely benefit from Stage 2. I see that you have a P3 gauge. Have you done any 0-60 runs on Stage 2? I've been seeing 3.6-3.8s 0-60 times for just Stage 1.5, but haven't seen any Stage 2 numbers yet. I'm hoping to get into the 11sec 1/4 mile this year, or close to it.

Where do they have the DSG tune listed? I didn't see it on their website.

I'm not sure what the rules are here for linking to another forum, but this is where I've seen it: http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11891 I know the thread is in the GTI section, but they talk about the Golf R and S3, throughout that thread as well. Maybe someone here with an S3 could confirm that it is listed as an available tune when plugged into the car?

The question is stock really stock and can the dealer detect it was reflashed

This is one of those things that if they spent the time investigating it deep enough, I'm sure they could figure it out. From what I understand, its not just a "similar to stock" tune like some of the other tunes. It also resets the flash counter, which I think would be what they would use to determine that it was flashed.

[tateltot]

Yes had Eurodyne for 4 months now and no issues at all. Have to be careful as you'll come up on triple digits quickly.

-cW

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Problems, problems.

[tateltot]

Oh, one curious thing: They don't really explain hardware prerequisites on their site. I assume stage 1 and 1.5 are no mods/maybe intake? Stage 2 requires DP?

[Z32drifter]

Alright I can finally make the check engine light from my down pipe go away. Does Eurodyne let you store your factory stock flash to be reloaded or a simulated "stock" flash?

[tateltot]

Factory stock. And they supposedly reset your flash counter.

[JohnnyUtah787]

Oh, one curious thing: They don't really explain hardware prerequisites on their site. I assume stage 1 and 1.5 are no mods/maybe intake? Stage 2 requires DP?

No expert, but I believe 1 and 1.5 will run on stock hardware. 2 will require downpipe and intake.

[Nathing32]

I flashed the 1.5 tune on my S3 a few weeks ago and saw that the TCU tune was available from the Eurodyne server. Still debating wether or not to give it a try. I have a Feb 2015 build car so I can't say for sure that the post March 2015 cars will also have the TCU tune available.

It would make me a lot more confident if USP and/or Eurodyne would start advertising the TCU tune. Otherwise you kinda feel like a beta tester...

[coolwater]

I flashed the 1.5 tune on my S3 a few weeks ago and saw that the TCU tune was available from the Eurodyne server. Still debating wether or not to give it a try. I have a Feb 2015 build car so I can't say for sure that the post March 2015 cars will also have the TCU tune available.

It would make me a lot more confident if USP and/or Eurodyne would start advertising the TCU tune. Otherwise you kinda feel like a beta tester...

It's a little rocket now right? :)))

-cW

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[DarkSideGTI]

The question is stock really stock and can the dealer detect it was reflashed

There is a flash counter and it can't be reset. so even if you flash a stock file back on, they can still see the counter.

[14S4GWM]

There is a flash counter and it can't be reset. so even if you flash a stock file back on, they can still see the counter.

I thought APR was the only one that reset the flash counter?

[coolwater]

Eurodyne claims to reset it on the s3. Remember the mk7 gti guys confirmed it for their cars.

-cW

[RyanS3]

the real question for the OP is why would you not consider UNI?

[RyanS3]

And I literally just installed my JB1 yesterday. Heh! I don't regret going with the JB1, but this could be a great option when I move to Stage 2 (assuming APR hasn't answered the flash-it-yourself market).

the #'s you posted look solid. and def impressive.
I do prefer a real tune though. it's not a honda, after-all, this is an Audi S3.

but with respect, the real question for you, OP, is why would you not consider UNI?
have you driven a mk6 or mk7 uni car?
UM hit a homerun with the mk6, would you not consider them, if they had a flash at home?
why only APR?
I really need to start questioning people's judgement.

1. UNI has flash at home. it's great. there is no reason to wait for APR to get flash at home. the UNI software and the process are flawless. I've had their tune on my golf r and now S3 for 20,000 miles combined.

2. it is my opinion that APR will never offer flash at home b/c their dealers will freak out on them. the dealers benefit from all the updates that APR forces their customers to get. from a business perspective, it makes sense for the dealers to be upset by flash at home. when the customer can't flash at home... more $ for the dealer. more face to face contact. more ability to sell hw.

just b/c UNI doesn't spend as much money on their tents and trailers, doesn't mean that the software is inferior in any way. in fact, their (UNI) tunes feel more polished. more refined. more oem+. but with the same gains*

*when I say same gains, I'm suggesting that all the big boys UM UNI APR GIAC all probably make the same gains within 2-3%.
for me, if they all gain around the same area.... delivery and reliability is key to me. polished tune that feels oem+, that I can turn on/off from my driveway, from a company who waits until a tune is ready to release it.

hope this helps in some way.

[tateltot]

the #'s you posted look solid. and def impressive.
I do prefer a real tune though. it's not a honda, after-all, this is an Audi S3.

but with respect, the real question for you, OP, is why would you not consider UNI?
have you driven a mk6 or mk7 uni car?
UM hit a homerun with the mk6, would you not consider them, if they had a flash at home?
why only APR?
I really need to start questioning people's judgement.

1. UNI has flash at home. it's great. there is no reason to wait for APR to get flash at home. the UNI software and the process are flawless. I've had their tune on my golf r and now S3 for 20,000 miles combined.

2. it is my opinion that APR will never offer flash at home b/c their dealers will freak out on them. the dealers benefit from all the updates that APR forces their customers to get. from a business perspective, it makes sense for the dealers to be upset by flash at home. when the customer can't flash at home... more $ for the dealer. more face to face contact. more ability to sell hw.

just b/c UNI doesn't spend as much money on their tents and trailers, doesn't mean that the software is inferior in any way. in fact, their (UNI) tunes feel more polished. more refined. more oem+. but with the same gains*

*when I say same gains, I'm suggesting that all the big boys UM UNI APR GIAC all probably make the same gains within 2-3%.
for me, if they all gain around the same area.... delivery and reliability is key to me. polished tune that feels oem+, that I can turn on/off from my driveway, from a company who waits until a tune is ready to release it.

hope this helps in some way.

Whoa there, buckaroo. I know Uni did a great job. I don't need the pitch. :)

As far as I know, Uni doesn't have a cracked ECU flash yet.

[RyanS3]

Whoa there, buckaroo. I know Uni did a great job. I don't need the pitch. :)

As far as I know, Uni doesn't have a cracked ECU flash yet.

I bet they're close to releasing the tune for the newer S3's! I hope.

[bent]

The 800 lbs elephant in the room for me is to get 100% confirmation and clarification on 3 things.
1) Does Uni or ED reset the flash counter? If yes, how do you know what it was before the flash and what it is after? Where does it tell you?
2) Do you back up your entire ECU image before flashing? I'd like to know more details what each system does to back up the original ECU image as it would be imperative to restore it exactly how it was.
3) Does 2016 do anything different than 2015 models? It's locked so is there any other sneaky detection flags in place?

I for one am not flash a damn thing is there either of these are not bullet proof as I cant afford to pay for a replacement engine or transmission.

[coolwater]

Just get extra insurance in case the engine blows up.
Audi can detect anything if they dig deep enough. Even if you run a piggy back and was never tuned.

Get geico MBI coverage, set aside $250 for when things go south. Flash it back to stock, if dealer flags you then use Geico to cover.

-cW

[Nathing32]

It's a little rocket now right? :)))

-cW

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Exactly!

Have you tried the TCU tune yet?

[PRGRMMR]

Just get extra insurance in case the engine blows up.
Audi can detect anything if they dig deep enough. Even if you run a piggy back and was never tuned.

Get geico MBI coverage, set aside $250 for when things go south. Flash it back to stock, if dealer flags you then use Geico to cover.

-cW

This is exactly what I did. I actually already had MBI on my car, and didn't realize it until I checked my insurance policy.

There is obviously still the risk of Geico denying the claiming after Audi denies it. But after doing some research I came across this story (https://www.reddit.com/r/Audi/commen...ce_xpost_cars/), which is one of the worst case scenarios you could end up in... Engine blows, car was tune, dealership is not mod friendly and is intentionally trying to screw you over, Audi denies warranty, but Geico steps in and takes care of things. You'll have to scroll down to the very bottom to read his update on Geico MBI covering it.

My fear of flashing my ECU was that something else was going to go wrong with the car, completely unrelated to the tune, and I would have to pay for it. With MBI, I feel quite a bit more comfortable. Now if something goes south and it is because of the tuning and modifications I've done to the car, I accept responsibility for that and will suffer the consequences if it comes down to it.

[selp]

I bet they're close to releasing the tune for the newer S3's! I hope.

"close" ..
Ive been waiting.. for a while.
To the point that Eurodyne is looking a very good option. but... All the added extra torque on the Stage 2 tune scares me. Especially on 91 octane - 123 ft/lbs.
I am sure those runs werent tested in temperatures near those of Arizona Hot Desert..

[tateltot]

I won't be running stage two, but I'm happy to do some EGT feedback for you.

[Blaine]

"close" ..
Ive been waiting.. for a while.
To the point that Eurodyne is looking a very good option. but... All the added extra torque on the Stage 2 tune scares me. Especially on 91 octane - 123 ft/lbs.
I am sure those runs werent tested in temperatures near those of Arizona Hot Desert..

Until there is an actual TQ number found in these cars causing an actual DST part failure... nothing to worry about. See the APR Stage 3.. TQ is MUCH MUCH higher and the DST holds up. You can get slip in the pressure plates, but that can be upgraded.

and with ANY increase in BOOST.... and Intercooler Upgrade is a no brainer especially if your in AZ.

[selp]

Already have HG Intercooler, and will be installing Bull-X Catless, and Intake next weekend.
All I will need is the software, so .. well see what happens. I am planning on tracking the car occasionally, so I want to make sure it can hold up.

Until there is an actual TQ number found in these cars causing an actual DST part failure... nothing to worry about. See the APR Stage 3.. TQ is MUCH MUCH higher and the DST holds up. You can get slip in the pressure plates, but that can be upgraded.

and with ANY increase in BOOST.... and Intercooler Upgrade is a no brainer especially if your in AZ.

[tateltot]

My flash kit comes tomorrow. VERY excited.

[JohnnyUtah787]

Very much torn between Eurodyne and UNItronic. Like that both have the flash from home capabilities. Dislike how much lower the torque is on UNI compared to ED (and APR). Like that UNI has a TCU tune. Dislike that ED seems to have a TCU tune but I haven't heard much about it. Like the reassurance I've gotten from a local Audi dealer that sells UNI that if anything goes wrong they will do their best to not screw me over. Decisions....

[selp]

Can you run a mix (E85/91 octane)?

[PRGRMMR]

Got my Powertap today and flashed Stage 2 91 at lunch. Ended up taking a longer than I was hoping for, but totally worth it!

I went straight from a JB1 to this tune. The biggest difference I noticed was how smooooth the delivery of power was. Like so smooth I felt like the car was slower when I first pulled out onto the main road and accelerated. I was used to the JB1 punching you in the face with boost right when you hit 2.5k RPMs. With the Eurodyne its much better in lower gears and lower RPMs, then its builds up, sucks you in your seat and keeps you there. I mean it REALLLY keeps you in your seat. It pulls hard!

I'm going to go do some 0-60 runs tonight to see how it compares to my stock times and jb1 times. I'm also curious how the DSG will hold up to a launch on Stage 2 without the DSG tune.

Has anyone here got the DSG tune? I know there are several people out there with it. I'm sure I'll end up getting it. I just don't want to end up in the situation the APR guys did with the early DSG tune, and have it run worse than stock.

[Nathing32]

I'd love to hear from people with the DSG tune as well. Anyone want to post a review? Anyone? Pretty please?

[PRGRMMR]

Well I can't say that I didn't expect some slippage with Stage 2 and no DSG tune... You can't have that much torque with out extra clamping pressure. BUT, its only when doing launch control. No problems other than that!

I tried to see if a DSG tune was available for my car, and there isn't :/ it might just be a matter of sending off my TCU ID and getting it added to the DB. But I'll definitely need it if I want to launch anytime soon.

[PRGRMMR]

I forgot to add one of the coolest things I've done with the Eurodyne so far! Its not advertised much because its not very user friendly, but the long coding abilities it has allow you to make come VCDS changes.

Things I've done so far: Added Oil Temp to Digital Speedometer, Opened exhaust flaps, and passenger mirror dip in reverse.

My soundaktor was unplugged, otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have adjusted the volume of that. But so far I'm pretty sure we can do any long coding that VCDS can do. Just have to know the controller and the bits to flip in which byte.

[eXhilarat3d]

I forgot to add one of the coolest things I've done with the Eurodyne so far! Its not advertised much because its not very user friendly, but the long coding abilities it has allow you to make come VCDS changes.

Things I've done so far: Added Oil Temp to Digital Speedometer, Opened exhaust flaps, and passenger mirror dip in reverse.

My soundaktor was unplugged, otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have adjusted the volume of that. But so far I'm pretty sure we can do any long coding that VCDS can do. Just have to know the controller and the bits to flip in which byte.

That's an awesome bit of information! If you can disable winking on the DRLs when signaling, I'm going to have to grab the tune and enlist your assistance in setting everything up!

[selp]

I ordered my powertap tool as well.
There is a DSG tune available for our cars, it will be added to Eurodynes website soon, and I would assume USP and other vendors as well.

[coolwater]

I forgot to add one of the coolest things I've done with the Eurodyne so far! Its not advertised much because its not very user friendly, but the long coding abilities it has allow you to make come VCDS changes.

Things I've done so far: Added Oil Temp to Digital Speedometer, Opened exhaust flaps, and passenger mirror dip in reverse.

My soundaktor was unplugged, otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have adjusted the volume of that. But so far I'm pretty sure we can do any long coding that VCDS can do. Just have to know the controller and the bits to flip in which byte.

This is very Kool, did not know that I can vagcom with it.
Glad you are liking the ED tune. Daily driving and stop light pulls are very fun now. Not a lot of cars can keep up. I've had quite a few drivers look dumfounded and pissed that they couldn't pull on me. :)))

-cW