The "What's APR Working On Next" Speculation Thread

[jran76]

There was a comment from Arin@APR in the S3/Golf R Stage 3 thread that has sparked some conversation about what APR is up to on the B8/8.5 S4. Here's you place to discuss and speculate. Should be interesting to see where this goes....

Yeah, we haven't "given up" on the s4. The 1740 is what it is. Everyone wanted more, including us, but physics is physics. Anyways, we have something coming for you guys for a real nice jump in power and torque. And no... Nothing like what we're going to be providing already exists by other tuners.

Dual pulley

See end of quote.

My guess is also some type of turbo upgrade/conversion. I think Arin tried to give it away in some of his Facebook posts.....

Arin's Facebook post (in response to a discussion on twin-charging, and roots vs. twin-screw supercharger upgrades):
Efficiency: Small, large, thin, wide, short, long, 3 lobe, 4 lobe, twin screw, tvs, roots, etc.... It doesn't matter what you use, efficiency is going to make a very tiny difference. If you want more power, you'll need to turn up the boost, but unfortunately anything much over a bar gets pretty hot pretty quickly. Turbos, on on the other hand, are a different story.

Depending on your opinion of "high power" turbocharging is really one of the only ways to do it on pump fuel. Lots of challenges though. I know no customer would accept a kit from APR that wasn't 100% integrated into the factory ecu, with no cutting and trimming, no emissions deletes and tons of other requirements.

[Lamprey]

I certainly hope they continue to do development on this platform because I have one. But, also, because I think the secondary market for the B8 & 8.5 will be getting larger, which could mean more potential sales. However, given the negativity towards APR on these forums, it almost makes more sense to just walk away from this platform and start anew on the turbo charged S4 (B9?).

If they do come out with a turbo swap for our cars, that would be interesting indeed!

[fitzydude]

I certainly hope they continue to do development on this platform because I have one. But, also, because I think the secondary market for the B8 & 8.5 will be getting larger, which could mean more potential sales. However, given the negativity towards APR on these forums, it almost makes more sense to just walk away from this platform and start anew on the turbo charged S4 (B9?).

If they do come out with a turbo swap for our cars, that would be interesting indeed!

Yeah this is what I was thinking. Perhaps they're just hinting they will move on and start working on the B9 with the turbo.

[Hofahome]

My question is why he doesn't post his thoughts about the platform here. I have nothing against Arin or APR (in fact they tend to make high quality kits) but opening lines of communication would go along way to settle the prior issues.

[cspcrx]

^ to many just flame them. I kind of do not blame them for not. This is a tough group to say the least.

[scottycs]

so the stage 3 supercharger was 10k, turbo kit 20k?

[cspcrx]

^ see

I hope what is next is a sale! I am ready to go stage2 just waiting on a sale. GIAC just announced one, APR needs to step up.

[Hofahome]

Oh I get it. I just saw their release for stg III S3. 5k and you have a 10 sec car. I think if they cut their losses on the 1740 and sold it at that price people would do it. At this point we all know $10k is a joke considering its performance.

[B8 S4]

Maybe they will ditch the blower and do a single turbo? That would be my guess instead of a dual setup

[doug97gxe]

I'm assuming if Arin or anyone else from APR responds to this it will turn into another "2 weeks" bashing session

[cjw]

You can't convert an engine to a hot V, but I would guess a turbo.

[BDP]

5k and you have a 10 sec car.

I think their marketing worked on you. The 10 second pass from what I saw was on a STG3 "+" car. The fuel kit upgrade for that is $1500. You also need to tack on a bunch of other tertiaries like intercooler, exhaust, intake etc. to get to the same level of the 10 second car. At any rate it's not 5k for a 10 second car by any stretch.

I realize there will be extras needed for the S4 as well on its upgrade path but I just want to put things into perspective. You are probably looking at around 8k plus to get to that 10 second range in an S3 or Golf R.

[shoe3k]

My question is why he doesn't post his thoughts about the platform here. I have nothing against Arin or APR (in fact they tend to make high quality kits) but opening lines of communication would go along way to settle the prior issues.

Any time I hear about some sort of hype for a product from "any" company I always think of this:

[scottycs]

ask them how their DSG tune is coming along, they are "looking into it."

[waxxonMTL]

honestly.. after 5 month of ownership, I have to say screw the big name.. the futur is EPL and 034 ( although I'm starting to loose faint in them.. it's been 3-4 month and just like APR..the response has been '' it's coming'' ).

[Sailingtime]

I certainly hope they continue to do development on this platform because I have one. But, also, because I think the secondary market for the B8 & 8.5 will be getting larger, which could mean more potential sales. However, given the negativity towards APR on these forums, it almost makes more sense to just walk away from this platform and start anew on the turbo charged S4 (B9?).

If they do come out with a turbo swap for our cars, that would be interesting indeed!

That's exactly what representative from R&D told me at 2015 Waterfest in NJ. At that point he also told me what the B9 is going to be and everything came through correct. With that in mind I have no reason to disbelief him. Our platform is pretty much done, they might do some tweaking here and there but don't expect any big news for our platform from APR.

Turbo has so much more potential, then SC and is cheaper to tune so it's no brainer.

[CrownSeven]

honestly.. after 5 month of ownership, I have to say screw the big name.. the futur is EPL and 034 ( although I'm starting to loose faint in them.. it's been 3-4 month and just like APR..the response has been '' it's coming'' ).

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

Also the big names have the big records don't forget. While EPL and 034 have some nice offerings, I'd rather go with proven results thank you very much. If EPL and 034 can produce a robust and reliable product with consistently great performance, then I'm on board. I just don't think they're there yet.

[colby7]

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

Also the big names have the big records don't forget. While EPL and 034 have some nice offerings, I'd rather go with proven results thank you very much. If EPL and 034 can produce a robust and reliable product with consistently great performance, then I'm on board. I just don't think they're there yet.

EPL has the record holding non-Stage III tune (11.40).

[sirsycott]

APR already has an b8 s4 stage 2 with full 100% e85 running around in socal , however nothing truly came out of the results aside from driver input and feedback saying it was great

logically it'd be a stage 3 with E85 and dual pulleys coming soon

optimistically that's all you can or should expect

[jran76]

APR already has an b8 s4 stage 2 with full 100% e85 running around in socal , however nothing truly came out of the results aside from driver input and feedback saying it was great

logically it'd be a stage 3 with E85 and dual pulleys coming soon

optimistically that's all you can or should expect

I'll go out on a limb and say it's not a stage 3 supercharger, dual pulleys, or an E85 tune. Actually, not much of a limb....

[TexasDfwS4]

I remember reading that at a point we would need to upgrade some of the internals to get much more out of this platform.

[jl87]

I'll go out on a limb and say it's not a stage 3 supercharger, dual pulleys, or an E85 tune. Actually, not much of a limb....

+1 to this. Arin stated it's something no other tuner is offering, so that rules out E85 and dual pulley...IMO

[A4 Centaur]

^Fortnight.

[cspcrx]

So no other tuner is offering a turbo and thats about it.

[14S4GWM]

Cam

[Dudemans4]

2 weeks

[cspcrx]

Cam

With the other thread that just popped up cams may be an option or a direct injection meth plate kit.

[jran76]

With the other thread that just popped up cams may be an option or a direct injection meth plate kit.

W/M needs to be pre-throttle body to really take advantage of where the MAP/temp sensors are located.

[doug97gxe]

the only logical answer is turbo kit .. only other power adder that will pass Stage 3 would be nitrous and i'm sure APR isn't going down that road. Cams won't be any significant gain or game changer.

if it is a turbo kit.. it will need a whole new intake manifold since Twin charging is already being done and Arin said no other tuner is doing it.

intake manifold, exhaust manifolds, charge pipes, intercooler, turbo, headers .. a turbo kit like that could be $6k .. then add Audi Tax $10k

[waxxonMTL]

the only logical answer is turbo kit .. only other power adder that will pass Stage 3 would be nitrous and i'm sure APR isn't going down that road. Cams won't be any significant gain or game changer.

if it is a turbo kit.. it will need a whole new intake manifold since Twin charging is already being done and Arin said no other tuner is doing it.

intake manifold, exhaust manifolds, charge pipes, intercooler, turbo, headers .. a turbo kit like that could be $6k .. then add Audi Tax $10k

but at least if it's making big power.. some people might be willing to shed money on it.. although i think it's silly to buy a supercharge and love its instant response to convert it to a turbo and get some slight lag.

tune stg 3 with pulley= 1500 ish
dual pulley = 500
cooler kit = 1000-1700

so you already pay around 3k-3.5k for a stage 2.. i'm sure some people will be willing to pay 6-10k for an extra 150-200whp.

[hodrosS42001]

I always wondered about using the stock supercharger housing.. Minus lobes.. As an intake manifold for a turbocharger utilizing the stock cooling. All you would need is the exhaust manifolds, turbo, downpipe, inlet. The issue would be space.

[doug97gxe]

but at least if it's making big power.. some people might be willing to shed money on it.. although i think it's silly to buy a supercharge and love its instant response to convert it to a turbo and get some slight lag.

tune stg 3 with pulley= 1500 ish
dual pulley = 500
cooler kit = 1000-1700

so you already pay around 3k-3.5k for a stage 2.. i'm sure some people will be willing to pay 6-10k for an extra 150-200whp.

Stage 3 Supercharger will eventually hit a ceiling ... with a turbo setup.. you can always get a bigger turbo .. you could potentially see 1000 whp if some one is willing to do supporting mods to get there

[Mat@1975]

Hello Guys

My opinion is that few People really expect another costy stage 3 even if it Works. I think that the majority of b8/b8.5 including myself are awaiting to pull the trigger on "small" upgrades ranging from E85 tune to dual pulley setup tune and of course the famous program switching feature.
I am not optimistic about all these to be released one day though. ....

Best regards

Mathieu

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[A4 Centaur]

They probably will wait till the RS Series cars are released and then spend money developing stuff for those which will trickle down to other in the line-up.

[roadawg]

No E85 tune no care.

[Jv218]

Maybe twin charge?


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[BlownOne]

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

Also the big names have the big records don't forget. While EPL and 034 have some nice offerings, I'd rather go with proven results thank you very much. If EPL and 034 can produce a robust and reliable product with consistently great performance, then I'm on board. I just don't think they're there yet.

Uhhhhhh my 034 stage1 91 octane car is the quickest/fastest on the 1/4 mile list...I consistently ran 12.3's all day. Performance is proven, but the flash at home option needs to happen for it to be available to the masses.

Will

[doug97gxe]

Maybe twin charge?


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that's already been done

[BlownOne]

A turbo kit for around $10k complete with intake/exhaust manifolds, I/c, pipes, bov, turbo(s) and exhaust to connect to existing ready to install would be a good deal and fair price.

[scottycs]

Haha keep dreaming.....

A turbo kit for around $10k complete with intake/exhaust manifolds, I/c, pipes, bov, turbo(s) and exhaust to connect to existing ready to install would be a good deal and fair price.