Kelley Blue Book value - C5's, B5's.

[A Stupid Turtle]

2002 S6 w/ 150k miles range from 8k to 11k
2002 S4 w/ 150k miles range from 3k to 4.5k

Why is everyone with a S4 asking 6k+ for an S4 that still isn't perfect...

(Note that my S6 has over $7k in recent overhaul and I'm still probably only getting 9k)

Is it just me, or is everyone thinking their vehicle is the "bestest most mintest car to grace the road and I deserve nearly DOUBLE KBB"...

I know KBB doesn't take into account all factors, and varies on region, and other variables, but come on.....
(This rant is mainly because I'm trying to find a fair priced S4, but can not get one without spending over 6/7k)

As much as Iove the C5 platform the smaller platform is of interest.

Rant over :)

[Kaane]

Unfortunately KBB sucks balls when it comes to putting values on S Cars, it's a decent tool for checking ballpark pricing on regular audis and other cars. No way you will find a decent S4 for $3500. $3500 is 250K miles salvage flood title territory or major mechanical problems.

[A Stupid Turtle]

I'm probably just annoyed that the S6 market went to poop :o

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Traitor.

[SteelyS6]

^Me too, can't seem to give mine away.

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Buncha Benedict Arnold's up in here. Blasphemy.

[SteelyS6]

Selling mine so I can buy another C5 allroad, trading one for the other! I will own a C5 to the day I die ;)

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Selling mine so I can buy another C5 allroad, trading one for the other! I will own a C5 to the day I die ;)

Well then, good form, I retract my previous statement.

[A Stupid Turtle]

The air ride bothers me, a lot to delete to do it right and change. Hear the arnott set up is still mediocre at allowing performance oriented driving?

If I didn't have a house coming up in the near year I'd keep the S6 as I made it nearly exactly what I wanted.
But when I need 4/5k out of the car for equity I was hoping a reasonable S4 could be had for 4 or 5k

[SteelyS6]

No worries, I have loved the S6 for five years, just not as practical for me anymore, low ground clearance stinks in the winter, one 3 yr old and another on the way makes me cringe for the alcantara, and I really want twin turbos and a 6spd. Had tossed around the idea of putting a 6 spd in the S6 but seeing how hard it is to sell one I would rather put the money into a allroad.

[rollerton]

I'm probably just annoyed that the S6 market went to poop :o

It's really pretty crazy considering the "values" of the S6 keep going down, but most evidence suggests the "demand" is increasing. KBB basically just goes by the general rule that an older car is worth less until it hits the Hemmings classifieds.
What's even moar stupider, and this may vary by state, is that when you go to transfer the title on a car, S6/S4 whatever they will use "RETAIL FUCKING VALUE" and say that the car is 'worth' $16k even though there is no literature to support their valuation.
So, it's worth $16k for tax reasons but $5k if you want to sell it.
uh'Merika.

Huge problem is that people have been brainwashed to believe that these cars wear out at 130k miles. Other than a little a little suspension work the maintenance isn't any different @ 130k miles than 80k miles, but 'value' is about 50%.

[SteelyS6]

The S6 has definitely been a reliable car, some suspension work, brakes, electric fan, filters, washer fluid reservoir, and a windshield cowl has really been all mines needed. All pretty routine stuff.

[4rings2turbos]

KBB is to be used on 3 year old silver accords, not 15 year old Audis :)

Count me surprised if you get anything over $9k. Not saying anything about your car, simply comparing it to what a couple thousand more can get you in the German car market in terms of features, age, mileage etc. Your only market is people looking for a C5 S6.

[carmudgeon]

Statistically, C5 S6's would be considered a small sampling. There's probably only a couple of hundred still on the road. It's not enough to accurate predict current values.

If you want a laugh, try trading one in at a dealership.

[A Stupid Turtle]

For poops and giggles I did the "trade in at a dealer" thing, and they said they'd give me $4200 in form of a check haha.

4rings2turbos - what is your opinion on value of a S4?

[4rings2turbos]

Haha, I agree with Carmudgeon, a dealer wouldn't even offer $2k. They're sending it to auction where it'll struggle to hit $4k.

A good S4 with acceptable miles is a $5k car. That's where decent, worth-while stuff bottoms out. The rest is track worthy or just too far gone.

That's what I've seen at least. Well modded stage 3 hangs around 10/11 listing price. 9k for good miles and strong stage 3 in good condition is a good price.

Given what these cars are and the market for them I think these are fair prices.

[vlangs]

It's really pretty crazy considering the "values" of the S6 keep going down, but most evidence suggests the "demand" is increasing. KBB basically just goes by the general rule that an older car is worth less until it hits the Hemmings classifieds.
What's even moar stupider, and this may vary by state, is that when you go to transfer the title on a car, S6/S4 whatever they will use "RETAIL FUCKING VALUE" and say that the car is 'worth' $16k even though there is no literature to support their valuation.
So, it's worth $16k for tax reasons but $5k if you want to sell it.
uh'Merika.

Huge problem is that people have been brainwashed to believe that these cars wear out at 130k miles. Other than a little a little suspension work the maintenance isn't any different @ 130k miles than 80k miles, but 'value' is about 50%.

if maintained i don't see why a c5 can't last 300k+

mine is approaching 190k and (touch wood) mechanically it's pretty sound. the auxiliary things tend to crap out but that's ok

[A Stupid Turtle]

I have no doubt other than brakes and timing belt/water pump in the next 35k miles, this S6 would be very reliable. Just thieving cash out of it. The 2.7tt seems like it has 100 times more problems with more plastic, more heat, and abuse...


Local guy asking 5k for a 192k mile black on black one..... seems expensive...

[rollerton]

I have an S6 with 210k miles on it. Honestly..the engine is GREAT. But..yeah, it's the little nagging things that the average person couldn't deal with, but are actually very simple fixes. Door latches :$60 (new for a pair) , one door wire harness $20 Ebay. Power steering pump $80 used w/ warranty, suspension can cost a little; but figure $600'ish for new shocks. ABS module rebuild $110. All those parts and a few small ones can take the V8 another 80k miles.
It's that dealer estimate for $6500 for a couple parts @ 3000% markup and a few hours worth of work that ruins the reputation of these cars. Audi is simultaneously killing their own brand and raising revenue~ by getting people out of perfectly good older cars and into newer ones.
And OBD/ diagnosis I think scares the crap out of most people.
Ross-techs $375 tool is a godsend that I simply can't believe ANYone with a VAG car could go a week without.

Truth is I think without these forums and the internet 90% of these cars would be in a wrecking yard.

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

I have no doubt other than brakes and timing belt/water pump in the next 35k miles, this S6 would be very reliable. Just thieving cash out of it. The 2.7tt seems like it has 100 times more problems with more plastic, more heat, and abuse...


Local guy asking 5k for a 192k mile black on black one..... seems expensive...

2.7>4.2

[4rings2turbos]

2.7>4.2

<3

That's been hashed so many times though. The A6, especially BEL, 2.7T isn't as unreliable as people say. Let's be realistic though, all of our cars are $5k cars. Just because they still have hundreds of thousands of miles left in them most people barely have time to make an appointment to drop their car off for work. Much less spend an entire week searching the Internet for info then an entire weekend performing some maintenance or repair item.

That's why they're cheap.

[R490]

<3

That's been hashed so many times though. The A6, especially BEL, 2.7T isn't as unreliable as people say. Let's be realistic though, all of our cars are $5k cars. Just because they still have hundreds of thousands of miles left in them most people barely have time to make an appointment to drop their car off for work. Much less spend an entire week searching the Internet for info then an entire weekend performing some maintenance or repair item.

That's why they're cheap.

It's true. It's a combination of abuse and lack of maintenance that kills these cars.

I still love my A6, at the moment I just don't have enough time or space to fix the clutch and address various other issues. I gave into my need for a warranty and fuel economy, but I'm already getting the itch to get into a B5 S4.

[vlangs]

Truth is I think without these forums and the internet 90% of these cars would be in a wrecking yard.

this.

[vlangs]

Oh and time is definitely money, but we're weirdos so what do we know anyways? :)

[Arsenal2012]

S6, S4 is just a name in my opinion, sure it has some upgrades/different components or a different motor but when you get down to it the interior is exactly the same aside from some alcantara.
Honestly i believe thats why 4rings sold his S6, when it comes to refinement in the C5/B5 i dont think you can beat an allroad 2.7t with manual.
If you ask me the allroad should lose value less quickly.


P.S. let the bashing begin.

[4rings2turbos]

Because the C5 has the 2.7T and the allroad got a lot of extra kit there is a much smaller bridge between the allroad and S6 than between a 1.8t/2.8 A4 and S4.

In the realm of the B5 the S moniker isn't just a name, it's quite a different car.

I sold the S6 because it was slow and had a slushbox that was begging to die any day. I liked it though. I like running 325 in the rear and torque more however.

[8520]

C5 S6's are much like allroads. There is no real set market for these cars. A clean 6 speed allroad with low mileage is worth 4k-12k to most. A clean low mileage s6 is worth 6k-16k to most. There just aren't enough on the road to set value really.

I will be in to my ridiculous manual k24 s6 maybe 13-14 grand said and done. I like to think I could sell it for a good bit more, but it would be a matter of finding the right person. Honestly it could only be worth peanuts. Who knows. There is zero market comparables for certain cars.

when it comes to refinement in the C5/B5 i dont think you can beat an allroad 2.7t with manual.

I think I can

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Stuff

[4rings2turbos]

In terms of equipment the allroad came with more available kit that the A6 and cost more. Not saying either or, just food for thought. The Alcantara headliner, beefier steering wheel/steering feel and suspension on the S6 plus power out of the box makes the S6 a clear winner on civilian roads by a long shot.

And HEY, what disqualifies my allroad from being an allroad Mr so-called Nugget??? ;)

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Stuff

[4rings2turbos]

Just thought of probably the most clear way to describe this eternal dilemma of C5 Avant bestitude in terms of choosing what to buy: the lack of factory 6-speed will forever be the thorn in the S6's side. That and the fact that the 2.7T is as effective as it is in producing good power and a really strong power band.

Here's the kicker though, these facts make BOTH a great choice. I've said it before, the only parts that can't get swapped back and forth are literally the flares. That's it. So the three choices are handling prowess (S6) or acceleration and ultimately top speed (so irrelevant) (allroad) or major powerplant swap/suspension swap to have both.

[4rings2turbos]

Says you

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Says you

Stuff

[4rings2turbos]

I hand painted those later on

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Stuff

[4rings2turbos]

*shrug*

You too :)

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

*shrug*

You too :)

Ok, you're clearly missing my point, I'm done. allroads are better than ferraris, hands down.

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

The fact that u can't go "allroad-ing" on R-compounds...just for starters lol.

Whomp

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Sorry for de-railing the thread.

[4rings2turbos]

Lollll that's not even what I'm saying. Because someone has summer tires in the summer does that mean their car can't be driven in the winter? Obviously you just swap wheels or tires.

Is an S6 better than an allroad? Sure! Absolutely! That's definitely my stance. Unless you want turbos and a 6-speed.

I don't get where you think I'm saying an allroad is better than anything else, I have simply not said or implied that anywhere. But also don't get why people think a 15 year old car with a 0-60 time well into 6 seconds and tons of miles should be in the teens. Hand-built RSs with 110 more factory horsepower plus lots of tuning potential and tons more bespoke equipment is barely there anymore.

I'll clear up anything else if it needs clarity. I wish to only present facts, not my opinion.