RS4 possible to re sleeve engine block?

[bscuit]

Hi All. Is it possible to re sleeve the B7 RS4 engine block?And possibly make it stronger as well? I am from South Africa and the places i've been to say it is impossible...

[Mr.Wrong]

It's quite stout as it is. What are you doing to it so that you need it to be stronger?

[bscuit]

It's quite stout as it is. What are you doing to it so that you need it to be stronger?

Boost.....

[Mr.Wrong]

Boost.....

Figured it must be lol Which system are you going with?
I believe JHM already sleeved BNS, but it's in testing phases. Don't quote me on that, just something I've heard through the grapevine.

[Mr.Wrong]

Here's an interesting thread, even though it's regarding BHF, some of the info might still be useful:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...eving-a-S4-4-2

[bscuit]

Thanks. I mailed JHM, that LA Sleeves place and VACMotorsport. I found some info on the forums about them. Lets see what they come back with.

[Quattrors4]

Thanks. I mailed JHM, that LA Sleeves place and VACMotorsport. I found some info on the forums about them. Lets see what they come back with.

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

[Mr.Wrong]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

Who did you use for sleeping?

[bscuit]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

Mmmm.. My block cracked on sleeve nr 4 around 14psi.

[Quattrors4]

Mmmm.. My block cracked on sleeve nr 4 around 14psi.

over heated or shitty tune then,stock subaru sti block are much weaker then the rs4 block and take 20 psi all day long on a bigger turbo set up,another example the guy with the race rs4 with twin turbo is pushing 24 plus psi on a non sleeve block
with no problem making 1200 hp
the main thing with the rs4 and r8 motor is they don't like heat!specialy high ait s,its going to increase cylinder pressure like creasy and of course lots of detonation,not sure what blower you are running or what tune,but always keep an eye of your ait s and knocking,if you can run e85 would be great it will keep the engine cylinder temp way way down and run more boost and be safe

[b6dolphins4]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

Care to share pictures of the already sleeved "blocks", you were asked this previously in your thread, and failed to respond. Then you went on to say that the bottom end is still stock, and that you were going to maximize power on e85....

[Quattrors4]

Care to share pictures of the already sleeved "blocks", you were asked this previously in your thread, and failed to respond. Then you went on to say that the bottom end is still stock, and that you were going to maximize power on e85....

Well can't share it sorry it's a secret

[Mr.Wrong]

Who did you use for sleeping?

...

[komseh]

I have a Serta iComfort, it is most excellent!

[Blackstallion]

Well can't share it sorry it's a secret

hahaha its a secret eh? You think your so fucking special with your one and only most powerful twin turbo rs4 b7 daily driver with 602 awhp 558 awtorque on pump gas at 12.6psi - you/re a joke pal...

[Quattrors4]

hahaha its a secret eh? You think your so fucking special with your one and only most powerful twin turbo rs4 b7 daily driver with 602 awhp 558 awtorque on pump gas at 12.6psi - you/re a joke pal...

no actually i think you are a joke and waist of talk on this forum !you and all your clan ,what have you done to your car ?can you change a tire ?realy stop posting please

[b6dolphins4]

no actually i think you are a joke and waist of talk on this forum !you and all your clan ,what have you done to your car ?can you change a tire ?realy stop posting please

I know a guy who changed a tire once, it was pretty intense from what I heard

[Kambesama]

no actually i think you are a joke and waist of talk on this forum !you and all your clan ,what have you done to your car ?can you change a tire ?realy stop posting please

I knew this CLOWN once who thought he was better than everyone else cause he was different. Oh wait its Marvigo... never mind.

[65vetteC6]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

Hahahahaha you are full of shit.

Beginning of March:

engine is not built yet,this is the stock bottom end engine still,just wanna pouch it to see the limit on e85

Lies lies lies but who is surprised. And no one would give you a block to sleeve for them so don't come back with that excuse.

[Quattrors4]

Hahahahaha you are full of shit.

Beginning of March:


Lies lies lies but who is surprised. And no one would give you a block to sleeve for them so don't come back with that excuse.

what ever you say mister, i have another engine sir

[Mr.Wrong]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

I think you must've missed my two posts with all these replies. Anyways op asked if it's possible to sleeve BNS. We all know it's possible and you actually have already sleeved a few blocks. So to help OP and others (including myself) who are wondering about this, which shop did you use to sleeve said BNS blocks?

[65vetteC6]

what ever you say mister, i have another engine sir

I'm aware, you blew one up with your PES charger, doesn't change the fact that it is NOT done nor have you sleeved a bunch of others for people.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

Every body is using Darton sleeves for these engines. There is an off the shelf v10 sleeve originally developed by UGR. Some shops aren't shady and will quote you out on parts and builds and explain the non vaporware formula. Unlike some in this thread.

[bscuit]

I got feedback from LA Sleeves: Yes, it is possible to sleeve that block. The hypereutectic alloy is very brittle. Therefore, it's important to install the sleeves with very little pressed fit. We also recommend our hardened ductile iron sleeves for that block - Moly2000 ductile iron sleeves. Has anyone here used them before? I will drop Darton a mail, thanks.. What should sleeves cost about? LA Sleeves quoted me 1600$.

[str8blst]

I've already sleeved a few blocks,but for the jhm supercharger you really don't need a sleeve block,the stock block can take a lot of pressure and be save around 20 psi,you need sleeving if you go past 25 psi witch the supercharger won't even get close to that,except if you have a turbo set and want to run hi boost then you need a block

Sleeved a bunch? I'd like to know where all these engines are.... care to share who the owners are? Or is this more top secret info?

[bscuit]

Every body is using Darton sleeves for these engines. There is an off the shelf v10 sleeve originally developed by UGR. Some shops aren't shady and will quote you out on parts and builds and explain the non vaporware formula. Unlike some in this thread.

They do not have sleeves for the RS4. They want me to give them specs to build the sleeves.

[bscuit]

So this is what I can see - LA Sleeves are the only places that has come back to me saying they can provide sleeves for these blocks, however they cannot help with rings. I need rings that will fit OEM Pistons, but need rings for ductile iron. Anyone know where I can get these?

[Quattrors4]

So this is what I can see - LA Sleeves are the only places that has come back to me saying they can provide sleeves for these blocks, however they cannot help with rings. I need rings that will fit OEM Pistons, but need rings for ductile iron. Anyone know where I can get these?

if you sleeve your block why not get pistons and rods are the same time and bring to cr down a bit,but anyway you have to first find out why to destroyed your block
(malhe has pistons rings for stock rs4 pistons)

[NastyNogaro]

Well can't share it sorry it's a secret

LOL as soon as I saw the question asked I KNEW this is what he was going to say, almost verbatim. You serve up a question like that to Mario, you know he's gonna do a troll slam dunk, every time. The more we care that he doesn't answer our questions, the more we are out-trolled. Nicely executed Mario.

[str8blst]

Sleeved a bunch? I'd like to know where all these engines are.... care to share who the owners are? Or is this more top secret info?

crickets....

[Quattro_The_Dog]

They do not have sleeves for the RS4. They want me to give them specs to build the sleeves.

There is a part number for the Darton v10 sleeve, I will get it for you. Darton private labels the sleeves for underground racing I was involved in communications with them about this a few months ago. It took a little digging but they definitely have a part already built and designed that will work for our engines it has been used by 2 shops all ready for the V8 FSI.

[2photors4]

I am not sure how thick the walls of sleeves are but there appears to be only about 4 or 5 mm thickness between one cylinder and the next in the RS4 block. I considered sleeving my last block after one cylinder was scored. However, if you bore out each cylinder a few mm to insert a sleeve, the sleeves would almost be touching. I would think that could make the block dangerously weak.

[bscuit]

I am actually considering buying a stock block again. If you all are saying that the stock block can handle 14psi easily, I am wondering if I didn't maybe have a crappy block. The car I got the motor from was in a small accident, and the sump was damaged, and the crank casing was cracked. Maybe the block had a weak spot from the accident? Frankly it sounds more risky doing sleeves on these things than just fitting a stock block again.

[Quattrors4]

I am actually considering buying a stock block again. If you all are saying that the stock block can handle 14psi easily, I am wondering if I didn't maybe have a crappy block. The car I got the motor from was in a small accident, and the sump was damaged, and the crank casing was cracked. Maybe the block had a weak spot from the accident? Frankly it sounds more risky doing sleeves on these things than just fitting a stock block again.

Now that's realy possible ,how did your Pistons look ?

[65vetteC6]

I am actually considering buying a stock block again. If you all are saying that the stock block can handle 14psi easily, I am wondering if I didn't maybe have a crappy block.

The ONLY person who said that was Vigo and he isn't even running that much. There is one other guy that just dyno'd his motor at that in Europe but I don't think it's even in the car yet. Most if not all aftermarket companies are running much lower boost levels. Most of the companies providing TT kits for the v8 R8 are I think 6-8 psi. Quattro has done next to no testing and anything he has shared is shady at best. Most of his claims are based off MRC tuning who has been running a single turbo on their r8 for a while now. Not to say the block can't hold a higher psi but I would be hesitant to go out and buy another motor just because you heard some guy on the internet tell you it could.


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[bscuit]

Now that's realy possible ,how did your Pistons look ?

Pistons and everything is ok. But we cannot buy a block separately, we have to buy the whole sub assembly - so will be getting pistons etc with then.

[bscuit]

The ONLY person who said that was Vigo and he isn't even running that much. There is one other guy that just dyno'd his motor at that in Europe but I don't think it's even in the car yet. Most if not all aftermarket companies are running much lower boost levels. Most of the companies providing TT kits for the v8 R8 are I think 6-8 psi. Quattro has done next to no testing and anything he has shared is shady at best. Most of his claims are based off MRC tuning who has been running a single turbo on their r8 for a while now. Not to say the block can't hold a higher psi but I would be hesitant to go out and buy another motor just because you heard some guy on the internet tell you it could.


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Thanks for the feedback. I did do a lot of my own research as well, and as far as I know the APR TVS1740 kit is running about 14psi (Can anyone confirm)? I am not just blindly following what I am being told on the internet, my problem is that I am sitting with a broken RS4, and I need to make a plan - and I am sitting in a country where importing stuff is EXTREMELY expensive, just the sleeves alone (Cannot find rings yet) from LA Sleeves will cost me half the price of a RS4 Sub Assembly including pistons, oil pump, crank case etc... locally from Audi. So I am still in two minds as to what to do - but cost is also an issue for me. The fact that the previous motor was involved in a small accident cannot just be thrown out - but it might also be completely unrelated to the cracked sleeve - maybe the boost was just too much.

[65vetteC6]

Thanks for the feedback. I did do a lot of my own research as well, and as far as I know the APR TVS1740 kit is running about 14psi (Can anyone confirm)? I am not just blindly following what I am being told on the internet, my problem is that I am sitting with a broken RS4, and I need to make a plan - and I am sitting in a country where importing stuff is EXTREMELY expensive, just the sleeves alone (Cannot find rings yet) from LA Sleeves will cost me half the price of a RS4 Sub Assembly including pistons, oil pump, crank case etc... locally from Audi. So I am still in two minds as to what to do - but cost is also an issue for me. The fact that the previous motor was involved in a small accident cannot just be thrown out - but it might also be completely unrelated to the cracked sleeve - maybe the boost was just too much.

Ah, I misunderstood you the first time around, you're referring to a 14psi on the SC. I doubt your motor cracked from a SC kit at 14 psi but who knows. Whose kit?

Actually where is Quattro even measuring boost from? pre intercooler I am assuming

[bscuit]

Ah, I misunderstood you the first time around, you're referring to a 14psi on the SC. I doubt your motor cracked from a SC kit at 14 psi but who knows. Whose kit?

Actually where is Quattro even measuring boost from? pre intercooler I am assuming

Sorry about that. Yes it is a supercharger kit. It is actually the APR Stage III+ TVS 1740 Kit.

[Peter1.8t]

The AMD supercharger kit on my car is around ~14psi. It's been on there for a long time too, many many miles logged. Might even be the most miles logged out of any forced induction RS4. Recently went through a compression and leak down test, and everything checked out perfect.

Is your end goal to use the same APR kit as before?