Standalone system for AEB cars

[The Overclocker]

I found this guy --->>

What do you guys think ?

Is there better for aeb codes ? Cheaper price ? Plug & play

Doing big modifications ..

http://braunstadt.com/lugtronic/node/13


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[GrapeBandit]

you can go with any stand alone ecu. just make sure that you can get someone to tune it. I have the problem that I cant find anyone that is willing to tune my stand alone because it is a european brand they are not familiar with. SMDH. it makes no sense since they all do the same thing. I will probably have to sell mine to someone in europe and get something that these american tuners recognize since they are scared to touch it.

you want a system that anyone will tune, go AEM

[The Overclocker]

I simply want something for my AEB car to be able to be tunned appenrently the aeb has lots of restriction


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[demonmk2]

What are your power goals?

[GrapeBandit]

I simply want something for my AEB car to be able to be tunned appenrently the aeb has lots of restriction


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there is no resriction with stand alone lol

[ray4624]

yea that is the whole point of stand alone on the AEB.
IMO its easier then converting to OEM wide band.
Ive looked into it and im undecided between AEM and the VEMS system you have posted.

Like grape said, everyone tunes AEM so theres that

[GrapeBandit]

yea that is the whole point of stand alone on the AEB.
IMO its easier then converting to OEM wide band.
Ive looked into it and im undecided between AEM and the VEMS system you have posted.

Like grape said, everyone tunes AEM so theres that

plus you get to keep DBC wbich is a big plus

[The Overclocker]

What is a DBC ?

I dont want to go standalone ... Its just that i feel there is no other choice ...

The car & the setup

1999 aeb a4 quattro

Whats done :

Walbro 255
R8 coil & awp spark plug wire conversion
Unitronic stage 2+

What i bough and soon to be installing

-Gtx2971r
-Fmic
-Stage 3 snow performance meth kit & direct power distribution block
-jhm b7 rs4 clutch with lightweigh flywheel & stage 4 disk
-ie rods
- crank bearing / piston rings / head gasket
- Arp head studs
-catch can & crank breather hose delete
- 750cc bosch injectors
-cts turbo fuel rail
- aeromotive fuel pressure gauge
-4" maff sensor ( still deciding if to get the ford lightning one or not )

Things need to be done before i can start building this epic thing :

Manual 01a tranny swap
Rods install

Then i can build all the rest

Every little hint is lots of help

Im learning every moment of this build


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[GrapeBandit]

Drive
By
Cable

hit up kompressd or ddillinger for a tune

[The Overclocker]

Thanks for that tip


A cannot find anything other then awp harness swap or standalone .. ?!





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[GrapeBandit]

Thanks for that tip


A cannot find anything other then awp harness swap or standalone .. ?!





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I am pretty sure you can run maestro on aeb, but I cant comment on it per se, I have zero experience with it.

[redline380]

Ive heard maestro on AEB sucks.

If all you are doing is running a 2871, I'd just get an ecu chip for it since that is a very common setup. Once you start getting bigger than that is when you should consider stand alone.

[andyrew]

Drive
By
Cable

hit up kompressd or ddillinger for a tune

I dont think Daz Dillenger is on here. You can find him on facebook where he does most of his work through or on his website vagautoworks.com

I am using a DBW (AWM) harness for my AEB and having Daz tune it. Great price as well.

[The Overclocker]

Im from montreal , canada he's too far


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[Avant Nate]

Ive heard maestro on AEB sucks. Does Montreal have any emissions restrictions? B

If alll you are doing is running a 2871, I'd just get an ecu chip for it since that is a very common setup. Once you start getting bigger than that is when you should consider stand alone.

Not a gt2871r, gtx2971r. It's newer. Does Montreal have any emissions requirements? Because forget about standalone if it does.

[demonmk2]

UM STAGE 4 tune

With what your parts list is, you'll benefit with a SEM or IE intake

[The Overclocker]

Um stage 4 tune wont work im going to be running 750cc injectors & 4" wide maff sensor

And running a gtx2971r

Not a gt28

Up to now the only option is Vems ... Aem looks complicated

Any other ideas ?


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[GrapeBandit]

Um stage 4 tune wont work im going to be running 750cc injectors & 4" wide maff sensor

And running a gtx2971r

Not a gt28

Up to now the only option is Vems ... Aem looks complicated

Any other ideas ?


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you have it backwards. you pick your tune, then you get recommend injectors/maf.

[ricekikr]

A potentially cheap solution would be to flash it yourself. All the main maps are available. Fuel/timing/boost/dtc deletes etc are already mapped.

Cost =$20
Time = depends on tuner

The only real problem is it isn't live tuning. Ie log>tune>flash 3min>log>tune>flash

Also there isn't great support for the me5, so you or your tuner needs to know ols/hex. There's shit loads of maps that could potentially mess things up (the me3 has 1700+maps me5 should have a bit more), but most maps are just for smoothness.

And it lacks the more advanced features nls/launch control etc. No one has written the code or figured it out yet.

[andyrew]

Im from montreal , canada he's too far


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Daz does his fine tuning from Logs. He sends you a base tune and you tune from there. Daz is in NY, Im in Cali... He'll work with you until your tune is perfect. All the fun stuff to if you want (code outs, no lift shift, launch control, multiple tunes, ect ect).

Seriously I've looked and he's who I trust for my project. (Check out my sig..)

[The Overclocker]

Where can i get a custom AEM EMS-4 to AEB harness ? For a simple plug & play application ?

I beleive that my only option , Vems looks very good too but aeb is more widely known i believe so i thing it would be better to go that way


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[Rodgman15]

You can't. Has to be custom made. I know because I tried. Got impatient and went maestro.

[The Overclocker]

Daz does his fine tuning from Logs. He sends you a base tune and you tune from there. Daz is in NY, Im in Cali... He'll work with you until your tune is perfect. All the fun stuff to if you want (code outs, no lift shift, launch control, multiple tunes, ect ect).

Seriously I've looked and he's who I trust for my project. (Check out my sig..)

You upload it via vagcom ? & this works with the 97-99 ecu's ?


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[GrapeBandit]

Where can i get a custom AEM EMS-4 to AEB harness ? For a simple plug & play application ?

I beleive that my only option , Vems looks very good too but aeb is more widely known i believe so i thing it would be better to go that way


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audi and aem. contact Kyle, he might be able to make you a harness, I know he used to make them
[email protected]

[vrmm]

Perhaps I read through too swiftly and others have given you aeb maestro opinions, but I'll give you mine. It's like using crayons instead of charcoal and water color. It's beyond easy. From what I read your current 'mods' aren't anything that will complicate it. Putting in a standalone harness sounds like a pain. You can get a wotbox for 200$ if you really want to get nls&launchcontrol.

You could have kompressed do your maestro tunes if you really can't figure it out. You just drive/log and change accordingly. I contemplated going to me7 before I did me3/5, but I've realized it definitely, in my mind, is not needed. Only good thing I can see is running mafless. Launch control is just redline :p

[The Overclocker]

audi and aem. contact Kyle, he might be able to make you a harness, I know he used to make them
[email protected]

I just sent him a e-mail , hope he answers !

I rather go aem if its rather easy just because i could go anywhere after to dyno tune it


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[bw86]

audi and aem. contact Kyle, he might be able to make you a harness, I know he used to make them
[email protected]

If thats James Kyle Hepp (JK35 on this forum) DO NOT buy anything from him. He screwed me and a few other people on this forum. I personally lost a few hundred dollars from various parts that he never shipped to me / he sold me a shit harness for my aem that didn't work / he sold me a bottom end that was put together by a 4 year old that blew up.


He's a hell of a guy




I had Lugtronic on my AEB (after rebuilding the bottom end). Kevin Black (guy behind Lugtronic) is awesome and really knows his shit, though he sometimes can be hard to get a hold of. He custom made me a harness and provided a base tune. The harness fit like a glove and looked really nice. We went back and forth with me logging a pull, sending him the log, him tweaking it and repeating and the car ran great.

If I had to do it over again I'd probably just do a DBW swap have Daz tune it and call it a a day

[GrapeBandit]

^lol. I dont know the guy, just talked to him one time about a stand alone.

lugtronic ecu is $1500 for aeb

[bw86]

^lol. I dont know the guy, just talked to him one time about a stand alone.

lugtronic ecu is $1500 for aeb

Nothing against you buddy. Just letting him know.

[GrapeBandit]

Nothing against you buddy. Just letting him know.

well i was just putting his email out there "in case". I am in no way associated with him lol no we know why he disappeared from the forums, shady business

[The Overclocker]

Thank you be86


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[The Overclocker]

If i decide to go with the aeb ems-4 direction .... What do i need to know ? Harness ?

As for trottle body

On my setup, what size should i go ?

And what car to get if from ? Or where to buy it

I have dbc , aeb engine




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[andyrew]

You upload it via vagcom ? & this works with the 97-99 ecu's ?


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All you need is a cable and Daz takes care of the rest remotely.


He can do it to any stock computer BUT he will get the best out of it with AWM or drive by wire.

[demonmk2]

If i decide to go with the aeb ems-4 direction .... What do i need to know ? Harness ?

As for trottle body

On my setup, what size should i go ?

And what car to get if from ? Or where to buy it

I have dbc , aeb engine




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You could use an obd2 vr6 or 2.8v6 throttle body. I use the vr6 throttle body, it idles a tad high but does its job other wise.

[demonmk2]

IMO you should Call UM and inquire about there stage 4 630 file. It's used with a 4" promaf.
It's off the shelf and simple.
You could pm schrubbe8210. He's using it with good results and his is a track dedicated car.

[The Overclocker]

IMO you should Call UM and inquire about there stage 4 630 file. It's used with a 4" promaf.
It's off the shelf and simple.
You could pm schrubbe8210. He's using it with good results and his is a track dedicated car.

What if i have the 750cc injectors already + im using methane .. Is that still ok ?




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[demonmk2]

Methane or methanol??


Is there a particular reason why you want 750cc injectors? Just because you already have them?
As far as meth injection are you going to always run it? Basically "only" be tuned for meth?
Why do you want to run meth?

And what are your power goals? You can't just throw things together and expect something big, it all has to work together.

[GrapeBandit]

You could use an obd2 vr6 or 2.8v6 throttle body. I use the vr6 throttle body, it idles a tad high but does its job other wise.

I always wondered. what is to gain by putting a throttle body that is bigger than your smallest intercooler piping?

for example, a 3" TB while you have 2.5" IC piping. its only going to flow as much as your smallest choke point, no?

its like cutting a soda bottle in half and connecting it to a straw, blowing through the straw towards the soda bottle. the bigger size of the soda bottle cant make the straw flow any more than it already is.

[demonmk2]

I don't think so ( IMO ) it all depends on how much air the turbo can push.
That like a lot of people will run stock piping to the intercooler and up it in size after to the throttle body.
Mine is transitioned 2-2.5-3... It works for my setup.

What's funny is the aeb has the biggest intakes out of the 1.8t's but the smallest throttle body out of the 1.8ts.
If your running stock\k04 turbo I would imagine it hurting performance but for me it drastically improved my throttle response and midrange. I don't have numbers to back this up just the difference in drive.

[The Overclocker]

I always wondered. what is to gain by putting a throttle body that is bigger than your smallest intercooler piping?

for example, a 3" TB while you have 2.5" IC piping. its only going to flow as much as your smallest choke point, no?

its like cutting a soda bottle in half and connecting it to a straw, blowing through the straw towards the soda bottle. the bigger size of the soda bottle cant make the straw flow any more than it already is.

I'll will be running a vibrant modèle 12815 intercooler , 3,5'' core & 3'' outlets

i need to find my self a 75mm trottle body or 80mm , Drive By Cable , any sugjestions ? the vr6 or 2.8l are to small , only the rs4 comes with 75mm that but its dbw ... i need dbc