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    2008 audi a4 B7 2.0T ruff idle and stalling, replaced everything (list provided)

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    hi guys,

    My first official post. I have been going through all of the post to find my issue and replaced a ton of things that are probably all still good. Let me first explain that the car has a ruff idle (shakes) and then stalls. I can stall and then not start back up for awhile. Background on this is I had this issue this time last year, Audi first replaced the LPFP and Low Pressure Sensor (found out it's also called a thrust sensor). I went back a couple of weeks later and they replaced the HPFP and Cam Follower. Car ran fine till October so about 11 months from the first replacement, but more than 30,000 miles later (for anyone thinking about warranties.

    1. LPFP (from Audi)
    2. Low Pressure Sensor (from Audi)
    3. HPFP (from Audi)
    4. Cam Follower (from Audi)

    So I started trying to do the DIY to figure this out, pretty scary for a IT Guy, just doing the research. Finally after tons of post I read my check engine light and codes and I had Misfires and Lean codes. Replaced one coil even though most threads said to replace all coils and spark plugs, a day later I replaced all the Coils and the spark plugs. Check engine light goes out (probably because I keep disconnecting the battery) and then comes back on after some time.

    5. Coils (autozone)
    6. Spark Plugs (autozone)

    After more reading and research I found that maybe it's pointing towards my turbo diverter valve (the forum referred to a recall and the replacement part). Mine was bad had the rubber and plastic one and replaced with the new one. Way more boost but yet right back to the same issue,

    7. turbo diverter valve (from Audi)

    Finally took the car to Audi in December, guy read the same codes and replaced with the coils and spark plugs with genuine Audi parts. Problem cleared temporarily but of course comes back. I did explain that but he had to start some where. After that I asked if there was a vacuum leak, this guy claimed no not at all. He called over seas kept the car a couple of days and says that I need to replace the injectors. I should also try to get the carbon cleaned.

    Ok so before doing that, I tried cleaning the MAF...wasn't sure it worked, replaced the MAF, issue still there. I then replaced the PCV valve issue still there.

    8. MAF (europaparts)
    9. PCV valve and seal (Europaparts)

    I finally caved took the car to a low budget mechanic to get the injectors replaced. On one hand this was the cheapest option (never do cheap again), guy offered to replace one injector for $50 bucks, cost me $150 for all four. I then asked if they would also clean out the carbon, luckily I got there before they closed everything up and sure enough this guy has not cleaned out anything. I asked and he said yes he cleaned my valves, shined a light and no he didn't even touch it. I gave him a good video by edge motors floating around on how to clean it out and went to buy everything even a vacuum and wire brushes. Claims he cleaned it all out and it's shining in there but he had everything together when I arrived the next day (I should have asked for pics for proof). Well in short problem still there.

    10. Injectors with rings and seals.
    11. Gunk cleaned maybe

    Took the car to a Audi tuner shop. They claimed all this about their mechanic being an Audi mechanic and things. They come back to me after 2 1/2 weeks with I need an oil change, that my diverter valve is bad....they pulled the diverter valve and then came back with no it's actually good. Then they claimed that the (thrust) Low Pressure Fuel Sensor was bad and also the LPFP. Took the car back to Audi expecting that it was still under warranty and they missed it in December. Guys have really stepped up my warranty for the parts are 12 months or 12,000 miles, I missed the mileage by going 30,000 miles. Decided to work with me and not charge me labor only parts, they then replaced the LPFP, says there is not a problem with the Low Pressure Fuel sensor. After that they continued to test and found that my N80 was bad. Luckily I went in there and saw that my pipe from the PCV valve to the manifold had shrink wrap on it... yes the low budget mechanic broke the pipe and rather than replace he shrink wrapped it and broke the dip stick.

    12. New LPFP (from Audi)
    13. N80 (from Audi)

    Car seemed to run fine but I kept hearing this swoosh sound of air, but ruff idle was gone. Decided to check under the hood and the pipe with the shrink wrapping was completely separated. Went and had the cheap mechanic give me the money to replace both parts. I think they probably also messed up the N80 when they took of the Manifold to replace the injectors and clean, but I got the parts from Audi.

    14. Pipe from the PCV valve (from Audi)
    15. Dip stick (from Audi)

    Car back to running ruff on idle but not stalling. Seems like the car (cpu) is trying to adjust, it keeps getting smooth and then goes ruff again. Took the car back to Audi today, the Mechanic took his time again and pretty much can't figure it out. We here a vacuum leak, no whistling but just air somewhere low, but can't put our mind to where it must be coming from. He tried all his tests and nothing is pointing anything out. We discussed the O2 sensors, not sure what he did but he wants to reach out to other mechanics on this one. I opened the hood when I got home to try and figure out if I can find the vacuum leak, noticed he possibly moved the O2 sensor for testing.

    Guys i'm completely out of thoughts and money, the mechanic is exhausted and stumped (wonderful guy though), wondering if any of you guys might have any thoughts on this one?

    Tshon

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    You have already thought of what to do. Do a boost / vacuum leak test.

    Get an ODBII BT ELM (or wifi if you have an iphone) read the latest codes measure requested actual vacuum.

    -Check the valve cover gasket.
    -Start the car and remove the oil cap and tell us whether the engine is sucking it in or freely removable.
    -disconnect the maf to see if it gets better (just gives a clue)
    -you could still have bad fuel injectors. Especially since your hack mechanic replaced then.

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    Hey thanks for the reply. The Audi mech couldn't find the leak, so I just finished looking at it all over again.

    I can hear a whistle after initial startup on the passenger side, then you just hear air.

    It's like it starts sucking (hence the whistle) then after a short amount of time the whistle goes away and it seems to be blowing air.
    I do not see any leaks like oil or anything just the sounds and the ruff idle.
    I'm leaning towards the valve cover gasket, but shouldn't I see a leak or something somewhere?

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    Using any other parts other than 'OEM Audi' can hinder the performance of your car. With that said, I'd swap out those Autozone coils and plugs and start putting some real Audi replacements in there. They can very well be the culprits.

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    Sounds like a vacuum leak. Add some gas with the throttle and see if the prob goes away temporarily. Even a loose dipstick will simulate a vac leak. Check lambda values and fuel trims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sGuy View Post
    Using any other parts other than 'OEM Audi' can hinder the performance of your car. With that said, I'd swap out those Autozone coils and plugs and start putting some real Audi replacements in there. They can very well be the culprits.
    It says he got plugs and coils from Audi though...

    Quote Originally Posted by tshon2 View Post
    Finally took the car to Audi in December, guy read the same codes and replaced with the coils and spark plugs with genuine Audi parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmonkey View Post
    It says he got plugs and coils from Audi though...
    Thanks for pointing out, as Autozone was clearly outlined but then OEM part buried deep inside. This is the reason why I don't read really long thesis posts. Home OP tackles whatever issue it may be.

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    Man, I live in farmers branch so we are close to each other. How many miles are on your 08 B7? I have the 08 B7 and you have me worried lol. I have a 108,000. Just did the timing belt, rollers, serpintine and the pulley last week but have not had any issues. I bought mine with 89k.

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    If you could find a shop that does smoke tests you could find your vacuum link very quick.

    Or if you feel like attempting the diy, you can find a boost leak test on a4 mods and buy a cigar.
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    Yeah I'm currently have about 153,000 miles. But I still love my car. I have a drive axle coming from Europa parts that I'll be installing this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sGuy View Post
    Thanks for pointing out, as Autozone was clearly outlined but then OEM part buried deep inside. This is the reason why I don't read really long thesis posts. Home OP tackles whatever issue it may be.
    Yeah...I thought my coils were going out on my way to work one day...luckily I work next door to an Audi dealership and was able to pick up new ones.

    I don't blame you on reading a long posts though...

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    Yeah Audi has tested out my coils and plugs a couple of times with genuine Audi parts. Both have determined that there is not a problem at all with my coils from AutoZone and have reinstalled them.

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    Yeah Audi has been running all of those tests and does not seem to be able to locate the vacuum leak. I was all in there late last night looking for anything, I can clearly hear a whistle and then it stops and I just hear air blowing. It's on the passenger side can't figure out what else besides the valve cover could possibly leak.

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    Man yeah I thought that maybe Audi would do a smoke test to locate this vacuum leak, maybe they didn't and that is why they cannot find it. I'll try to read up on the smoke test DIY. I really need a vacuum diagram. Does anyone have that for this model?

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    Sorry about the long post...didn't realize it was that long. I was trying to make sure that I provided enough information for you guru's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tshon2 View Post
    Man yeah I thought that maybe Audi would do a smoke test to locate this vacuum leak, maybe they didn't and that is why they cannot find it. I'll try to read up on the smoke test DIY. I really need a vacuum diagram. Does anyone have that for this model?
    You have one on the sticker inside your hood if it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tshon2 View Post
    Yeah Audi has tested out my coils and plugs a couple of times with genuine Audi parts. Both have determined that there is not a problem at all with my coils from AutoZone and have reinstalled them.
    I have a feeling that the culprit to all this is just a simple part, a needle in the haystack sort of thing.

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    Yeah I'm hoping it's something real simple. I will try to take a look at the diagram inside my hood, didn't realize that there is one there. About to go look shortly.

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    I could not find a diagram inside my hood. unless it's under the sound proofing. Any other thoughts?

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    Ok so I see these two items and I'm wondering could either be possibilities. The vacuum leak seems to be coming from the passenger side, o I followed one of the pipes to this tube crossing the PCV to Manifold hose.




    and the other is





    I'm hoping that the pics will show now.
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    Yes the pics are from others posts on this site, but they are the exact parts I'm looking at right now as possible culprits. Wondering if they could possibly be apart of this hold vacuum system.

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    You should probably scan for codes even if the CEL is not illuminated on the dash. The ECU could store soft codes. I did not see crank position sensor on the list and it could be intermittently going out, even though some here might disagree. I have had two go out on my B7. One completely died and the engine would crank but not start. The second, was intermittently failing and the engine had a rough idle, loss of power and a vacuum leak like symptom. It felt like a mix between a blown coil pack and a busted PCV but the CEL was solid and not flashing. You can probably test the CPS by tuning the ignition to on (do not start engine) and jiggle the wire connected to the CPS. It is located by the oil filter housing from above. Listen for any clicking noises. If there is, then the wire connection is bad and if not, the sensor itself could be faulty.
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    just throwing this out there .. said you changed your cam follower ..... 30,000 miles ago and it fixed it .. have you checked it since ? admittedly i did not read through the entire thread .
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    Yes they have rechecked the HPFP and cam follower. CEL is solid, Audi keeps clearing it to see if it will come back and it does. I will try to look for the CPS so thanks for that tidbit. Anyone know if the two items i circled could cause any vacuum issues if faulty? I don't really know what they do so not sure if they are part of the vacuum system.

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    Well one item is the fuel line, and the second item is the rear pcv. It redirects blow-by gasses from the main pcv valve to the circled item, and it goes into the turbo intake when under boost. There is a check valve in that corrugated metal pipe which prevents the crankcase from building boost. If that pipe is broken or something, which is very rare, it will create an air leak as well. Im thinking it has something to do on the driver side of the engine. Instead of looking for possible solutions, save yourself the headache of trying random things and first, scan for codes with vcds, do a boost leak test, and check for spark with a test light if it is misfiring after checking codes. The vcds scan tool will tell you everything even if the car is in a lean condition, rich, or misfiring.

    Only the best mechanics can diagnose vehicles in a timely manner, the rest just point and shoot, drawing you into an endless moneypit until they say they cant fix your vehicle.

    I saw you mention that your dipstick tube was broken. If this has not been fixed, it will cause rough idle and possible a no start condition. Try unplugging your maf sensor the next time you cant start the car. It will revert the ecu to the default trim values and run even if there is a huge vac leak.

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    2008 audi a4 B7 2.0T ruff idle and stalling, replaced everything (list provided)

    The 2.0t has a very limited vacuum system I highly doubt it's a vacuum leak as there really aren't any vacuum lines that vent directly to the crankcase.

    Since we're playing parts darts maybe you should try replacing the fuel pump controller. 99% chance that wasn't replaced when they replaced the pump.

    What about the fuel filter?

    Also, sorry but nobody is going to find our injectors for $50 each. I would be shocked if a mechanic said he could replace them for $50 each since they're roughly $100 each just for parts. Maaaaaybe the seals but even then I doubt he knew what those were or how to do them if he wasn't familiar with FSI motors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    The 2.0t has a very limited vacuum system I highly doubt it's a vacuum leak as there really aren't any vacuum lines that vent directly to the crankcase.

    Since we're playing parts darts maybe you should try replacing the fuel pump controller. 99% chance that wasn't replaced when they replaced the pump.

    What about the fuel filter?

    Also, sorry but nobody is going to find our injectors for $50 each. I would be shocked if a mechanic said he could replace them for $50 each since they're roughly $100 each just for parts. Maaaaaybe the seals but even then I doubt he knew what those were or how to do them if he wasn't familiar with FSI motors...
    Well, I'll agree on one thing with you is that the b7 vacuum system is very limited, but you can still have vac leaks, faulty pcv valve, broken valve cover, bad valve cover seal, cracked pcv hose, loose engine oil dipstick, the list goes on can all lead to rough idle.
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    Most of that stuff I would classify as pcv stuff though. But technically they hold in the crankcase vacuum so I suppose I'll allow it... [:-)]
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    No the dip stuck was broken so I replaced that. I have taken it back to audi and they are scratching their heads. Im pulling out hairs here also. Wondering if there is a second pump on the passenger side. Yes they have been reading the codes like crazy but nothing has pointed out the issue

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    No i purchased the injectors and stuff myself they installed them, so sorry if that was confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tshon2 View Post
    No i purchased the injectors and stuff myself they installed them, so sorry if that was confusing.
    Too bad you don't have access to a VCDS scan tool. I would log your car to see what part of ecu measuring blocks look abnormal.
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    Did you ever get a n EPC light with the check engine light? I had similar symptoms and it was an easy fix by replacing the 614 relays under your ecu. Mine had gotten wet and corroded.

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    I'm experiencing similar issues with my 06. Do you get rough idle and stalls every time you start?

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    Scan for codes. Had the same issue, 02 sensor was failing. Replace and it was fixed.

    By the way, on a side but related note, I resisted paying for the Rosstech cable because of the cost and was using a fleabay cheapy, bad move. The cheapy gave eroneous codes. With the Rosstech, i was able to clear all codes easy, then actually find out what was wrong rather than wasting money on 100 parts.
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    Sorry no i did not, just the CEL and rough idle with stalls.

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    Yes I get it all the time from start. When this first started though I was only experiencing stalls, that's when I knew I had a problem, since then it's gotten worse with the shaking at idle.

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    I spoke with them regarding the o2 sensors but they keep telling me it's not it. Audi engineers are working on this pretty hard at this point, I'm grateful I'm completely out of ideas. But they can't seem to figure it out. Today I called and they were checking the crankcase...I assume they maybe looking at the crankcase and the crankcase breather hose. Hoping for a positive outcome.

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    How long before you came up with the 02 sensor? Did you go through parts like crazy? I don't know how they are eliminating the 02 sensor or the crankcase breather hose, without replacing them.

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    let us know how you go, I'm still having issues that point to the lpfp
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    with all the discussion of cleaning the intake and intake valves I have been reading one of the first signs is rough idle. Have you looked into this and having your car de-coked ?
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