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    Free APR DSG Update: Now with More Clutch Clamping Pressure!

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    Version 2.0.1 is now available for the DQ250 DSG/S Tronic transmission found on the MK7 Golf R / S3 and similar vehicles. The update is free for existing APR TCU Upgrade customers and offers a substantial update to the existing product.

    APR’s calibration experts have recalibrated the transmission to continue increasing clutch clamping pressure when clutch slip is detected. The transmission is now capable of holding higher torque levels, and the changes result in faster acceleration thanks to quicker shifts, faster clutch engagement during take off, and stronger launch control launches. The transmission remains more consistent during back-to-back testing, with healthy, properly-lubricated transmissions no longer suffering from overheat warnings with seemingly little effort to produce them. Finally, following customer feedback, part throttle shift maps have been further optimized to prevent some TCUs from continuing to race to 6th gear, or toggling back and forth between 5th and 6th.

    This update is available worldwide, and currently is designed for IS38 equipped vehicles, such as the AWD Golf R and S3. Other platform vehicles, such as the MK7 GTI and A3, will receive a similar update and announcement shortly.

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    Faster Acceleration
    Increased clamping pressure, optimized shift points, and better launch control all result in faster acceleration.

    Quicker Shifts
    Increased clamping pressure and optimized shift times results in a faster shift under various scenarios.

    Optimized Shift Points
    Drive mode is optimized for fuel economy while sport mode is optimized for faster acceleration with APR’s various hardware and software upgrades.

    Increased Clutch Clamping Pressure
    Increased clutch clamping pressure beyond factory torque levels to support higher output.

    Smoother Daily Driving
    Optimized part throttle / daily driving shift maps to provide a smoother and more enjoyable driving experience.

    User Definable 3-step Launch Control
    Launch control is enabled on all models featuring a traction control button. Three user defined launch control RPMs are set at the time of install. Launch control response is also optimized for faster engagement and stronger take-off.

    User Definable Manual Mode
    The automatic manual mode upshift and kick-down switch downshift can be enabled or disabled at the time of install.

    Quicker Paddle Response
    The time between clicking the paddle and the shift executing has been optimized.

    Raised Torque Limiters
    Non-physical transmission torque limits are raised to allow for higher output while retaining critical protection limits.

    Downshift Lockout Optimized
    Manual downshifts are permissible in all gears so long as the next gear is below redline.

    Temperature Management Optimized
    Allows for limited torque during over-temp conditions vs total immovability.

    Gear Display Activated
    Shows the current gear in the factory multi functional display in both drive and sport mode.

    DirectPort Programming
    The TCU Upgrade installs in minutes without opening the TCU and can be uninstalled at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post

    APR’s calibration experts have recalibrated the transmission to continue increasing clutch clamping pressure when clutch slip is detected. The transmission is now capable of holding higher torque levels, and the changes result in faster acceleration thanks to quicker shifts, faster clutch engagement during take off, and stronger launch control launches. The transmission remains more consistent during back-to-back testing, with healthy, properly-lubricated transmissions no longer suffering from overheat warnings with seemingly little effort to produce them. Finally, following customer feedback, part throttle shift maps have been further optimized to prevent some TCUs from continuing to race to 6th gear, or toggling back and forth between 5th and 6th.
    So one assumes for ver.1 the 'calibration experts' were on vacation and clutch slip is no longer a desired feature list on the beta release?
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    Free... lol. You fail to mention it costs anywhere from 100-200$ for the tuners time to re-flash the car. What a scam

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    Quote Originally Posted by markn1689 View Post
    Free... lol. You fail to mention it costs anywhere from 100-200$ for the tuners time to re-flash the car. What a scam
    From APR's perspective it is free. Iterations/versioning is all a part of tuning. Users shouldn't be surprised when a new version is released, they should expect it. In addition, people who buy APR software should know full-well that they will likely have to pay a shop each time they want to flash their vehicle. APR has always followed that model so people really don't have any right to complain. If you don't like the pay-to-flash model then go with Unitronic or Eurodyne, no one forced anyone to buy APR.

    Now all that being said, there is a difference between a new version that improves upon the previous version, and a new version that fixes an old version with a handful of issues. If I had the previous version of this tune, and was experiencing issues like people have discussed in other threads, I would not be thrilled about paying to upgrade to the new version. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, one should have the option to "upgrade" to a new version, not be forced to because the current version isn't working as expected or as advertised.

    APR may have dropped the ball a bit this time, but they have been in the tuning game for quite some time so I expect that they will get back on track and do right by their customers.
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    LC problems with APR. Fixed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner_oz View Post
    [ Clamping pressure feature question ]
    Increased clamping pressure above the factory limits is a newly added, and uncommon feature. It was not avaialble in previous versions.

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    [ Cost question ]
    We do not charge for the update. It's free.

    Your dealer may charge labor. Free free to call them and ask.

    Your state may charge tax on the labor. Free to call them and ask.

    To calculate potential milage costs on the car, please visit our dealer locator to get directions to their location for a mileage estimate: www.goapr.com/dealer/

    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner_oz View Post
    [ LC question ]
    LC launches hard. However, haldex front wheel spin hasn't changed. To have all 4 spinning on a launch, you need haldex software. I'm not aware of any on the market at the moment.
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    Unitronic does not charge for updates. You just download the software and flash the car in the comfort of your garage. Welcome to 2016.

    United Motorsports has a haldex tune available. Don't get any bright ideas though

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    Quote Originally Posted by markn1689 View Post
    Unitronic does not charge for updates. You just download the software and flash the car in the comfort of your garage. Welcome to 2016.

    United Motorsports has a haldex tune available. Don't get any bright ideas though
    APR stated they do not charge for updates. Local shops do, if you or anyone has an issue with that. You should speak to them about it. If you are using a tune that is not DIY you are already aware you would need to stop in to get any updates or flash back to stock. You can say its 2016 all you want but there are not that many aftermarket ECU tuners that offer DIY kits. Again for those who opt to get a tune that requires you to go to a shop. You already know you will have to drive there, use gas, pay the shop for there time. If you don't understand that. You shouldn't get tuned or buy a DIY option. The senseless complaining is really getting no where.

    Also UM's Haldex tune has not been tested on the MQB format
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadbolt View Post
    APR stated they do not charge for updates. Local shops do, if you or anyone has an issue with that. You should speak to them about it. If you are using a tune that is not DIY you are already aware you would need to stop in to get any updates or flash back to stock. You can say its 2016 all you want but there are not that many aftermarket ECU tuners that offer DIY kits. Again for those who opt to get a tune that requires you to go to a shop. You already know you will have to drive there, use gas, pay the shop for there time. If you don't understand that. You shouldn't get tuned or buy a DIY option. The senseless complaining is really getting no where.

    Also UM's Haldex tune has not been tested on the MQB format
    I disagree.

    APR screwed up the first DSG versions and now they expect owners to go back to their tuner shop and waste time and $ to get the correct install? Absolute joke! For me that means 2 hours only during work hours and $150. APR should cover the tuner shop cost to fix what is essentially an APR stuff up. Saying it is free is misleading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner_oz View Post
    I disagree.

    APR screwed up the first DSG versions and now they expect owners to go back to their tuner shop and waste time and $ to get the correct install? Absolute joke! For me that means 2 hours only during work hours and $150. APR should cover the tuner shop cost to fix what is essentially an APR stuff up. Saying it is free is misleading.
    Roadrunner I will agree with you in the sense that if there was something wrong with the initial tune you received you shouldn't have to pay anything more. If APR is offering the free update and your shop is still charging you for labor. Its your shop that should work with you in avoid additional fees especially if they were aware of the issues you had or you should have your shop talk to APR about covering the cost of the labor since it wasn't your fault, the fault of the shop and the problem only lays on APR end. If a shop wants to charge you APR cannot do anything about that. They are just providing the product and your shop is providing the service. Also remember people have been going back to shops for years to get flashed, updates and flashed back to stock for years.

    I can empathize with you that APR or any other tuner should be providing a properly working tune. I know someone who has a 2015 A3 1.8t with APR Stage 1 and they are not really providing him with any assistance since they are so ramped up on the 2.0T MQB's. I personally never had a bad experience with APR but I also never used their DSG tune. Ultimately roadrunner you have moved onto something you feel is better then what you had. It just sucks it had to end this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadbolt View Post
    Roadrunner I will agree with you in the sense that if there was something wrong with the initial tune you received you shouldn't have to pay anything more. If APR is offering the free update and your shop is still charging you for labor. Its your shop that should work with you in avoid additional fees especially if they were aware of the issues you had or you should have your shop talk to APR about covering the cost of the labor since it wasn't your fault, the fault of the shop and the problem only lays on APR end. If a shop wants to charge you APR cannot do anything about that. They are just providing the product and your shop is providing the service. Also remember people have been going back to shops for years to get flashed, updates and flashed back to stock for years.

    I can empathize with you that APR or any other tuner should be providing a properly working tune. I know someone who has a 2015 A3 1.8t with APR Stage 1 and they are not really providing him with any assistance since they are so ramped up on the 2.0T MQB's. I personally never had a bad experience with APR but I also never used their DSG tune. Ultimately roadrunner you have moved onto something you feel is better then what you had. It just sucks it had to end this way.
    I would have switched to UniTronic anyway as hated not being able to flash my own car, that was always my primary reason. Speaking with another Oz APR DSG owner with the new version and he states the are still some annoyances in Ver 2. Waiting to hear back on specifics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner_oz View Post
    For me that means 2 hours only during work hours and $150.
    @roadrunner_oz what you need to go through to get reflashed in Australia really sucks. For me, over here in CA, an APR dealer is 15 minutes away from my office, I go there during my lunch break, and they don't charge to reflash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will13k7 View Post
    @roadrunner_oz what you need to go through to get reflashed in Australia really sucks. For me, over here in CA, an APR dealer is 15 minutes away from my office, I go there during my lunch break, and they don't charge to reflash.
    Agreed, works well for you. However APR Australia is dismal and a rip off. They charge $1300US for S1 ECU and $1200US for DSG. Their basis for such inflated pricing is that they test and customise the tunes, which has been exposed as being absolute BS. APR US should take the agency away from them. Anyhow enough on the subject :)
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    I've driven and ridden in cars with this file. It works and that's all there is to it. (Okay there is a lot more to it :p) Stage 2 and future stage 3 cars are going to love (need) this update.

    Thanks guys! For local to CT customers we are available from 9am to 6pm Monday through Friday for this update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will13k7 View Post
    @roadrunner_oz what you need to go through to get reflashed in Australia really sucks. For me, over here in CA, an APR dealer is 15 minutes away from my office, I go there during my lunch break, and they don't charge to reflash.
    Literally just did this same thing on my lunch break today, shop is 10 minutes from my office and they don't charge labor for the updates. Oz, I agree with you that the process in Australia sucks.

    That said, holy cow on the 2.0.1 TCU update. Pickup from a dig and low speed rolling scenarios where you quickly dive into the throttle is much better. The increased clamping pressure is immediately noticeable in the areas I was hoping it would be. She goes to the track next Friday the 11th to see what she can run, will post up vids/results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurrayFive View Post
    Literally just did this same thing on my lunch break today, shop is 10 minutes from my office and they don't charge labor for the updates. Oz, I agree with you that the process in Australia sucks.

    That said, holy cow on the 2.0.1 TCU update. Pickup from a dig and low speed rolling scenarios where you quickly dive into the throttle is much better. The increased clamping pressure is immediately noticeable in the areas I was hoping it would be. She goes to the track next Friday the 11th to see what she can run, will post up vids/results.
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    Just as a teaser, ran out tonight and snapped a quick phone-quality launch control run on my favorite deserted 3 mile stretch of private road leading directly to a certain automotive companies desert proving grounds...sorry for the quality, don't have the GoPro till track day.

    iMovie shows ~9.4 seconds 0-100MPH...this wasn't even the best run but it got too out of focus in the others Hopefully will crack off any number starting with 11 come track day next week!

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    Not everyone seems to like it....after 5 flashes this guy is dumping the latest ver 2.0.1....http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post93971001
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner_oz View Post
    Not everyone seems to like it....after 5 flashes this guy is dumping the latest ver 2.0.1....http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post93971001
    Could be a box code thing (many different box codes per model, the S3 has at least 4), could be driver error; I've got literally none of those symptoms (video as proof), seems kind of irrelevant and petty to bash a vendor post for a product based on what someone else is saying in another forum...

    That said, before the update, my biggest gripe was the bouncing between gears in S dependent on speed...that's completely alleviated. In addition, a few times when I'd punch the throttle at low rolling speed or from take off, the car felt kinda "meehhhh" until the shift to the next gear, then it took off. To me this felt like clutch slip or power bleed off by the DSG to prevent slip...after this update that is totally gone. It makes the car feel significantly quicker. I'm assuming that's the clamping pressure increase at work, could be overall improvements to the tune based on feedback though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurrayFive View Post
    Could be a box code thing (many different box codes per model, the S3 has at least 4), could be driver error; I've got literally none of those symptoms (video as proof), seems kind of irrelevant and petty to bash a vendor post for a product based on what someone else is saying in another forum...

    That said, before the update, my biggest gripe was the bouncing between gears in S dependent on speed...that's completely alleviated. In addition, a few times when I'd punch the throttle at low rolling speed or from take off, the car felt kinda "meehhhh" until the shift to the next gear, then it took off. To me this felt like clutch slip or power bleed off by the DSG to prevent slip...after this update that is totally gone. It makes the car feel significantly quicker. I'm assuming that's the clamping pressure increase at work, could be overall improvements to the tune based on feedback though.
    No bashing, just highlighting that there are still problems. As he states his launch problems were AFTER installing the APR DSG tune and ok after removing it. This guy seems a fan of their ECU tunes, as am I, but they have lots of work to do on getting the bugs out of their DSG software.
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    So far so good for me, the shifts are faster/crisper/meaner. I think it would scare the timid, especially paired with Stage2! lol.

    D-mode is more useable, I've been staying out of manual more often lately, it finally shifts down right-away when you want it to versus stock where it holds on to the gear too long and lugs the engine. It's basically more responsive to your acceleration needs now!

    S-mode is better but still isn't that great IMO, with half throttle it will hold 2nd gear to redline. I think it would be better to hold 2nd gear until around 4K rpms when your input is 1/2 throttle. It should only redline with WOT IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will13k7 View Post
    So far so good for me, the shifts are faster/crisper/meaner. I think it would scare the timid, especially paired with Stage2! lol.

    D-mode is more useable, I've been staying out of manual more often lately, it finally shifts down right-away when you want it to versus stock where it holds on to the gear too long and lugs the engine. It's basically more responsive to your acceleration needs now!

    S-mode is better but still isn't that great IMO, with half throttle it will hold 2nd gear to redline. I think it would be better to hold 2nd gear until around 4K rpms when your input is 1/2 throttle. It should only redline with WOT IMHO.
    Yes, the biggest difference that I noticed with the UniTronic tune is that it adapts immediately to driving style and throttle input. S mode will be quiet sedat if you drive sedately, but a heavy right foot changes all that very quickly. Clever stuff!
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    It's in bad taste to continue diverting the conversation to other vendors besides the OP, and you're not really adding anything to the conversation. You've said your part, we all get it. It's time to sit back as more reports roll in about APR's update and gather feedback and viewpoints from a larger sample than just one person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj6 View Post
    It's in bad taste to continue diverting the conversation to other vendors besides the OP, and you're not really adding anything to the conversation. You've said your part, we all get it. It's time to sit back as more reports roll in about APR's update and gather feedback and viewpoints from a larger sample than just one person.
    Bad taste to compare and share? Sorry, but I believe it is important to compare and share findings so as others can base their decisions on it. If vendors want to post, then accept the follow-on.
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    There just seems to be a conspicuously large investment by you in sharing and comparing findings. That's cool in and of itself, but in the last few posts will13k7 posted his very positive findings with the APR software upgrade and you immediately fired back with another unsolicited plug for Unitronic. See how that seems strange?

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    UNTRONIC PLUGIN ALERT!

    I received my Uniconnect+ today only to find out I cannot use there DSG tune because they do not have the TCU revision my car uses. Now I have to go out of my way to get a harness cable connected to have the TCU read and sent over and wait a minimum of 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadbolt View Post
    UNTRONIC PLUGIN ALERT!

    I received my Uniconnect+ today only to find out I cannot use there DSG tune because they do not have the TCU revision my car uses. Now I have to go out of my way to get a harness cable connected to have the TCU read and sent over and wait a minimum of 2 weeks.

    lmao
    Says to check DSG box codes before you buy (see FAQ's on website). All tuners have the same problem if it is a box code they haven't tuned before. Happened with my APR DSG too, but that was only a couple of days. How new is your car?

    Unitronic ALWAYS recommends to check Performance Software availability for your ECU Box Code, if possible, to ensure Performance Software is available for your ECU to avoid any inconvienence or delays. In the event that Performance Software is not available, Unitronic will always work to make it available for supported platforms as quickly as possible, however, the lead time on such can vary.
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    ECU codes and TCU codes are different. My ECU code is compatible with there ECU software. I picked up the car Sept 2014
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